Warbler

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I can still see why people voted for him against Hillary due to the view that Hillary was corrupt and Trump was the lesser of the two evils, but there is no Christian justification for it.

The Christian justification, as I understand it, is that he would appoint a bunch of far right wing judges to the Supreme Court who would undo all the evil laws like Roe v Wade.

So on that count, they’re at least one judge closer, and they may only need one more.

I sure hope selling their souls was worth it!

As a Christian, I see nothing Christian in Trump.

Jeebus said:

http://www.salon.com/2017/08/08/woman-woman-women-only-screenings-lawsuit/

lol

I would accept nothing less than the movie on blu ray.

moviefreakedmind said:

I can still see why people voted for him against Hillary due to the view that Hillary was corrupt and Trump was the lesser of the two evils, but there is no Christian justification for it.

I don’t know how you can possibly remotely say that Trump was the lesser of the two evils.

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/evangelical-adviser-trump-nuke-north-korea_us_598a62b3e4b0449ed5066531

Robert Jeffress, head of the First Baptist Dallas megachurch, told CBN on Tuesday that a biblical passage in Romans allows rulers to use “whatever means necessary ― including war ― to stop evil.”

He said:

“In the case of North Korea, God has given Trump authority to take out Kim Jong Un. I’m heartened to see that our president ― contrary to what we’ve seen with past administrations who have taken, at best, a sheepish stance toward dictators and oppressors ― will not tolerate any threat against the American people.”

Jeffress also said:

“When @POTUS draws a red line, he will not erase, move, or back away from it. Thank God for pres. who is serious ab. protecting our country.”

Ok then.

One could say the same about opposing communism. …So, the Vietnam War was a good idea?

You know, America doesn’t have the best track record when it comes to militarily forcing American policy on foreign countries against leaders we don’t like. I seem to recall it usually makes the natives mad.

It does do that, although it has worked from time to time. Just ask Germany and Japan.

The ironic thing is, if we were to follow Romans 13 to the letter, the American Revolution would be sin.

" 1 Every [a]person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except [b]from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore [c]whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves."

chyron8472 said:

What I want to know is–and I’m asking the conservatives and/or Republicans here–why in God’s name conservatives voted for Donald Trump. Not necessarily against Hillary, as she has more than enough obvious reasons to be thoroughly disliked–but in the primaries.

I know people liked him as a protest candidate against the status quo, but voting for a protest candidate is one thing; voting for Donald Trump is something completely different. So many people knew for the longest time that he cares little for anybody but himself, he’s short tempered, uneducated, listens to conspiracy theorists, and is generally out of touch with the common man.

This is a legitimate question, not a rant nor a flamebait.

It boggles my mind why anyone voted for Trump in the General or Primary elections.

TV’s Frink said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/evangelical-adviser-trump-nuke-north-korea_us_598a62b3e4b0449ed5066531

Robert Jeffress, head of the First Baptist Dallas megachurch, told CBN on Tuesday that a biblical passage in Romans allows rulers to use “whatever means necessary ― including war ― to stop evil.”

He said:

“In the case of North Korea, God has given Trump authority to take out Kim Jong Un. I’m heartened to see that our president ― contrary to what we’ve seen with past administrations who have taken, at best, a sheepish stance toward dictators and oppressors ― will not tolerate any threat against the American people.”

Jeffress also said:

“When @POTUS draws a red line, he will not erase, move, or back away from it. Thank God for pres. who is serious ab. protecting our country.”

Ok then.

Wonderful, using the Bible to justify nuking countless innocent people. Just so it is clear, I do not consider Kim Jong Un or his minions innocent people, but I think it is clear that Nukes would take out a lot of ordinary citizens, citizens whom are not responsible for what is happening there right now.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is a boy more into sports because he has a penis or because his Dad liked sports and the other boys liked sports and they all looked down on him until he liked sports?

I’m guessing it’s the latter.

What about transgendered people? When they are young, aren’t they given the clothes and the toys of the gender everyone things they are and they sometimes reject them and prefer the toys and cloths of the other gender?

Often, yes.

Not sure what your point is, unless you’re just agreeing with me.

My point is that maybe there is something about what gender your brain is that affects what you like that don’t like. You said that maybe the only reason a boy likes sports is because his Dad did and how other boys would look down on him for not liking sports. If what you said is true, then a person born with the mind of girl but the body of a boy would still end up liking sports and the same would true of toys and clothes, yet we know it doesn’t work like that.

Newsflash: Some girls like football and Star Wars, some boys like My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. A person with the mind of a girl but the body of a boy absolutely can end up liking sports and “boy” toys and clothes. You may think it doesn’t work like that but I guarantee you are wrong.

Newsflash: More boys than girls like football and Star Wars, more girls than boys like My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. A person with mind of girl but the body of a boy tends to reject the boy clothes and toys the person is given and instead favors the girl cloths and toys the same is also true of sports. You may think it doesn’t work like that but I guarantee you are wrong.

Newsflash: Parents want their kids to conform to their preconceived stereotypes. If their kid is a boy, they’re more likely to try to get them to act like a boy. Kids see stereotypes of gender in media. They carry these throughout their life. Kids can also be bullied if they don’t like the “right” thing. You may think it doesn’t work like that but I guarantee you are wrong.

Do any of you have kids?

I am a father to a 2.5 year old daughter, and her preferences, while influenced by me, are so very obviously to me not altogether of my or my wife’s making. She likes pink. She likes yellow. But that’s not because we actively encourage it by pushing it on her. As a parent, I am learning how much of who God made her to be, as well as trying to train her in the ways I think is best for her.

As a parent, I grow increasingly annoyed at accusations that parents brainwash or wrongfully indoctrinate their kids.

I have two girls, 6 and 9. They love Star Wars and My Little Pony. I’m almost certain they only love Star Wars because my wife and I do as well.

Are you sure it has nothing to do with Stars Wars being a good movie?

It doesn’t matter how good or bad a movie is if you don’t know anything about it. They only watched it the first time because we showed it to them.

So they love every single thing you’ve showed them?

Of course not. What are you even talking about?

You seemed to be arguing that they only loved Star Wars because you show it to them. I think there is more to it than that.

The point is that if they were boys and we never showed it to them, they’d probably seek it out anyway because their friends would have seen it, wear the shirts, play with the toys, etc…and generally because those parents encouraged it. Because they’re girls, the likelihood of them seeking it out without us encouraging it is much lower. This has nothing to do with their gender and everything to do with the way society treats gender.

I am sure society is terrible to girls that like Star Wars.

CatBus said:
I’d say the rate of kids who prefer the activities of the other gender is the same among trans kids as it is among cis kids–that is, pretty low.

when you say “of the other gender” in regards to trans kids, are you talking about their physical gender or the gender they identify with?

CatBus said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

But the point is, they start doing that before they even know they are transgendered. They don’t go “oh! I transgendered! Now let me see how everyone thinks girls should act and I will act like that”, I think it is more like they start out preferring girls and then realize later on that they are transgendered.

Sure. As far as they know (with the examples I know), they’re a girl and they have a penis. They’re not trans, they’re a girl.

Wait, I’m not allowed to a call a transgendered person, transgendered anymore? When did that happen?

Context. If you’re talking about a four-year-old trans child, they don’t have the vocabulary to say trans, but they do know boy and girl. It’s okay to use words children don’t understand, but don’t expect them to understand you.

And sure, they’ve heard adults say that boys have penises and girls don’t, but they can look down their own pants for proof the adult is wrong, QED. It’s not until they learn a little more about society works that they identify as trans. Until then they’re just a girl like any other girl.

And despite everyone trying brainwashing them with how people with penises should act and what they should like, they still end up liking girl things.

No, that’s the thing. There are very few penises in your average media or parental message to kids. The message is that boys do this and girls do this, and they by and large accept these messages. It’s just when someone tells them that only boys have penises that they roll their eyes because they’ve got the proof right there.

I am not so sure of that. I don’t think A four year old trans child realizes yet that they are a girl with penis. I think they are only realize that they are different from other boys and prefer girl things. I think they only realize they are a girl with penis when they are little bit older.

From the sounds of it, CatBus has “dealt” with these children before. Therefore, what you think is moot. He’s the only one with experience in this conversation.

Yep. My kid’s school is kindof a magnet for parents of trans kids, basically because if you hear that there’s a school somewhere in the country where your kid won’t get the crap kicked out of them for being your kid, you pack your bags. A trans parent mass migration.

Awareness of sex differences in general is wildly variable. I’ve got an almost-five year old who really just figured out boys and girls, and I’d say he’s slightly later than most. But he still has trouble with using the right pronouns, which is more of an unrelated language/grammar issue. Some trans kids know with certainty right away, right out of the gate (about four): I’m a boy, period. Some have an uneasy feeling about the whole topic for a while and finally declare around eight or so. Some take a lot longer (adulthood). But if you ask them how long they’ve known, they reach pretty far back… often saying they’ve always felt this way but never felt confident enough about what this feeling was to finally put a name on it until now. Or worse, that they felt that had to go incognito until they moved out of their parents’ house.

I am still willing to bet that some start to prefer the things of the gender opposite from their physical gender, before they realize they are transgendered.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is a boy more into sports because he has a penis or because his Dad liked sports and the other boys liked sports and they all looked down on him until he liked sports?

I’m guessing it’s the latter.

What about transgendered people? When they are young, aren’t they given the clothes and the toys of the gender everyone things they are and they sometimes reject them and prefer the toys and cloths of the other gender?

Often, yes.

Not sure what your point is, unless you’re just agreeing with me.

My point is that maybe there is something about what gender your brain is that affects what you like that don’t like. You said that maybe the only reason a boy likes sports is because his Dad did and how other boys would look down on him for not liking sports. If what you said is true, then a person born with the mind of girl but the body of a boy would still end up liking sports and the same would true of toys and clothes, yet we know it doesn’t work like that.

Newsflash: Some girls like football and Star Wars, some boys like My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. A person with the mind of a girl but the body of a boy absolutely can end up liking sports and “boy” toys and clothes. You may think it doesn’t work like that but I guarantee you are wrong.

Newsflash: More boys than girls like football and Star Wars, more girls than boys like My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. A person with mind of girl but the body of a boy tends to reject the boy clothes and toys the person is given and instead favors the girl cloths and toys the same is also true of sports. You may think it doesn’t work like that but I guarantee you are wrong.

Newsflash: Parents want their kids to conform to their preconceived stereotypes. If their kid is a boy, they’re more likely to try to get them to act like a boy. Kids see stereotypes of gender in media. They carry these throughout their life. Kids can also be bullied if they don’t like the “right” thing. You may think it doesn’t work like that but I guarantee you are wrong.

Do any of you have kids?

I am a father to a 2.5 year old daughter, and her preferences, while influenced by me, are so very obviously to me not altogether of my or my wife’s making. She likes pink. She likes yellow. But that’s not because we actively encourage it by pushing it on her. As a parent, I am learning how much of who God made her to be, as well as trying to train her in the ways I think is best for her.

As a parent, I grow increasingly annoyed at accusations that parents brainwash or wrongfully indoctrinate their kids.

I have two girls, 6 and 9. They love Star Wars and My Little Pony. I’m almost certain they only love Star Wars because my wife and I do as well.

Are you sure it has nothing to do with Stars Wars being a good movie?

It doesn’t matter how good or bad a movie is if you don’t know anything about it. They only watched it the first time because we showed it to them.

So they love every single thing you’ve showed them?

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

But the point is, they start doing that before they even know they are transgendered. They don’t go “oh! I transgendered! Now let me see how everyone thinks girls should act and I will act like that”, I think it is more like they start out preferring girls and then realize later on that they are transgendered.

Sure. As far as they know (with the examples I know), they’re a girl and they have a penis. They’re not trans, they’re a girl.

Wait, I’m not allowed to a call a transgendered person, transgendered anymore? When did that happen?

Context. If you’re talking about a four-year-old trans child, they don’t have the vocabulary to say trans, but they do know boy and girl. It’s okay to use words children don’t understand, but don’t expect them to understand you.

And sure, they’ve heard adults say that boys have penises and girls don’t, but they can look down their own pants for proof the adult is wrong, QED. It’s not until they learn a little more about society works that they identify as trans. Until then they’re just a girl like any other girl.

And despite everyone trying brainwashing them with how people with penises should act and what they should like, they still end up liking girl things.

No, that’s the thing. There are very few penises in your average media or parental message to kids. The message is that boys do this and girls do this, and they by and large accept these messages. It’s just when someone tells them that only boys have penises that they roll their eyes because they’ve got the proof right there.

I am not so sure of that. I don’t think A four year old trans child realizes yet that they are a girl with penis. I think they are only realize that they are different from other boys and prefer girl things. I think they only realize they are a girl with penis when they are little bit older.

From the sounds of it, CatBus has “dealt” with these children before. Therefore, what you think is moot.

bullshit. this is exactly the kind of attitude that pissed off Darth Ender off.

If CatBus has in fact dealt with transgendered children, I would interested to learn what I could from him and I would agree he knows more about the subject than I do, but it doesn’t make I think moot.

CatBus said:

That said, I know some trans kids.

knowing some trans kids, doesn’t necessarily make one an expert on the subject. How well does he know them? How many? How much time has he spent with them?

That said, I am willing accept that he knows more than I do, but it still does not necessarily make what I think moot.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

But the point is, they start doing that before they even know they are transgendered. They don’t go “oh! I transgendered! Now let me see how everyone thinks girls should act and I will act like that”, I think it is more like they start out preferring girls and then realize later on that they are transgendered.

Sure. As far as they know (with the examples I know), they’re a girl and they have a penis. They’re not trans, they’re a girl.

Wait, I’m not allowed to a call a transgendered person, transgendered anymore? When did that happen?

Context. If you’re talking about a four-year-old trans child, they don’t have the vocabulary to say trans, but they do know boy and girl. It’s okay to use words children don’t understand, but don’t expect them to understand you.

And sure, they’ve heard adults say that boys have penises and girls don’t, but they can look down their own pants for proof the adult is wrong, QED. It’s not until they learn a little more about society works that they identify as trans. Until then they’re just a girl like any other girl.

And despite everyone trying brainwashing them with how people with penises should act and what they should like, they still end up liking girl things.

No, that’s the thing. There are very few penises in your average media or parental message to kids. The message is that boys do this and girls do this, and they by and large accept these messages. It’s just when someone tells them that only boys have penises that they roll their eyes because they’ve got the proof right there.

I am not so sure of that. I don’t think A four year old trans child realizes yet that they are a girl with penis. I think they are only realize that they are different from other boys and prefer girl things. I think they only realize they are a girl with penis when they are little bit older.

From the sounds of it, CatBus has “dealt” with these children before. Therefore, what you think is moot.

bullshit. this is exactly the kind of attitude that pissed off Darth Ender off.

If CatBus has in fact dealt with transgendered children, I would interested to learn what I could from him and I would agree he knows more about the subject than I do, but it doesn’t make I think moot.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is a boy more into sports because he has a penis or because his Dad liked sports and the other boys liked sports and they all looked down on him until he liked sports?

I’m guessing it’s the latter.

What about transgendered people? When they are young, aren’t they given the clothes and the toys of the gender everyone things they are and they sometimes reject them and prefer the toys and cloths of the other gender?

Often, yes.

Not sure what your point is, unless you’re just agreeing with me.

My point is that maybe there is something about what gender your brain is that affects what you like that don’t like. You said that maybe the only reason a boy likes sports is because his Dad did and how other boys would look down on him for not liking sports. If what you said is true, then a person born with the mind of girl but the body of a boy would still end up liking sports and the same would true of toys and clothes, yet we know it doesn’t work like that.

Newsflash: Some girls like football and Star Wars, some boys like My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. A person with the mind of a girl but the body of a boy absolutely can end up liking sports and “boy” toys and clothes. You may think it doesn’t work like that but I guarantee you are wrong.

Newsflash: More boys than girls like football and Star Wars, more girls than boys like My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. A person with mind of girl but the body of a boy tends to reject the boy clothes and toys the person is given and instead favors the girl cloths and toys the same is also true of sports. You may think it doesn’t work like that but I guarantee you are wrong.

Newsflash: Parents want their kids to conform to their preconceived stereotypes. If their kid is a boy, they’re more likely to try to get them to act like a boy. Kids see stereotypes of gender in media. They carry these throughout their life. Kids can also be bullied if they don’t like the “right” thing. You may think it doesn’t work like that but I guarantee you are wrong.

Do any of you have kids?

I am a father to a 2.5 year old daughter, and her preferences, while influenced by me, are so very obviously to me not altogether of my or my wife’s making. She likes pink. She likes yellow. But that’s not because we actively encourage it by pushing it on her. As a parent, I am learning how much of who God made her to be, as well as trying to train her in the ways I think is best for her.

As a parent, I grow increasingly annoyed at accusations that parents brainwash or wrongfully indoctrinate their kids.

I have two girls, 6 and 9. They love Star Wars and My Little Pony. I’m almost certain they only love Star Wars because my wife and I do as well.

Are you sure it has nothing to do with Stars Wars being a good movie?

yhwx said:

I’ve heard the average male has very few penises.

?

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

But the point is, they start doing that before they even know they are transgendered. They don’t go “oh! I transgendered! Now let me see how everyone thinks girls should act and I will act like that”, I think it is more like they start out preferring girls and then realize later on that they are transgendered.

Sure. As far as they know (with the examples I know), they’re a girl and they have a penis. They’re not trans, they’re a girl.

Wait, I’m not allowed to a call a transgendered person, transgendered anymore? When did that happen?

Context. If you’re talking about a four-year-old trans child, they don’t have the vocabulary to say trans, but they do know boy and girl. It’s okay to use words children don’t understand, but don’t expect them to understand you.

And sure, they’ve heard adults say that boys have penises and girls don’t, but they can look down their own pants for proof the adult is wrong, QED. It’s not until they learn a little more about society works that they identify as trans. Until then they’re just a girl like any other girl.

And despite everyone trying brainwashing them with how people with penises should act and what they should like, they still end up liking girl things.

No, that’s the thing. There are very few penises in your average media or parental message to kids. The message is that boys do this and girls do this, and they by and large accept these messages. It’s just when someone tells them that only boys have penises that they roll their eyes because they’ve got the proof right there.

I am not so sure of that. I don’t think A four year old trans child realizes yet that they are a girl with penis. I think they are only realize that they are different from other boys and prefer girl things. I think they only realize they are a girl with penis when they are little bit older.

CatBus said:

yhwx said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

But the point is, they start doing that before they even know they are transgendered. They don’t go “oh! I transgendered! Now let me see how everyone thinks girls should act and I will act like that”, I think it is more like they start out preferring girls and then realize later on that they are transgendered.

Sure. As far as they know (with the examples I know), they’re a girl and they have a penis. They’re not trans, they’re a girl. And sure, they’ve heard adults say that boys have penises and girls don’t, but they can look down their own pants for proof the adult is wrong, QED. It’s not until they learn a little more about society works that they identify as trans. Until then they’re just a girl like any other girl. Also, some of the girls with penises like boy things. They’re tomboys. Trans tomboys. It really has nothing to do with what activities you like, although there’s a large overlap.

I’m confused by this paragraph.

Most people are, thus the societal uproar. Basically boys who like girls things and girls who like boy things are not trans. If you think that’s what trans is, that’s the first problem. Trans is not a newfangled word for tomboy. It’s when you look like one sex (in terms of chromosomes, secondary physical attributes, etc), but feel at a deep level that you aren’t that sex. I’m not exactly how that feeling manifests internally, because I’m not trans. But basically to outsiders it’s when a little boy says he’s a girl and he’s not just having pretend-time. He consistently and always says he’s a girl. Not that he likes girl stuff, not that he wants to be a girl, but that he is a girl. That’s trans.

If you thought I was saying transgendered people are simply “boys who like girls things and girls who like boy things”, you are wrong. I believe that transgendered people are born with the body of one gender and the mind of the other gender.

Jeebus said:

darth_ender said:

chyron8472 said:

darth_ender said:

Warbler said:

Do you include me in your list of “self-righteous jerks”? You did say “I can’t engage with any of you.”.

I’m tired and irritable and not in the mood to put up with how liberals describe my views on abortion. You’re not part of that crowd. This thread is just not fun anymore, and this is why hardly post in it anymore.

Oh, shut up. We weren’t describing your views on abortion. We were discussing what labels regarding stance on abortion may (or may not) be more (or less) accurate in general, and our individual opinions of why they might or might not be accurate.

Now, instead of using liberal as an epithet and putting everyone of apparently opposing view in a box while complaining about how they put you in a box, why don’t you be an adult and actually try having an intelligent rational conversation.

I’m very sorry that I offended you by stating that the Left is overgeneralizing. How dare I broach such a sensitive topic with such callousness. I feel awful that I hurt your feelings!

Ryan McAvoy said:

yhwx said:

everybody likes choice

Not everybody. That’s the point isn’t it?

Jeebus said:

What about pro and anti-choice?

So if someone opposes abortion, that means they oppose choice? It doesn’t mean they hold life sacred from conception? It doesn’t mean they value the future of the child?

They oppose someone having the choice to abort.

not in all cases. Some Pro-life people are for having the choice to abort for health reasons and/or in situations of rape.

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

But the point is, they start doing that before they even know they are transgendered. They don’t go “oh! I transgendered! Now let me see how everyone thinks girls should act and I will act like that”, I think it is more like they start out preferring girls and then realize later on that they are transgendered.

Sure. As far as they know (with the examples I know), they’re a girl and they have a penis. They’re not trans, they’re a girl.

Wait, I’m not allowed to a call a transgendered person, transgendered anymore? When did that happen?

And sure, they’ve heard adults say that boys have penises and girls don’t, but they can look down their own pants for proof the adult is wrong, QED. It’s not until they learn a little more about society works that they identify as trans. Until then they’re just a girl like any other girl.

And despite everyone trying brainwashing them with how people with penises should act and what they should like, they still end up liking girl things.

Also, some of the girls with penises like boy things. They’re tomboys. Trans tomboys.

but most “girls with penises” like girl things. A lot of the time, is that not usually the first sign to the parents that they are dealing with a “girl with a penis”?

It really has nothing to do with what activities you like, although there’s a large overlap.

disagree.

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

chyron8472 said:

But that doesn’t give someone license to outright tell girls that they aren’t employed in certain jobs because get-over-it.

Warbler said:

Is that what I was doing?

No. That’s what whats-his-buckets that got fired from Google was doing.

really?

Yes. Hence the accusations by his coworkers of sexual harassment.

I did not realize his coworkers accused him of sexual harassment. What more precisely are they saying he did?

chyron8472 said:

chyron8472 said:

But that doesn’t give someone license to outright tell girls that they aren’t employed in certain jobs because get-over-it.

Warbler said:

Is that what I was doing?

No. That’s what whats-his-buckets that got fired from Google was doing.

really?

CatBus said:

chyron8472 said:

I am a father to a 2.5 year old daughter, and her preferences, while influenced by me, are so very obviously to me not altogether of my or my wife’s making.

As a parent, I grow increasingly annoyed at accusations that parents brainwash or wrongfully indoctrinate their kids.

Absolutely agree. But I believe the current thinking is that by the time the average child is 2 years old, their parents are no longer the primary external influence on them. So while there’s a hell of a lot of internal causes, there are also a hell of a lot of external causes, and the parents really barely factor into it beyond the first couple years.

That said, I know some trans kids. They are not boys who see all the media’s messaging (and parental/peer messaging) about how boys should act and reject it. They do not see other boys and say “I’m a boy but I don’t want to be like that”. They are girls who see all the media’s messaging (and parental/peer messaging) about how girls should act and largely accept it. They see other girls and usually say “I’m a girl too and I want to be like that.” But they have a penis.

But the point is, they start doing that before they even know they are transgendered. They don’t go “oh! I transgendered! Now let me see how everyone thinks girls should act and I will act like that”, I think it is more like they start out preferring girls and then realize later on that they are transgendered.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

I was?

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Any guy who writes a ten page misogynist manifesto is probably an all around cad. Doubt this was the only reason they fired him.

But yeah of course Google is dumb, they should be hiring more people with regressive ideas about gender, that definitely makes sense.

It is only your opinion that it was a misogynist manifesto and it is only your opinion that the he has regressive ideas about gender.

Imo, it makes sense that gender could affect one’s personality, and that could have an affect on career choices. Gender has an affect on what movies people like(there is a reason the term “chick-flick” exists) and whether or not they are sports fans, doesn’t it? Lets say you were at an American football stadium while a game was going on, if you had bet whether there were more men or women there, which way would you bet?

Warbler said:

I’m guessing it’s the latter.

Instead of just guessing, how about we turn to science to answer the question? I think that was more or less the point of that 10 page letter that guy from Google wrote.

This would only be true if the person in question was indeed saying “girls that they aren’t employed in certain jobs because get-over-it” and was exhibiting “general meanness and bad attitude”. I am not so sure the guy that wrote the 10 page paper was doing that.

I was?

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is a boy more into sports because he has a penis or because his Dad liked sports and the other boys liked sports and they all looked down on him until he liked sports?

I’m guessing it’s the latter.

What about transgendered people? When they are young, aren’t they given the clothes and the toys of the gender everyone things they are and they sometimes reject them and prefer the toys and cloths of the other gender?

Often, yes.

Not sure what your point is, unless you’re just agreeing with me.

My point is that maybe there is something about what gender your brain is that affects what you like that don’t like. You said that maybe the only reason a boy likes sports is because his Dad did and how other boys would look down on him for not liking sports. If what you said is true, then a person born with the mind of girl but the body of a boy would still end up liking sports and the same would true of toys and clothes, yet we know it doesn’t work like that.

Newsflash: Some girls like football and Star Wars, some boys like My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. A person with the mind of a girl but the body of a boy absolutely can end up liking sports and “boy” toys and clothes. You may think it doesn’t work like that but I guarantee you are wrong.

Newsflash: More boys than girls like football and Star Wars, more girls than boys like My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. A person with mind of girl but the body of a boy tends to reject the boy clothes and toys the person is given and instead favors the girl cloths and toys the same is also true of sports. You may think it doesn’t work like that but I guarantee you are wrong.

Newsflash: Parents want their kids to conform to their preconceived stereotypes. If their kid is a boy, they’re more likely to try to get them to act like a boy. Kids see stereotypes of gender in media. They carry these throughout their life. Kids can also be bullied if they don’t like the “right” thing. You may think it doesn’t work like that but I guarantee you are wrong.

I agree, but it doesn’t explain what someone with the body of a boy but the mind a girl still ends up like girl clothes

Newsflash: This doesn’t happen all the time.

Newsflash: It happens the majority of the time.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is a boy more into sports because he has a penis or because his Dad liked sports and the other boys liked sports and they all looked down on him until he liked sports?

I’m guessing it’s the latter.

What about transgendered people? When they are young, aren’t they given the clothes and the toys of the gender everyone things they are and they sometimes reject them and prefer the toys and cloths of the other gender?

Often, yes.

Not sure what your point is, unless you’re just agreeing with me.

My point is that maybe there is something about what gender your brain is that affects what you like that don’t like. You said that maybe the only reason a boy likes sports is because his Dad did and how other boys would look down on him for not liking sports. If what you said is true, then a person born with the mind of girl but the body of a boy would still end up liking sports and the same would true of toys and clothes, yet we know it doesn’t work like that.

Newsflash: Some girls like football and Star Wars, some boys like My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. A person with the mind of a girl but the body of a boy absolutely can end up liking sports and “boy” toys and clothes. You may think it doesn’t work like that but I guarantee you are wrong.

Newsflash: More boys than girls like football and Star Wars, more girls than boys like My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. A person with mind of girl but the body of a boy tends to reject the boy clothes and toys the person is given and instead favors the girl cloths and toys the same is also true of sports. You may think it doesn’t work like that but I guarantee you are wrong.

You aren’t hearing anything I’m saying.

I don’t think you are hearing anything I’m saying.