What is one of your fears that no matter how much you ignore it, keeps coming back to haunt you? I mean deep-seated potentially pants-shitting fears... irrational or otherwise.
One of mine is that I'll accidentally piss off Harmy, Frink, Adywan, or Team_Negative1 and I'll feel horrendously awkward when I go to enjoy their work...
Doom Trooper said:
What are some sequels and prequels you feel are underrated and either get an undeserved negative reception or not enough recognition or credit? They don't have to be as good or better than the originals, just films you feel deserve a better reputation than what others typically make it out to be.
Bingowings said:
In my opinion ROTJ is very over-rated and largely regarded highly more out of nostalgia than it's qualities as a film (which a not that much better than TPM).
Yes, I know you think this. However, the original post asked for films we thought were underrated, not films we thought surpassed their predecessors. SW'77 is a classic, many outside the SW fan community know mostly the original film and bits and pieces of the others. In my opinion, neither ESB nor ROTJ surpassed SW in quality, story or otherwise. But I do think ROTJ recieves a lot more criticism than it deserves, as the original intent of this thread was to point out.
Make sure you use oven mitts to not burn your hands
ROTJ, Men in Black 3, TOD, Spider-man 3, Iron Man 2, and KOTCS (only a tiny bit, it's only slightly worse than TOD, IMHO)
yoda-sama said:
Did the canonical status of the original Clone Wars series officially get stripped? If so, did it go out the window with the Expanded Universe, or sometime before that (in short, explain this canon purge)? Also, does the CG Clone Wars series ever deal with the events directly leading up to Episode III?
The older series went out with the rest of the EU... and no, unfortunately the new series doesn't deal with the direct tie-in events. The continuity if you were to watch them both actually makes about 90% sense. It goes like this:
AOTC
Genndy series Chapters 1-20
New Series
The rest of Genndy
ROTS
Anyways, someone asked earlier if we could think of another reason for the 4k transfer. Maybe a 4k blu-ray? The 4k thing is catching on pretty quick.
yoda-sama said:
WedgeCyan said:
yoda-sama said:
Which one of these are you talking about as being canon?
The 2008 Clone Wars computer animated series is the one still considered canon. As someone who has watched both series in their entirety... I hate to admit it but the CG series somehow managed to capture more of the OT spirit, with tons of character development, particularly of Obi-Wan and the new character Ahsoka. The Gendy series was just Samurai Jack in space.
As Samurai Jack or Dexter's Lab as it was, the Genndy Tartakovsky version did originally tie in with the movies, quite directly. So, in your opinion, the later CG "reboot" of Clone Wars felt more like what it should have been, so it is "still considered canon" as opposed to the non-canon status you most likely are applying to the original series... That actually defends the position that if something "better" came along with the same names as the movies of the PT, that they could be supplanted. (Again, not my opinion that that would happen, but it is interesting to see it occurring under your noses with a related property.)
I really need to work on getting all my thoughts into my posts. Not saying that because something is better it should replace it. I was merely reflecting that after the canon purge it remained official while the older did not. I personally disregard the notion of 'official' canon... And I just happened to enjoy the newer series quite a bit, for different reasons than I enjoyed the older. And I don't think I could enjoy remakes of the PT... It is no more fair than remakes of the OT, from a purely unbiased standpoint.
yoda-sama said:
Which one of these are you talking about as being canon?
The 2008 Clone Wars computer animated series is the one still considered canon. As someone who has watched both series in their entirety... I hate to admit it but the CG series somehow managed to capture more of the OT spirit, with tons of character development, particularly of Obi-Wan and the new character Ahsoka. The Gendy series was just Samurai Jack in space.
^Truer than true. I should've noted that I hate the idea of jedi vs sith as an eternal struggle. The "sith order" should never have been a thing.
Whenever he was asked if the unaltered versions were coming out, he'd scream "YEEEEEEEEESSSSS!" In some sort of reverse 2011 vader moment.
CO said:
Darth Vader Ghost or The Emperor ghost. I love these 2 bad guys, but lets have a an original bad guy (they can still be a Sith).
I'd like to take this one step further and say I don't want to see the Emperor at all (no clone/resurrection Legends BS) or Darth Vader at all (as the newest rumors claim).
unamochilla2 said:
Any way to tell if the projected video is the SE or the OUT?
Not off of that particular shot.
doubleofive said:
What does "restored" even mean? I doubt they were recreated from scratch using the original elements. They might just be trailers from the blu-ray (were there trailers on the blu-ray?)
No there weren't trailers on the blu-ray complete saga set... and as far as i know the trilogy set didn't have any extras.
However, the Star Wars YT channel has a lot of original movie trailers in (technically) 1080p
So is this release going to have a ton of different audio choices just like the Star Wars Despecialized did? That was just one thing I really loved about that version.
Harmy said:
Well, over-all, I'd say it's good news, because the existing 2004 master was horrible, so even if it was the altered version, which we've now confirmed it almost certainly is, it's still good that there is a new better master. On the other hand, the fact, that they seem to have decided to restore/remaster the altered version doesn't exactly bode well for an official OOT restoration.
I think it does seem pretty likely, that this "restoration" was done in 2012 for the planned 3D release, for which the 2004 1080p master didn't cut it any more, so they hired these guys to do the 2004/2011 version over from new 4K scans.
Well, I guess it's time for me to go back and lurk in that old abandoned ghost town called "Star Wars Preservation and other Fan Projects." I can't think of a better expert than Harmy when it comes to what version is which.
gizzy2000 said:
I also went back to page 2 of this thread and looked at the lightsaber flash comparisons and you can tell that (other than color) the flashes are identical to the blu ray and not the GOUT. The only possibility is that they color corrected the blu ray and edited out SE changes and re-added the real scenes, which honestly, I could live with, if they do it right
I think this is a more a result of the highly flawed transfer of the GOUT... the contrast and colors were all mucked up iirc
While it's true there's no real way to know, didn't this all start with someone's resume who said a restoration was completed during his tenure? If that's true, the footage in the demo reel should be "finished" at least to the point that someone could say they were completed.
Remember the escape pod door... it's blue on the demo reels... grey on bd. Methinks this dcp is unrelated
Han shoots second? That's funny... I thought they only watched the first twenty minutes...