Warbler

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Trump is now President, God help us all.

Is this a good time for me to hope God exists?

sure, why not? At least you’d believe there was someone with the power to stop Trump.

Actually, if he/she/whatever does, I doubt he/she/whatever cares what our stupid country does to itself.

I disagree here. The God I believe in cares about the whole world.

He cares but according to the Bible he isn’t overly compassionate to the unrepentent masses when it comes to political developments.

According to the Bible, he cared enough about them that he sent his son to die for them and gave them a chance at redemption.

why did you pick March 2 as the date his Presidency ends?

America in distress day 1 (don’t worry, I am not going to do a day to day countdown)

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Trump is now President, God help us all.

Is this a good time for me to hope God exists?

sure, why not? At least you’d believe there was someone with the power to stop Trump.

Actually, if he/she/whatever does, I doubt he/she/whatever cares what our stupid country does to itself.

I disagree here. The God I believe in cares about the whole world.

Warbler said:

(I’m bored again)

The Presidents of the United States:

1. George Washington   April 30, 1789 - March 4, 1797
2. John Adams   March 4, 1797 - March 4, 1801
3. Thomas Jefferson   March 4, 1801 - March 4, 1809
4. James Madison   March 4, 1809 - March 4, 1817
5. James Monroe   March 4, 1817 - March 4, 1825
6. John Quincy Adams   March 4, 1825 - March 4, 1829
7. Andrew Jackson   March 4, 1829 - March 4, 1837
8. Martin Van Buren  March 4, 1837 - March 4, 1841
9. William Henry Harrison   March 4, 1841 - April 4, 1841 (died in office)
10. John Tyler   April 4, 1841 - March 4, 1845
11. James K. Polk   March 4, 1845 - March 4, 1849
12. Zachary Taylor   March 4, 1849 - July 9, 1850 (died in office)
13. Millard Fillmore   July 9, 1850 - March 4, 1853
14. Franklin Pierce   March 4, 1853 - March 4, 1857
15. James Buchanan   March 4, 1857 - March 4, 1861
16. Abraham Lincoln   March 4, 1861 - April 15, 1865 (assassinated)
17. Andrew Johnson   April 15, 1865 - March 4, 1869
18. Ulysses S. Grant   March 4, 1869 - March 4, 1877
19. Rutherford B. Hayes   March 4, 1877 - March 4, 1881
20. James A. Garfield   March 4, 1881 - September 19, 1881 (assassinated)
21. Chester A. Arthur   September 19, 1881 - March 4, 1885
22. Grover Cleveland   March 4, 1885 - March 4, 1889
23. Benjamin Harrison   March 4, 1889 - March 4, 1893
24. Grover Cleveland   March 4, 1893 - March 4, 1897
25. William McKinley   March 4, 1897 September 14, 1901 (assassinated)
26. Theodore Roosevelt   September 14, 1901 - March 4, 1909
27. William Howard Taft   March 4, 1909 - March 4, 1913
28. Woodrow Wilson   March 4, 1913 - March 4, 1921
29. Warren G. Harding   March 4, 1921 - August 2, 1923 (died in office)
30. Calvin Coolidge   August 2, 1923 - March 4, 1929
31. Herbert Hoover   March 4, 1929 - March 4, 1933
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt   March 4, 1933 - April 12, 1945 (died in office)
33. Harry S. Truman   April 12, 1945 - January 20, 1953
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower   January 20 1953 - January 20, 1961
35. John F. Kennedy   January 20 1961 - November 22, 1963 (assassinated)
36. Lyndon B. Johnson   November 22, 1963 - January 20, 1969
37. Richard Nixon   January 20, 1969 - August 9, 1974 (resigned from office)
38. Gerald Ford   January 20, 1974 - January 20, 1977
39. Jimmy Carter   January 20, 1977 - January 20, 1981
40. Ronald Reagan   January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989
41. George H. W. Bush   January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993
42. Bill Clinton   January 20, 1993 - January 20, 2001
43. George W. Bush   January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2009
44. Barack Obama   January 20, 2009 - January 20, 2017
45. Donald J. Trump   January 20, 2017 - ?

updated *sigh*

Trump is now President, God help us all.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Y’all want to get acquainted with paleoclimatology.

ah ha!

very well, I leave it up to the scientists to determine whether not there is a way to determine the weather in the middle ages.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

ferris209 said:

So, do you think it was hotter or colder during the Middle Ages?

perhaps we could figure that out by looking at what people back then wrote about that weather. They may not have recorded exact temperatures, but they surely talked about the weather. Surely some understanding about the weather back then could be gained.

It wouldn’t be possible to determine temperatures from that. It’s really hard to tell if a year is two degrees colder without a thermometer.

I am not talking about exact temperatures, estimates and other info about weather patterns.

Jetrell Fo said:

ferris209 said:

oojason said:

ferris209 said:

Nope, it doesn’t bother me one bit. Furthermore, I absolutely doubt that we can either change or affect it whatsoever. Besides, a warmer earth even by a degree is better for us, it allows more crops to flourish among many other things.

Plus, shall I again remind you “recorded history” is only the last 140 years? Unless you believe a young earth, then that’s pretty bad science to base an entire theory about the planet based only on .0000000001% of the earths history.

Meteorological charts go back to 1850 (thermometers etc) - so you’re getting on for 170 years. Still a small portion of the Earth’s history - but a reasonable point to measure when factoring in comparisons for the age of the Second Industrial Revolution (factories, urbanisation, smoke, grit, dust, grime, gas and chemicals, coal and mining taking place on a more ‘industrial’ scale leading to engines - powering and use of).

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To the later question of ‘So, do you think it was hotter or colder during the Middle Ages?’ - that’s a wider-ranging question, when and where? At which point in the Middle Ages? Circa 1000 when some believe there to have been the Little Ice Age? Or the Warming Period in SouthEast Asia & parts of Northern Europe around the same time?

Am off too bed now (late in the UK) - but am curious as to your answer and why (as well as where and when).

You decide.

Damn you ferris, for wanting real dialog and real discussion, I pale in comparison to you.

Is that what he wants?

ferris209 said:

TV’s Frink said:

My god, climate change deniers are amazing.

I don’t deny that climate changes, just this morning it was cold outside now it’s not.

ferris209 said:

If CNN believes that climate change is coming, we’re all doomed, and that New York is going to be underwater as soon as 2015 2018 2045, then why are they moving all of their operations to New York?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/05/cnn-moves-to-centralize-in-new-york-189029

ferris209 said:

TV’s Frink said:

ferris209 said:

TV’s Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I suppose he’s hearkening to the “Earth has gone through several heating and cooling periods through the eons, so what we’re experiencing now is nothing new or unnatural” argument against AGW.

Well ok but if it’s unrecorded history he has no way of knowing that.

Exactly, and there’s way more of it than recorded history.

Ok, so it doesn’t worry you in the slightest that this was the hottest year in recorded history, or that the 16 warmest years since 1880 have all occurred in the 2000s except one (which was 1998), because there might have been one year before recorded history that was hotter. Maybe.

Ok.

Nope, it doesn’t bother me one bit.

ferris209 said:

TV’s Frink said:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/medieval-warm-period.htm

So you do think it was warmer?

I am pretty sure Frink is indicating that it was colder back then.

ferris209 said:

So, do you think it was hotter or colder during the Middle Ages?

perhaps we could figure that out by looking at what people back then wrote about that weather. They may not have recorded exact temperatures, but they surely talked about the weather. Surely some understanding about the weather back then could be gained.

ferris209 said:

TV’s Frink said:

ferris209 said:

TV’s Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I suppose he’s hearkening to the “Earth has gone through several heating and cooling periods through the eons, so what we’re experiencing now is nothing new or unnatural” argument against AGW.

Well ok but if it’s unrecorded history he has no way of knowing that.

Exactly, and there’s way more of it than recorded history.

Ok, so it doesn’t worry you in the slightest that this was the hottest year in recorded history, or that the 16 warmest years since 1880 have all occurred in the 2000s except one (which was 1998), because there might have been one year before recorded history that was hotter. Maybe.

Ok.

Nope, it doesn’t bother me one bit. Furthermore, I absolutely doubt that we can either change or affect it whatsoever. Besides, a warmer earth even by a degree is better for us, it allows more crops to flourish among many other things.

I am pretty sure it would a bad thing for those effected increase in hurricanes and what not, also there are those that might find their properties under the ocean. I would think that to be a bad thing.

Plus, shall I again remind you “recorded history” is only the last 140 years? Unless you believe a young earth, then that’s pretty bad science to base an entire theory about the planet based only on .0000000001% of the earths history.

I think it based on more than that. I think scientists do have ways of examining the weather patterns before the recorded history. I think one is examining ice formations that are deep deep within the ice at the poles.

I do have to say if the fact that the 16 warmest years since 1880 have all occurred in the 2000s except one, doesn’t cause you the slightest bit of concern, you are not looking at this logically, rationally or in a non-biased manner.

To everyone that prays:

There are family members of those that belong to our church. They have a baby with a very serious lung condition. I think the child was born premature. I don’t know all of the details, but I know that they doctors have said there is nothing more they can do. I fear the baby might not have very long to live. It is in God’s hands now. I can’t imaging what this family is going through. I ask all here that pray, to pray for the baby, and her family and friend and all those treating her.

TV’s Frink said:

Hardly surprising.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/01/19/trump_s_planned_elimination_of_violence_against_women_grants_is_pure_cruelty.html

It figures.

Jetrell Fo said:

Bingowings said:

SilverWook said:

MalàStrana said:

I know it’s going to be historic. The man is funny AND seems to be efficient. Obama had good speeches but without intelligent actions speeches are worthless, and so are Obama’s 8 years: worthless. He only brought more wars than Bush and let ISIS spread. So yeah, thanks Obama, really… won’t miss you…

Do you complain about your own country’s leaders this much?

I do.
The guy is right.
He was elected as some kind of modern messiah figure and carried on bombing the middle east and torturing people. He is was as effective as a leader as Bush (as in he was a figure head with very little real influence).
David Cameron however had real power. He assumed he would win Brexit and silence the eurosceptics in his party for a generation and lost the UK probably trillions. Bush and Obama are fake news.
Cameron is a really evil dick and Theresa May is the g-spot of evil.

I agree with all you’ve said here.

if you say so.

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

SilverWook said:

MalàStrana said:

I know it’s going to be historic. The man is funny AND seems to be efficient. Obama had good speeches but without intelligent actions speeches are worthless, and so are Obama’s 8 years: worthless. He only brought more wars than Bush and let ISIS spread. So yeah, thanks Obama, really… won’t miss you…

Do you complain about your own country’s leaders this much?

I do.
The guy is right.
He was elected as some kind of modern messiah figure and carried on bombing the middle east and torturing people. He is was as effective as a leader as Bush (as in he was a figure head with very little real influence).
David Cameron however had real power. He assumed he would win Brexit and silence the eurosceptics in his party for a generation and lost the UK probably trillions. Bush and Obama are fake news.
Cameron is a really evil dick and Theresa May is the g-spot of evil.

How do you come to the conclusion that W. Bush and Obama were just figure heads with real influence while David Cameron had real power??? Also if W. Bush and Obama were just figureheads, just you do you think was really in charge? Congress?

https://youtu.be/OyBNmecVtdU

I guess from that, that you think the military industrial complex is really in charge. But I still do not understand why you think David Cameron was not a figurehead.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

I mean seriously, Obama brought more wars than W. Bush???

He didn’t end any of them effectively as he promised. There was certainly no less war under Obama than G. W. Bush

He said “He only brought more wars than Bush” He didn’t just say there was no less war, he said there was more.

TV’s Frink said:

Bingowings said:

Bush and Obama are fake news.

Lol.

?

Ah, so you are French.

Bingowings said:

SilverWook said:

MalàStrana said:

I know it’s going to be historic. The man is funny AND seems to be efficient. Obama had good speeches but without intelligent actions speeches are worthless, and so are Obama’s 8 years: worthless. He only brought more wars than Bush and let ISIS spread. So yeah, thanks Obama, really… won’t miss you…

Do you complain about your own country’s leaders this much?

I do.
The guy is right.
He was elected as some kind of modern messiah figure and carried on bombing the middle east and torturing people. He is was as effective as a leader as Bush (as in he was a figure head with very little real influence).
David Cameron however had real power. He assumed he would win Brexit and silence the eurosceptics in his party for a generation and lost the UK probably trillions. Bush and Obama are fake news.
Cameron is a really evil dick and Theresa May is the g-spot of evil.

How do you come to the conclusion that W. Bush and Obama were just figure heads with real influence while David Cameron had real power??? Also if W. Bush and Obama were just figureheads, just you do you think was really in charge? Congress?

I have no idea. One thing for certain: it will be worse off.

I mean seriously, Obama brought more wars than W. Bush???

MalàStrana said:

I know it’s going to be historic. The man is funny AND seems to be efficient. Obama had good speeches but without intelligent actions speeches are worthless, and so are Obama’s 8 years: worthless. He only brought more wars than Bush and let ISIS spread. So yeah, thanks Obama, really… won’t miss you…

more insanity.

a big fuck you goes out to Governor Christie for saying this:

[Governor Christie said:]

I understand why people are interested if you are a public figure, as to who you root for,” Christie said. “They’re interested. But the hostility, I will tell you that I take for being a Cowboys fan — and this is what I say to Giants fans all the time, and Eagles fans. Now Eagles fans I can understand it from a little more because the Eagles do suck and they’ve sucked for a long time. And their fans are generally angry, awful people.

Fuck you, you fat piece of shit.