Warbler

Bingowings said:

Hurray for Lesbian Puddle Love
(Remeber the distance or colour does not matter but love matters alot in life)
I’m pretty jaded about these sorts of story resolutions but I did not see the puddle love card being played.
So will 12 be convinced by 1 being convinced by 12 being convinced by 1?

Will the Master wear Bill’s old bras?
What do Cybermen do with all those discarded arses?
Does Missy really not remember as much as she says or has she got a secret girl plan?
Will Nardol and the children of Mondas escape the black hole and find a life without living crucified scarecrows?

Tune in next time… Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo, do doo doo doo do doo doo do doo, do doo, doo doo, doo dooo doo doo.

huh?

RayRogers said:

Warbler said:

Are RayRogers and jedimasterobiwan one and the same? If so, why hasn’t the RayRogers account been locked as well?

Nope, I’m not but nice try though. I’m living at the central coast area of California. (TBH, IN makes it seem I live in a damn cave or underground facility. I don’t.)

Ok, I was wrong. My apologies.

towne32 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Are RayRogers and jedimasterobiwan one and the same? If so, why hasn’t the RayRogers account been locked as well?

Where’d you get this idea from?

It was probably the shift in conversation, from discussing an unknown jmow sock to Ray discussing socks and defending himself seemingly out of the blue.

exactly.

Extremely different levels of literacy and coherence, though.

Like I said, it looks as though I was mistaken.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Are RayRogers and jedimasterobiwan one and the same? If so, why hasn’t the RayRogers account been locked as well?

Where’d you get this idea from?

From the way people were talking in this thread. But it looks as though I was mistaken.

Are RayRogers and jedimasterobiwan one and the same? If so, why hasn’t the RayRogers account been locked as well?

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

towne32 said:

Warbler said:

I could have sworn the person in question had passed away. I am glad that I was mistaken about that.

This is getting trickier to discuss without spoilers. 😃

If you’re thinking of the person from 2013, no they have not passed away! If you’re thinking of someone else, yes they certainly have.

I was thinking the person from 2013 had passed away. I knew the someone else had passed away a long time ago.

The second actor to play that role passed less than a year after playing the part.

I know that, but for some reason I had thought the guy from 2013 had also passed away.

towne32 said:

Warbler said:

I could have sworn the person in question had passed away. I am glad that I was mistaken about that.

This is getting trickier to discuss without spoilers. 😃

If you’re thinking of the person from 2013, no they have not passed away! If you’re thinking of someone else, yes they certainly have.

I was thinking the person from 2013 had passed away. I knew the someone else had passed away a long time ago.

I could have sworn the person in question had passed away. I am glad that I was mistaken about that.

Well . . . this should be an interesting Christmas Special . . .

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

I still in the middle of reading the Bible. I am simultaneously reading it in the KJV and NIV84. I have read Genesis, Job, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, and 2 Samuel. I an currently reading Psalms. I am at Psalms 106 in the KJV and Psalms 101 in the NIV84.

What kind of order is that? Not that the Bible is chronological, but Joshua through 2 Kings is. NIV is one of the worst translations in my opinion by the way.

I am following a pamphlet. It has the reader going to Psalms after 2 Samuel and then back to 1 Kings. I think it does this because traditionally Psalms is thought to have been written by King David(written by God using King David) and David dies at the beginning of 1 Kings. So, I guess the thinking is that if David wrote the Psalms, he probably finished before the beginning of the events of 1 Kings. The Pamphlet does the same sort of thing with Proverbs. It has the reader going to Proverbs, after the first 4 chapters of 1 kings. But I will agree, the pamphlet does jump around bit.

Why do you think NIV84 is one of the worst translations. As to why I am using it in this reading, that is because the NIV84 is the version my church happens to use as our pew Bible. When I was a kid, our church used to use the KJV. But sometime in the late 80s, we switched to the NIV84.

I want to make clear that I am not using the updated 2011 NIV. When I say NIV84, I mean I am using the version that came out in 1984.

I guess I will now update where I am in reading through the Bible:

I have read Genesis, Job, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, and 2 Samuel, Psalms, 1 kings 1-4, Proverbs, 1 Kings 5-end, 2 Kings 1-14:20, Joel, 2 Kings 14:21-25, Jonah(KJV). I am about to start reading Jonah in the NIV84.

Are they skipping the origin story in this new movie?

I guess not, if you are skipping the origin story. But it is still important that when Peter began being Spiderman, he did so when he was still in highschool(if you want to be true to the source material).

pittrek said:

Warbler said:

pittrek said:
but even if he would do something like classic rock, I would still find it annoying. Just like Uhura’s singing in TOS - I love Nichelle and her voice, but it just doesn’t fit to Trek.

1. What about Seven of Nine’s singing? (see my link above)

2. Why doesn’t it fit to Trek, You don’t think the songs that Vic was singing would make to the 23rd/24th century?

Long story short - song breaks belong to musicals ( IMHO ).

Doing this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjN8WDaPT8k

every once and while does not turn Star Trek into a musical. Vic sang when it made sense to sing. He was a hologram of a nightclub singer and he sang in a hologram of a night club. It is not the same as people suddenly breaking out in song in OPS or the bridge of the Defiant or something like that.

SilverWook said:

Does Peter have to be back in high school every time they reboot Spidey? I like watching movies with characters in high school about as much I like having dreams where I’m still in high school.
https://youtu.be/0g7VoRQPswg

Well, if you look as the first Spiderman comic book, Peter was a highschool kid. Therefore, some would argue that to be true to the source material, Peter has to start out in highschool.

They should have just stuck with the Tobey Maguire version and connected that to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Those movies were pretty good(with exception of the 3rd).

doubleofive said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Warbler said:

Ok, could someone tell me why they had to reboot Spiderman yet again. Why couldn’t they just tie the most recent series to the Marvel Cinematic Universe?

If you mean the “Amazing” movies, it’s because they kinda suck.

They really really suck.

oh, I’ve never seen them. I didn’t realize they were bad.

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

I saw a little bit of an episode this season. I can see the series is not for me anymore. The Master switching to a good guy/gal? It is ok that he/she murdered people because people eat meat??? Sorry no thanks.

I’m a vegetarian so it’s preaching to the converted in my case.
But it’s really a metaphor for ethical perspective and innate nature. As moral beings we see killing our own kind, most of the time, as an act of evil but as products of nature making that connection to what we may deem as lesser creatures isn’t as obvious. There is a similar problem for some when they respond to the eating of pigs and dogs or killing of creatures considered pests when a more humane option is available. The Master is an alien. He/she sees us as barely alive shapes that can be popped for amusement but her friend from the same species sees us as kindred. The Mistress seems to having an epithany (though she could be lying). She seems to be seeing us as more than finger paint. As a Christian Warb you believe in redemption for all, even Satan could be redeemed if he genuinely acted on regret and confession. Missy has been Conditioned to be Satanic. She claims to be breaking that conditioning… Very reluctantly at the moment and possibly as a deception. The Doctor wants redemption for all. He has done terrible things and feels if he can save these arch characters he can save himself. It’s a surprisingly Christian theme. I’m confused why you wouldn’t embrace it.

I figured you’d respond with something like this.

1. I will never ever equate the killing of humans(sentient, a life that knows and knows that it knows) to the killing of an animal(non-sentient). I know we will never agree on this, so that is that.

2. Yes I understand that Missy/Master doesn’t equate the life of a human with that of a Timelord. But still he/she is smart enough to be able to see that humans are sentient. Also has the Master/Missy ever had a problem with taking the life a Timelord when it suits his/her purposes?

3. when/how was Missy/Master “conditioned” to be satanic?

4. I could be wrong about this, but I am pretty sure that Satan is beyond redemption by now.

5. You might as well try to redeem the Daleks.

6. There is a difference between how I view things in real life as compared to a fictional tv show. The fictional Master/Missy is beyond redemption, imo. Real life villain aren’t like character of the Master/Missy.

7. You say the Doctor did terrible things. What terrible things. If I am not mistaken, the only “terrible thing” he did, he has reversed so it never happened. Also did that “terrible thing” to end war that threatened the galaxy. He did it to save lives.

1. Most animals (possibly some networks of plants and fungi) are without doubt sentient, Sapience is relative. But in the context of the show the Doctor can hold a conversation with cat or a horse in the same way he can with a human baby. The language of crows is something the telepathic circuits of the TARDIS can translate into languages the crew can understand. In the past this gave the Doctor pause enough to dabble with vegetarianism (something he gave up though his subconscious beats himself up over it).

2).Missy like the Doctor can hold a conversation with a cat. Missy would probably eat a cat and enjoy it just as Bill enjoys her bacon sandwich. She has eaten humans and considered eating Clara. To her awareness is not enough to warrant parity as a species. She has generally sociopathic tendencies even to other Time Lords but to her eating human is no different than Bill eating pork.

3). The Master was made aware of his own heart beat as a signal to the High Council to attempt to pull them out of the Time War. This became more acute over time and contributed to his pure mental health (The Sound of Drums). Rassilon himself assumes responsibility for the Master being “diseased” but doesn’t care, being pretty evil himself.

4)… surely for the love your enemy thing to work God has to practice what he preaches. Going by the character’s MO I doubt if the Prince of Lies would give an honest confession but that’s the same situation we have with Missy who is at least as dishonest as the Doctor.

5. The Doctor has repeatedly hoped for redemption for the Daleks (see Evil of the Daleks and Into the Dalek). He is happy when it seems to work and disappointed when it doesn’t. The Daleks are not his friends or even best enemies. Look at the acts of compassion he visited on Davros (someone he describes as his arch enemy much to annoyance of Missy).

6. All things are fiction to some degree. It’s all metaphor. I don’t fully understand the workings of my own mind so to assume that of even my best friend is arrogant. All I have to work with is an approximation of what I can deduce other people are like. A story, based on a true story. So Missy is as real as anyone in my life… from a certain point of view 😃 There are similar creatures who see people as toys and toys as something to be broken. I can imagine some of those people experimenting with not behaving that way to reach some other goal. Maybe for Missy being friends with the Doctor again is worth giving up finger painting with the blood of the innocent… at least for a while. For the Doctor redemption for his old friend is worth risking the lives of his new friends. He is an alien. And if two human being can have different attitudes towards bacon or dog why can’t two aliens have different attitudes towards human or any other creature?

1. Ok maybe animals are different in the show than in real life.
2. She has eaten human? ew. When did that happen? Anyway my point remains, she had murdered people she most definitely thought were her equal. I don’t think she only murdered humans because she thought it was justified because it was like killing animals. I don’t think she cared whether humans are the same or higher than animals. She murdered humans when it suited her evil plans. Btw, I am willing to bet there was/are bigoted white people, who although they thought black people were inferior to them, still realized it would be wrong to murder a black person. It may not have been on the same level as killing a white person, but still wrong and still different than killing an animal.
3. So are you saying the heartbeat thing played a part in every evil act he/she committed going back to the time of the 3rd Doctor?
4. possibly, but we are still allowed to be skeptical of such a confession. What do you mean that Missy is as dishonest as the Doctor? I am pretty sure that the Master/Missy is more dishonest than the Doctor. I am also sure when the Doctor is dishonest, it is for more noble reasons than when Master/Missy is dishonest.
5. point taken
6. All things are fiction to some degree??? I don’t get it. Some fictional characters are not like real life people. In real life people live in some degree of grey(hopefully closer to the lighter side of grey). But fiction some characters live purely in the white(good guys) and some live purely in the black)villains. In the original series, the Master lived purely in the black. There was no grey area with him. He was a 100% pure villain. There was no good in him. The new series is supposed to be a continuation of the original series. I find it hard to see the Master from the original series doing what Missy is doing now. I don’t see the Roger Delgado or Anthony Ainley changing like this.
7. You did not address my 7th point.

Ok, could someone tell me why they had to reboot Spiderman yet again. Why couldn’t they just tie the most recent series to the Marvel Cinematic Universe?

DuracellEnergizer said:

TK-949 said:

I liked everything about DS9. Best ST series so far.

Definitely agree with your second statement. My beef with the Klingons aside, DS9 managed to completely realize its full potential, something TOS & TNG never managed to achieve.

What is your beef with the Klingons?

pittrek said:
but even if he would do something like classic rock, I would still find it annoying. Just like Uhura’s singing in TOS - I love Nichelle and her voice, but it just doesn’t fit to Trek.

1. What about Seven of Nine’s singing? (see my link above)

2. Why doesn’t it fit to Trek, You don’t think the songs that Vic was singing would make to the 23rd/24th century?

pittrek said:

Warbler said:

pittrek said:

Worf was a great addition to DS9, come on! He’s even more interesting than he was on TNG.
If you want one horrible mistake - take a look at the holographic jazz singer, whatshisname.

Vic Fontaine a mistake‽

Maybe it is just because I like that style of music, Vic Fontaine doesn’t seem like a mistake to me.

I don’t like his type of music,

shame on you.

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t trust anyone named Vic.

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pittrek said:

Worf was a great addition to DS9, come on! He’s even more interesting than he was on TNG.
If you want one horrible mistake - take a look at the holographic jazz singer, whatshisname.

Vic Fontaine a mistake‽

Maybe it is just because I like that style of music, Vic Fontaine doesn’t seem like a mistake to me.

What was so bad about Ezri?

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

*sigh*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnpy3cC673o

Ok, Dr. Nick is a character on the Simpsons. I got that from google. But what does that have to do with coolboy96?

The first words out of that character’s mouth in that video is “Hi, everybody!” which also happens to be the thread title.

That’s the joke. Right there.

Oh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XY-WjKkkeo