Warbler

RicOlie_2 said:

Warbler said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Warbler said:

RicOlie_2 said:

“To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant”
-John Henry Cardinal Newman

Somehow I doubt that.

Historically speaking, the Church has always been pretty Catholic, and the Protestant Reformation was revisionist, not based on any solid historical grounds. Sola scriptura is an entirely Protestant invention, for instance, and has no basis in either history or Scripture. There is no historical justification for much Protestant doctrine.

Scripture existed before the Pope. When someone asks you for proof of the Pope’s authority, what do you do? You show him scripture.

My beliefs aren’t based on historical justification, they are based on faith.

Most of Scripture (the Old Testament) existed before the first pope, but the entire New Testament was written during or after the life of the first pope, St. Peter. Other books of the New Testament were written during or after the reigns of Pope St. Linus, Pope St. Anacletus, and Pope St. Clement I. (As a side note: the Scriptural argument for papal authority doesn’t come entirely from the fact that it’s Scripture. It also comes from the fact that Christ himself said that Peter would be the rock upon which the Church would be built. Meaning that the institution of the papacy occurred before Jesus’ ascension.)

And how do you prove that Christ said that? You turn to scripture.

More importantly, however, the canon of Scripture wasn’t defined until the 300s in the Councils of Hippo and Carthage. The Catholic Church determined which books are in your Bible. So if you reject the authority of the Catholic Church, you are basically saying that there is no basis for you having the Bible that you do. There is nowhere in the Bible where it says what books should be in it. There is nowhere in the Bible where it says that the Bible is the only source of authority. Your faith is based on the authority of the Bible, which can only be justified if you accept the authority of the Catholic Church at the time the canon of the Bible was established.

No, I accept that that God guided these councils to form the Bible as he intended. That is quite different than accepting the authority of the Catholic Church. Also keep in mind that the Catholic Bible has books the Protestant Bible does not have.

But you have to admit the Catholic Church has changed a lot since the Middle Ages. If it were still the same as it was, Pope Francis would endorse burning me at the stake.

Just one problem: it’s 2018.

John_ said:

Hi! Longtime lurker and fellow Star Wars fan here. Looking forward to chatting and making friends with like-minded folks!

Hello 😃

I have been wanting the ability to create polls Is this feature by any chance in the works?

What about the ignore function? I would like to see that returned. Any chance of that happening?

Warbler said:

Tell me, if someone were to say to you that abortion is not a huge and controversial issue, would you waste time trying to convince the guy that he was wrong?

Ok, I am going to re-word this to make crystal clear what I meant here.

Tell me, if someone were to say to you that 1 + 1 does not equal 2, would you waste time trying to convince the guy that he was wrong?

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler: Why is illegal immigration a problem?

Mrebo said:

Illegal immigration is a threat to our security because we don’t know who is coming in, the overall impact on our economy is arguable but there is some negative impact, illegal immigration results in a permanent second-class status for millions of people, crimes go unreported out of fear, gangs like MS13 profit from it, it is unfair to those who follow the law to become citizens, among other reasons.

Okay, I misread the post.

With that said, I give up.

You said that you don’t think abortion is a huge and controversial issue.

Except the threads weren’t divided into random/non-random threads or higher drama/non-higher drama threads.

Ok, why did we need to divide off topic into yet another section???

Oh. My. God.

Ha ha.

Tell me, if someone were to say to you that abortion is not a huge and controversial issue, would you waste time trying to convince the guy that he was wrong?

ChainsawAsh said:

I love how after multiple requests from multiple different people for someone to explain why illegal immigration is a problem, there’s been no response other than what boils down to “because it is one.”

So I guess I’ve seeing and hearing things when I’ve been watching,listening to, and reading the news for years. Ok.

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Why even post in this thread if you’re incapable of having an argument on something?

unwilling is different than incapable.

True. It’s even worse.

It depends on the circumstances.

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m glad to see you haven’t changed.

I don’t think I needed to change.

Why even post in this thread if you’re incapable of having an argument on something?

unwilling is different than incapable.

moviefreakedmind said:

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TV’s Frink said:

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moviefreakedmind said:

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Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.

People talk about all sorts of things that aren’t true.

Not like they do with illegal immigration.

Like I said, the right-wing blows it out of proportion to rally nationalists and xenophobes. Statistically illegal immigration actually went down under Obama. It isn’t a problem and both parties are very harsh in their treatment of illegal immigrants. The right-wing makes it a problem.

If it makes you happy to deny that illegal immigration is a major problem, continue to do so.

How is it a major problem? In what ways is our country being held back by illegal immigration?

EDIT: And what a ridiculous statement. Why would it make me happy to “deny” that illegal immigration is a major problem and why would I want to deny something just because it makes me happy? I’m not that much of a simpleton.

Fine, I will make it more: I am not going to argue this with you.

You’re going to call me drunk for saying something perfectly reasonable and then refuse to explain yourself?

fixed and yep.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Borders aren’t real.

Countries have borders. Deal with it.

If you owned a house, I am sure you would think you had the right to say who could and could step on your property. Property lines are just as real as borders.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.

People talk about all sorts of things that aren’t true.

Not like they do with illegal immigration.

Like I said, the right-wing blows it out of proportion to rally nationalists and xenophobes. Statistically illegal immigration actually went down under Obama. It isn’t a problem and both parties are very harsh in their treatment of illegal immigrants. The right-wing makes it a problem.

If it makes you happy to deny that illegal immigration is a major problem, continue to do so.

How is it a major problem? In what ways is our country being held back by illegal immigration?

EDIT: And what a ridiculous statement. Why would it make me happy to “deny” that illegal immigration is a major problem and why would I want to deny something just because it makes me happy? I’m not that much of a simpleton.

Fine, I will make it more clear: I am not going to argue this with you.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.

People talk about all sorts of things that aren’t true.

Not like they do with illegal immigration.

Like I said, the right-wing blows it out of proportion to rally nationalists and xenophobes. Statistically illegal immigration actually went down under Obama. It isn’t a problem and both parties are very harsh in their treatment of illegal immigrants. The right-wing makes it a problem.

If it makes you happy to deny that illegal immigration is a major problem, continue to do so.

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t know what that means.

Oh well.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.

People talk about all sorts of things that aren’t true.

Not like they do with illegal immigration.

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

In book I’ve been reading, this guy’s work translating the bible (really he oversaw the work) is discussed. Pretty interesting the interpretations we accept as legitimate.

The problem with Thought for Thought translation is are you translating the text means or what you think the text means.

The problem with word for word translation is that not all language has the same vocabulary (eg. multiple words for “love”), and it has the potential to not read as easily as it should–like the original writings probably did.

Let me demonstrate the problem with thought for thought. Imagine translating the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution into a foreign language. Imagine how the NRA might do it and compare to how gun control advocates might do it. Imagine how different the 1st part of the amendment “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,” would apply to the 2nd part of the amendment “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” In each of their translations.

Neither would say what the amendment says, they would say what they think it means. Gun Control advocates would write their thought for thought translation as saying that only those in a state militia have the right to keep and bear arms and the NRA would write their thought for thought translation as if the 1st part of the amendment has no bearing on who has the right to keep and bear arms and that everyone has the right to keep and bear arms.

A word for word translation would more likely keep the meaning open and those reading the translation can debate the meaning like we do.

To some degree, there is an advantage to not have to stop and say “So, in other words, what it’s saying is…”. I’m pretty sure the churches Paul wrote letters to didn’t have to do that.

the churches that Paul wrote the letters to spoke the same language Paul did. We don’t. They were also contemporaries of Paul. We are not.

Just to be clear, I am not saying thought for thought translation doesn’t have its place, it does. I just think it would be a mistake to use only a thought for thought translation. I think it is best to compare multiple word for word translations and multiple thought for thought translations. However, I were going to be marooned on a deserted island and could only have one, I would chose a word for word translation.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

The decision to prosecute all who enter illegally is a hard choice. I know it’s easy to think of Trump as a combover twirling villain who enjoys inflicting hardship but illegal immigration has been rampant and unless we are going to do nothing about it, hardships will continue.

This isn’t true. Illegal immigration isn’t a problem now and it hasn’t been in recent memory, if ever.

You’re drunk.

You’re telling me that illegal immigration is a major issue facing the country today?

Yes. I am pretty sure I am not only person that believes that. For something that isn’t a major problem, everyone sure does talk about it a lot.