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#198683
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Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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Originally posted by: Jagdlieter

We cannot see air but is is there! We cannot see an end to violence but maybe IT IS THERE!!!


and maybe it is not. Do you agree with even that? You know its one thing to go after Bush for sending our troops to war, but it is another thing to call them murderers. That really offends me. I wonder what the friends and family members of the soldiers that have died in war would have to say to you about that.
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#198673
Topic
Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198673/action/topic#198673
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Jag, a man breaks into your house and points a gun at a family member and says he is going to kill that family member, what are you going to do. True, you could try to talk him out of it, he may only be bluffing, but what if he isn't? what if you try talking to him and you fail and he shoots and kills your family member?


Lets take this further, what if after shooting and killing your family member, he escapes. Do you or do not want the police to go after him. Do want him to just walk around free for the rest of his life and never be punished for what he did? What if the police find him and he refuses to surrender without a fight. Should they let him go or use violence to take him into custody?


As for war. As I said before, unless you wish to be ruled by the likes of Hitler, war is somtimes necessary. Or are you going tell me that a man who kills 6 million Jews because he hates Jewish people shouldn't be stopped?

You're right when you say if both sides put their guns down, there would be no war. But, put yourself in the soldiers position, soldiers from the enemy country are charging at you and your comrades, are you going to bet your life, the lives of your fellow soldiers, your country, and your family that if you put your gun down, the enemy will too?

Nonviolence works if both sides agree to solve their problems nonviolently. But if only one side chooses nonviolence, the side that chooses violence will win. So unless you like to lose, you will have to choose violence.


And are you willing to give up to avoid violence? Your life? Your rights? Your way of life? Your religious beliefs? Your freedom? If the choice is to give up the things that I have meantioned or resort to violence what do you do? At what price nonviolence Jag?
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#198574
Topic
Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198574/action/topic#198574
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Originally posted by: Jagdlieter
What is your opinion...?


**Do you believe violence, more specifically murder, can be justified? Why or why not?


**Or do you believe that violence is never justifiable?


Let the debating begin!!!

unfortunatly yes.

Unless you what murderers, rapists, and thefts to walk freely about and go unpunished which is what would happen if we were unwilling to use violence to stop them.

Unless you would like to be ruled by the likes of Sadam, Hitler and Bin Laden then yes.

Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
As we look at history, the dropping of the bomb on Hiroshima remains justified, as the massive death was still paltry compared to the amount of death that would have been caused by a protracted invasion of Japan. Sometimes violence is supported by bean counting. Doesn't mean we will rest easy with the thought, and it doesn't mean the afterlife will be any kinder to us for making those kinds of decisions, but this is perhaps the ultimate example that answers the question.


I do not know wheither it is true or not. But many argue that Japan was willing to surrender before the bomb was dropped.

Originally posted by: JediSage
We must maintain the strongest military on the planet (they must train for war, not dig ditches in Lousiana).


are their not enough people in America to do both?
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#198572
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Ask the All-Knowing Jagdlieter
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198572/action/topic#198572
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Originally posted by: Jagdlieter
That's right.....Ask me anything and I shall enlighten thou.

Can you tell me if and when Philadelphia will ever win a championship again?

Are you really all knowing or do just have an inflated opinion of yourself?


Originally posted by: Shimraa
not a question but this is the best place to put it.

your baby gif is awesome jag, hahaha.


I do hope the women not actually kicking a real baby. That would be sick.
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#198571
Topic
The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198571/action/topic#198571
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Originally posted by: Jagdlieter


Why do so many people here hate gays? Or homosexuals if anyone is easily offended.



Where did you get the idea that so many here hate homosexuals? There are many here who consider it sin, but they don't profess to hate them. Atleast I haven't noticed it.

As for sports talk being off topic, it it not off topic so long as it is done within the contents of something with hate. For example I can talk about the cowboys here because I hate them.


I hate the fact that I had a Circuit City gift card I was going to use today. But while I was in the store looking for somthing to buy with the card, I somehow dropped and lost the card. I spent an hour and a half searching every nock and cranny of the store, but could not find it. Customer service of course could not do anything for me. I am sh__ out of luck!

I that Rollins blew his hitting streak.
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#197924
Topic
Superman Movie
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197924/action/topic#197924
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father


http://www.superdickery.com/images/dick/97_4_0000058.jpg

It should be noted that at the time this cover was made, America was at war with Japan. At the time, it was acceptable by Americans to call Japanese "Japs". If would be of course offensive to do so today.

Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Warb, and it annoys the s**t out of me when classic English TV shows and movies etc are reworked for the American market (and believe me, it happens a lot. The new Doctor Who series suffers from this).


what have they done to the New Doctor Series? I have been watching the American version on the Sci Fi channel.


Originally posted by: Nanner Split
I don't think any of those comic covers were from anything after the 70s, remembering that some were anniversary issues

Take another look at the first two pictures I posted.

That's what I was about to say.

Originally posted by: theredbaron


I would be careful about the whole it's-American-made-so-you-don't-have-a-say idea.


perhaps I came on bit too strong here.


Originally posted by: theredbaron
The fact is, America is the only superpower and the dominant source of entertainment media. That is to say that many of America's icons are the world's as well.


Here I will disagree. Just because other countries don't have suffient Icons of their own does not automatically make our Icons, theirs. Please feel free to enjoy our Icons as much as you wish, but they are still ours.


Originally posted by: theredbaron
[ People from all over the world leave their home countries to 'make it big' in their respective arts in the U.S., so to say that Americans are the only ones that have contributed to the Superman mythos (let alone Hollywood, etc.) I think is a bit of a blanket statement.


I agree with you. We should not forget the contrubutions of nonAmericans to the Superman mythos. I apologize if it sounded like I was trying to ignore them.

Originally posted by: Darth Simon


Superman True Brit
http://www.fpigraphics.co.uk/acatalog/product_G8081.jpg
http://www.dailyllama.com/news/2004/images/superman_true_brit.jpg


No thats not true! Thats impossible!!!!!!!!
*runs and hides*
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#197763
Topic
Superman Movie
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197763/action/topic#197763
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Originally posted by: theredbaron

Superman is a Kryptonian, and he fights for humanity.

On this, we agree.

Originally posted by: theredbaron
Look at the first movie, Jor-El didn't send his son to America, he sent his son to Earth; and he didn't send him to help the Americans; he sent him to help humanity. It was by chance that Superman happened to land in Smallville, USA. If he landed in St. Petersburg, he'd be speaking Russian (even though he probably knows Russian anyway) and he'd be fighting for "Equality, Brotherhood, and the Russian Way." Hell, Superman per sé doesn't even live in the U.S.A - his Fortress of Solitude is in the North Pole for crying out loud! All I'm saying is that Superman doesn't suffer for the lack of nationalist rhetoric; rather, it helps put the whole story in its proper perspective.


If a movie were being about a Superhero who lived in Russia, and used the slogan you meantioned, do you think there would be any chance that liberal hollywood would change the slogan so to not offend nonRussians? I think not. Yeah the Fortress is in the North Pole, but that is not because he doesn't consider himself an American. The Fortess is up there because the North Pole is a good hiding spot. As I recall he has an Apartment in New York, and he grew up in KA. That's American enough for me.

Originally posted by: theredbaron

Don't you think all that American Way crap is more at home with the Golden Age Superman? .

Well aparently the creators of the Superman I disagree with you on that because they used the line "American Way" in the movie.

Originally posted by: theredbaron

When was the last time you read the slogan in a Superman comic, and when was the last time you saw him fighting for the 'American Way'?

true.

Originally posted by: theredbaron

If the new Superman movie was emblazoned with 'American Way', it would be received as a Team America minus the heavy satire. That is to say that the whole 'American Way' thing is not so much threatening or offensive to the world as it is just plain cheesy - hard to take seriously.


You may think it is cheesy, others might not. Just remember not to confuse all things Bush, with all things American.

Originally posted by: theredbaron

Nobody wants to think that Superman fights for mom, apple pie, white picket fences and an SUV; not even democracy


againg others might disagree with you. And what is wrong with fighting for mom, apple pie and democracy?

Originally posted by: theredbaron
comics are escapism, and I don't think comic fans place much faith in any of these things (not even American ones) - comic readers are people yearning for real heroes (not as in non-fictional, but genuine) in a world without heroes; real role-models; ones outside and above the spheres of politics, law, society, etc.


You said comics were escapism. I am certain that many comic fans yearn to "escape" into a world where the "American Way" is good and just and worthy for Superman to fight for.

Also I am sure that comic fans would not appreciate someone screwing around with Superman's classic tagline.

Originally posted by: theredbaron

And let's not forget that Perry White's line is as much a throw-away one as anything else.


then throw the line out.

Originally posted by: theredbaron

Perhaps it is weak, and perhaps it is motivated by not wanting to offend people, but if the line wasn't mentioned at all, the movie wouldn't suffer for it, and the spirit of the Superman mythos as a whole would be properly represented. If it was mentioned, however, it would be cringe-worthy to all non-Americans in the way that the Padmé/Anakin love scenes are cringeworthy to Star Wars fans (well, at least the ones that aren't creepy stalker types).


Either have the line in the movie correctly, or remove the whole line, but don't use a p.c. version. As for nonAmericans cringing, too bad. This is an American made movie, about an American Icon. I don't tell other countries how to make movies about their Icons, don't tell us how to make movies about ours.

Tell me, should we go back and cgi out the flag from this picture and instead add the flag of the UN just because it might offend nonAmericans?

http://www.supermancollectors.com/SupermanCR/autocrflag.jpg

Here are a few more pictures that should answer the question as to if Superman is an American or not:

http://www.supermancollectors.com/americanway/aos600sm.jpg http://www.supermancollectors.com/chronicles/sm178.jpg http://www.supermancollectors.com/americanway/supergirlgbasm.jpg http://www.supermancollectors.com/americanway/benefitpostersm.jpg

http://www.supermancollectors.com/americanway/flyingsupermanimagesm.jpg http://www.supermancollectors.com/americanway/patriotsup1.jpg http://www.supermancollectors.com/americanway/Godblessamericanhtroyersm.jpg http://www.supermancollectors.com/americanway/reeveflagsm.jpg

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#197720
Topic
Superman Movie
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197720/action/topic#197720
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There will be subtle deviations from tradition. The slogan "Truth, Justice and the American Way" won't be heard; instead, newspaper editor Perry White says "Truth, justice, all that stuff." It's a nuance that could help bolster international appeal, at a time when the image of the United States is not exactly at its zenith.


I know I'm going to get blasted, but I'm am American and changing to line to "Truth, justice and that stuff" is political correct bs. Superman may not have said the line in Superman II, but he did say it in Superman I. Superman is an American so he should fight for the American Way(and I don't mean Bushes way), and we as truth and Justice. It is a classic line and should not be altered just try to avoid offending nonAmericans. If they get offended, too bad. The movie should make the studios more than enough $$$ in US alone without worrying about pandering to the rest of the world. And if your worring about offending people, what about the Americans you'll be offending by taking out the line?