Warbler

I assume you are being sarcastic.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Is it really too far fetched to think that maybe statues of Jefferson and Washington might also have to go?

Yes, it is.

if you say so. Btw, who are you to judge? You’re white and privileged. Maybe the fate of Jefferson and Washington should be left up to people of color to decide, right? After all, we don’t know how it feels to have monuments to people who enslaved our ancestors.

And by the way…

Lori Vermeulen, Stockton’s provost and vice president for academic affairs, said Thursday in a letter to the campus community that the bust’s removal was temporary, and that there are plans to incorporate it in an exhibit that will show Richard Stockton’s role from a more historical perspective.

If they were just throwing it in the trash, that would bother me. But I’m fine with this.

It is the very same thing they are talking about doing with the Confederate Monuments, putting them in a museum.

My point is, the only reason they are taking this guy’s bust down is because he owned slaves. Therefore owning slaves now enough to justify removing monuments.

yhwx said:

https://youtu.be/sx0ICHi1atk

ok, I could only get through a couple minutes of that. That guy is nuts.

Well, a local college has decided to remove bust of a founding father. The reason? He was slave owner, just like Jefferson and Washington.

http://www.philly.com/philly/education/stockton-u-removes-statue-of-slave-holder-namesake-20170825.html

What I want to know is why the they are removing the bust, yet keeping the school named after him.

Is it really too far fetched to think that maybe statues of Jefferson and Washington might also have to go?

SilverWook said:

Jeebus said:

There’s a lot going on in this picture, all of it’s stupid. The_Donald is an utter cesspool.

So that’s what a bunch of people whacking each other off looks like! 😉

How exactly did Arpaio succeed where Trumpy’s Hawaiian investigators failed? I presume they failed as we never heard about them ever again.

wait, it was proved that Obama’s birth certificate was a fake? I hadn’t heard this. I would think if it were actually fake and Obama wasn’t born here and was therefore ineligible to President, that it would have been a huge news story. I don’t see how I would have missed it.

yhwx said:

Depends on the circumstances.

care to elaborate?

What about a charity auction where the highest bid gets a date with an eligible bachelor/bachelorette?

This is an auction of people. So is this kind of auction out?

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

When black and white men are being sold to black and white men.

fixed for accuracy.

Doesn’t really matter if the people being “sold” include people of other races.

I think it does matter. But even if it doesn’t, we should still have our facts straight.

None of your other examples involve a human of a minority race with a history of being sold as slaves. Auctions themselves aren’t the issue.

Did you miss this?

What about a charity auction where the highest bid gets a date with an eligible bachelor/bachelorette?

What if the bachelor/bachelorette is black?

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

When black and white men are being sold to black and white men.

fixed for accuracy.

Doesn’t matter if it’s pretend or pretend football or pretend pretend football or if there’s also white men being pretend sold. Your other examples are ridiculous. No one thinks “black slavery!” when a horse is bought at auction.

What about a charity auction where the highest bid gets a date with an eligible bachelor/bachelorette?

What the literally fungus. Unless the xgaity auction is ncluds actually slavery, I don’t nderstand your question.

???

TV’s Frink said:

When black and white men are being sold to black and white men.

fixed for accuracy.

Doesn’t matter if it’s pretend or pretend football or pretend pretend football or if there’s also white men being pretend sold. Your other examples are ridiculous. No one thinks “black slavery!” when a horse is bought at auction.

What about a charity auction where the highest bid gets a date with an eligible bachelor/bachelorette?

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

That’s as ridiculous as comparing taking down a Confederate statue and the Jefferson monument. Give me a break.

why is it ridiculous? Jefferson was a slave owner. People argue the Confederates were traitors. Guess what England thought of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and John Adams in the 1760’s? I guarantee you they thought of them as traitors.

What country do we live in again?

I don’t know about you, but I live in America.

I wasn’t asking you to do that. I just trying to find out when is an auction too close to a slave auction.

Possessed said:

Warbler said:

So tell me something(and I am not asking this to be a smart*** or to be a jerk), are all auctions out now. I mean we hold auctions sometimes for animals like horses and antiques are sold at auctions. Sometimes auctions are held to raise money for charities. Are these too close to slave auctions? Where is the line?

This might be the most ridiculous question I’ve ever heard coming from somebody I genuinely believe is a good person and not a racist. Really I believe that you are a good person and not a racist, but I am flabbergasted that you even asked that.

Really, my gast has been totally flabbered.

I wasn’t comparing those things to an actual slave auction. I was comparing those things to ESPN’s fantasy football auction, which many thought was too close to a slave auction.

TV’s Frink said:

How can you even ask a question comparing auctioning off antiques and black men?

They weren’t auctioning them off as slaves, it was for fantasy football times. They weren’t really auctioning off the men themselves. Also please remember players of other races were also auctioned off.

What about one of those auctions done for charity where the winner gets date with an eligible bachelor/bachelorette?

That’s as ridiculous as comparing taking down a Confederate statue and the Jefferson monument. Give me a break.

why is it ridiculous? Jefferson was a slave owner. People argue the Confederates were traitors. Guess what England thought of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and John Adams in the 1760’s? I guarantee you they thought of them as traitors.

Jeebus said:

Here’s a short 2 and a half minute Youtube video that’s relevant and informative.

This timeline shows confederate monuments are about racial conflict

For those of you that don’t want to watch (of course, some of it is meaningless without having watched the video for the full context);

This makes it pretty clear that these monuments weren’t just trying to ‘celebrate history and honor the noble Confederacy.’ They were erected to scare and intimidate black people, plain and simple.

Yeah, it is looking more and more like the confederate monuments is more about white pride and racism than honoring the past. However, I do have to wonder if part of the peak around 1910 might have anything to do with the 50th anniversary of secession and the early Civil War battles. It would not be unexpected for people to erect monuments and whatnot around the 50th anniversary of a bid event.

So tell me something(and I am not asking this to be a smart*** or to be a jerk), are all auctions out now. I mean we hold auctions sometimes for animals like horses and antiques are sold at auctions. Sometimes auctions are held to raise money for charities. Are these too close to slave auctions? Where is the line?

It wouldn’t surprise me.

TV’s Frink said:

They should have let me write the Sheriff Joe headline.

“Asshole pardons asshole.”

lol!

Well, I got a smart phone! I am no longer living in the dark ages. The prices of smart phones with the service provider I was going with came down. I got a Galaxy S7.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

TV’s Frink said:

Can we just assume you’re going to agree with everything he says so you can spare us 30 more posts with the same gif?

It is of course a loop of somebody determinedly clapping something they know is wrong out of arrogance.

bullsh**

It’s from Citizen Kane. The meme is a loop of Kane angrily clapping his wife’s terrible Opera performance, which he knew all along was going to be terrible, everybody told him she was terrible, she told him she was terrible but he’s too arrogant by that point to listen.

ok, perhaps I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about me determinedly clapping something I know to be wrong out of arrogance. If I was mistaken, I apologize.

Why it’s become a meme to indicate strong approval of something, rather than self-delusion, is anybodies guess.

Best movie ever.

That is what people say, but I don’t seem to be able to see what others see in the movie.

In short, I have an opinion about the fantasy auction. I don’t believe it is that big of a deal. I don’t think the complaints about it are reasonable. I don’t why it is wrong to state that opinion. I especially don’t know why my skin color makes it wrong to state that opinion.

If you disagree with my opinion, tell me I am wrong instead of telling me shouldn’t state it.

TV’s Frink said:

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yhwx said:

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TV’s Frink said:

It’s certainly not because I’ve been saying so, although I keep hearing that I have been for some reason.

But you have been saying so. You said that white people, especially Warbler, due to white privilege, should not have an opinion on certain non-white matters. You then said that you do believe white people can, but that contradiction basically leads one to infer that you are the judge of what they should and should not have an opinion about.

I think you would agree that people can support Trump, but that they shouldn’t. Apply that concept to the conversation we’re having now.

There is a difference between disagreeing with an opinion, and thinking one shouldn’t give an opinion.

If someone saying says they support Trump, I will tell them I think they are wrong to support Trump. I will not tell them say are wrong for saying they support Trump.

Have I or anybody else say that people are wrong for merely saying their opinions?

um, yes. Both you and Frink. multiple times.

Sorry, but… source?

Was I or was I not wrong saying my opinion on the ESPN fantasy auction?

I think your opinion is wrong, but I don’t think you were wrong to say it.

Well Frink certainly thought I was wrong for saying it.

yhwx said:

Sorry, but… source?

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Was I or was I not wrong saying my opinion on the ESPN fantasy auction?

What was your opinion again? Was it that it was ok for them to have made that commercial, or was it that black people shouldn’t be offended by it?

I think it was that people were making too much of a big deal about it.

Ok, so it’s the latter. I believe you are wrong to tell black people they shouldn’t be offended by it.

That’s not your opinion on the ESPN fantasy auction, that’s your opinion on black people’s opinion of it. Big difference.

well, my opinion about the ESPN fantasy auction, is that it is no big deal. An auction is something normally done in fantasy football leagues and it contained white players.

And no, it wasn’t my opinion on black people’s opinion of it(probably not all black people think the same thing about it), it was my opinion on anybody opinion of it whom was making a big deal about it.

Ryan McAvoy said:

TV’s Frink said:

Can we just assume you’re going to agree with everything he says so you can spare us 30 more posts with the same gif?

It is of course a loop of somebody determinedly clapping something they know is wrong out of arrogance.

bullsh**

btw, did you even read what chyron8472 said in those posts that I was clapping?

yhwx said:

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yhwx said:

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yhwx said:

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yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

It’s certainly not because I’ve been saying so, although I keep hearing that I have been for some reason.

But you have been saying so. You said that white people, especially Warbler, due to white privilege, should not have an opinion on certain non-white matters. You then said that you do believe white people can, but that contradiction basically leads one to infer that you are the judge of what they should and should not have an opinion about.

I think you would agree that people can support Trump, but that they shouldn’t. Apply that concept to the conversation we’re having now.

There is a difference between disagreeing with an opinion, and thinking one shouldn’t give an opinion.

If someone saying says they support Trump, I will tell them I think they are wrong to support Trump. I will not tell them say are wrong for saying they support Trump.

Have I or anybody else say that people are wrong for merely saying their opinions?

um, yes. Both you and Frink. multiple times.

Sorry, but… source?

Was I or was I not wrong saying my opinion on the ESPN fantasy auction?

I think your opinion is wrong, but I don’t think you were wrong to say it.

Well Frink certainly thought I was wrong for saying it.

yhwx said:

Sorry, but… source?

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

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darthrush said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

In other racial news…

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/15/espn-apology-fantasy-football-auction

Yikes. Great timing.

Is this really that big of a deal? They weren’t selling black people, they were doing a FANTASY auction of football players. It also included white players. According to the article you linked too, auctions are common in fantasy football.

"Auction drafts are a common part of fantasy football, and ESPN’s segments replicated an auction draft with a diverse slate of top professional football players. Without that context, we understand the optics could be portrayed as offensive, and we apologize,” ESPN said in a statement to USA TODAY Sports.

I’ve done Fantasy for many years now and this story proves that if someone does something as simple as taking something out of context, they’ll get offended real quick.

Just once I wish you guys could admit that maybe just maybe black people could have an issue with something that you guys don’t.

Just once I wish that you guys could admit that "maybe just maybe* just because some black people have an issue with something, doesn’t automatically make it a valid complaint.

Ok, good to know. Please be sure to let black people know each time what they are allowed to have an issue with, so they can stop making the same mistake of being offended.

*sigh*

Fact: People sometimes get offended at things that aren’t reasonable to be offended over.

Once again, thanks for clarifying that for black people. I’m sure they feel much better now.

Do disagree with the fact that I stated? Are you saying it never happens that someone gets offended at something that wasn’t reasonable to get offended at? That never happens???

If a black person says they are offended because Jack White won’t change his name to Jack Black, I wouldn’t consider that reasonable. If a black person says they are offended because an ESPN sketch includes something that is reminiscent of a slave auction, I’m not gonna argue. I get that it’s fantasy football (I play) and I get that white players were there too. It’s clear ESPN did not do it intentionally. But it looks bad and there’s no reason us white people should be lecturing black people for pointing that out.

I was not lecturing anyone. I was giving my opinion. White people are allowed to have opinions and say them.

Your opinion (and darthrush;s and mfm’s) is that black people should not be upset that something with at least tangential racial connotations happened. That’s a lecture, no matter how much you want to dress it up as opinion.

And this isn’t about what you are allowed to do, it’s about what you should (or in this case should not) do. You have the right to tell people to get over racial things. But you shouldn’t.

Well, OK, then.

I’m mostly done for now because I have other things to do. Ugh.

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yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

It’s certainly not because I’ve been saying so, although I keep hearing that I have been for some reason.

But you have been saying so. You said that white people, especially Warbler, due to white privilege, should not have an opinion on certain non-white matters. You then said that you do believe white people can, but that contradiction basically leads one to infer that you are the judge of what they should and should not have an opinion about.

I think you would agree that people can support Trump, but that they shouldn’t. Apply that concept to the conversation we’re having now.

There is a difference between disagreeing with an opinion, and thinking one shouldn’t give an opinion.

If someone saying says they support Trump, I will tell them I think they are wrong to support Trump. I will not tell them say are wrong for saying they support Trump.

Have I or anybody else say that people are wrong for merely saying their opinions?

um, yes. Both you and Frink. multiple times.

Sorry, but… source?

Was I or was I not wrong saying my opinion on the ESPN fantasy auction?

I think your opinion is wrong, but I don’t think you were wrong to say it.

Well Frink certainly thought I was wrong for saying it.

yhwx said:

Sorry, but… source?

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Was I or was I not wrong saying my opinion on the ESPN fantasy auction?

What was your opinion again? Was it that it was ok for them to have made that commercial, or was it that black people shouldn’t be offended by it?

I think it was that people were making too much of a big deal about it.

Ok, so it’s the latter. I believe you are wrong to tell black people they shouldn’t be offended by it.