Warbler

Darth Lucas said:

And now I’m just rambling but technically all agnostics are atheists. As an atheist is simply a person who doesn’t believe in any deities. Well if you are even the most middle of the ground agnostic, as in you don’t really know for sure one way or another, you are still not actively believing in a god, so in a way, all agnostics are atheists, and all atheists are agnostic, because to NOT be agnostic in the sense that Einstein thought of the word, would mean you know everything, which is impossible. So really everyone is agnostic. Even if you believe in God with all your heart, you can’t possibly say you KNOW for sure.

Maybe the notion of being agnostic is really the way people of every faith and non faith come together.

theist: someone who believes in God

agnostic: someone who neither believes in God or the existence of God

Atheist: someone who believes God doesn’t exist

That is how I understand the three to be.

Darth Lucas said:

For instance, saying “string theory is true” is a claim. Saying “string theory isn’t true.” Is not a claim.

actually they are both claims.

oh.

darth_ender said:

Besides, since my brillian thread over here was locked,

actually, I don’t think that thread is locked.

darth_ender said:

Besides, since my brillian thread over here was locked,

hmm, lets test if it really is locked . . .

If you are seeing this, the thread is not locked.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Darth Lucas said:

Possessed said:

Also, you can’t prove there isn’t a God any more than theists can prove that there is one. So “this bickering is pointless.”

Well to be fair, the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim, not the one disputing it.

Therefore, when making a claim that God doesn’t exist, the burden of proof is on the one claiming God doesn’t exist.

Luckily, all I claim is that neither of us knows if God exists.

My proof is your lack of the same. :p

ok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwLWNXFH2rg

*sigh*

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Darth Lucas said:

Possessed said:

Also, you can’t prove there isn’t a God any more than theists can prove that there is one. So “this bickering is pointless.”

Well to be fair, the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim, not the one disputing it.

Therefore, when making a claim that God doesn’t exist, the burden of proof is on the one claiming God doesn’t exist.

Luckily, all I claim is that neither of us knows if God exists.

My proof is your lack of the same. :p

ok.

Darth Lucas said:

Possessed said:

Also, you can’t prove there isn’t a God any more than theists can prove that there is one. So “this bickering is pointless.”

Well to be fair, the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim, not the one disputing it.

Therefore, when making a claim that God doesn’t exist, the burden of proof is on the one claiming God doesn’t exist.

Just wanted to give my thanks and gratitude to those that stormed the beaches at Normandy 72 years today, especially those that never made it off the beaches. The world owes you debt we can’t ever pay.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

I have faith that Christ is real, I don’t have faith in the others you mention. If it seems odd to you, it will have to remain that way.

But the question is why? Why do you believe one thing and not another if there’s no proof for either?

because I have faith in the one thing, but not the others.

That doesn’t answer the question.

It does for me. Sorry, I gave the best answer I could to you. I don’t know what else to say to you.

Darth Lucas said:

But why have faith? I’m not trying to be an ass so I’m sorry if it comes off that way I’m genuinely curious. Why blindly believe something without evidence?

sometimes you believe with the brain, sometimes you believe with the heart.

Is it just because you were raised to believe it’s true. I mean I can make just about any outrageous claim I want to a child, tell them it’s true enough times and they’ll probably believe it.

Why is it a good thing to have faith? If I told you I could fly, you wouldn’t just take me on faith and believe me. You would want me to prove it somehow before you believed it. Why does religion get a pass. You’re clearly an intelligent person, so why put that aside when it comes to Jesus?

This is best only answer I can give you:

ST John 20:24-29

24: But Thomas one of the twelve called Didymus was not with them when Jesus came.

25: The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe .

26: ¶ And after eight days again his disciples were within and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

27: Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28: And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

29: Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they have have not seen, and yet have believed.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

I have faith that Christ is real, I don’t have faith in the others you mention. If it seems odd to you, it will have to remain that way.

But the question is why? Why do you believe one thing and not another if there’s no proof for either?

because I have faith in the one thing, but not the others.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

faith doesn’t require empirical evidence.

Nor do magic tricks.

JEDIT: While I’m at it, neither does Trump.

this doesn’t change the point I was making.

Hey if you want to believe in God, magic, and Trump, that’s your business. :p

having faith in one thing, doesn’t mean you have to have faith in others.

I’m half-kidding. But it is odd to me that people would choose to believe in some things that require no evidence while not believing in other things requiring evidence.

Why don’t you believe in magic? Or ghosts? Or aliens?

(maybe you do, I’m not sure)

I have faith that Christ is real, I don’t have faith in the others you mention. If it seems odd to you, it will have to remain that way.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

faith doesn’t require empirical evidence.

Nor do magic tricks.

JEDIT: While I’m at it, neither does Trump.

this doesn’t change the point I was making.

Hey if you want to believe in God, magic, and Trump, that’s your business. :p

having faith in one thing, doesn’t mean you have to have faith in others.

Lord Haseo said:

I don’t think messages such as kill the infidels or subjugating women should be considered as morals. Just my opinion though.

nor did I.

Lord Haseo said:

Warbler said:

faith doesn’t require empirical evidence.

And that’s exactly why Religion is dying.

if you say so.

Lord Haseo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

By the way, “I don’t believe the Bible because I have morals” is an impscum quality post.

I can’t believe I’m just now seeing this but I said I hate the Bible because I have morals you stupid asshole.

ok, fixed:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

By the way, “I hate the Bible because I have morals” is an impscum quality post.

What would we think of someone that said “I hate the Koran because I have morals”?

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

faith doesn’t require empirical evidence.

Nor do magic tricks.

JEDIT: While I’m at it, neither does Trump.

this doesn’t change the point I was making.

moviefreakedmind said:

By the way, “I don’t believe the Bible because I have morals” is an impscum quality post.

What would we think of someone that said “I don’t believe the Koran because I have morals”?

faith doesn’t require empirical evidence.

*sigh* here we go again.

your ancestors may have fought against and alongside Ferris’ ancestors. His fought for the south.

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m very proud of my family’s military history. I’ve had relatives fight in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, WWI & WWII, the Civil War, the Indian Wars, and the American Revolution. I was never able to join the military.

out of curiosity, which side were your relatives on during the Civil War?

I tried to change the thread title to remove the word “happy”, but I can see no way to change the thread title. Sorry.

I’ve heard people use the phrase “Happy Memorial Day” all the time. I considered whether it was appropriate or not. Not sure what to think. I’m pretty sure those using the phrase mean no disrespect. I certainly didn’t.