Warbler

generalfrevious said:

chyron8472 said:

SilverWook said:

Now things are just getting stupid.
http://ew.com/movies/2017/08/26/gone-with-the-wind-theater-canceled-screening/
For those idiots who’ve never seen the movie, spoiler alert the North wins the Civil War.

Hell will freeze over before we ever see an official release of Song Of The South now.

Yes. It’s on MySpleen, though. (Not that that was your point, but I thought I’d mention it.)

Why does this matter? The Confederacy may have lost, but it’s becoming clear the South won the Civil War.

Donald Trump will inevitably declare himself eternal president, and by 2030 all black and latinos in this country will be murdered. He has pardoned Joe Arpaio and has allowed the police to remilitazize while Houston was being wiped off the map by hurricane Harvey. He will stay in power indefinitely by destroying the system of checks and balances, like he has already done with Gorsuch and Arpaio.

I’ve PMed Silverwook about this.

I do hope I have made it clear that as much as I disagree with their decision to protest the nation anthem, I agree it is their right to do so. The Constitution protects their right to protest the national anthem, and I wouldn’t want it any other way.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Instead of repeatedly saying you are done with the conversation, you could, you know, just post about something else.

He started a conversation with me about RicOlie_2’s relationship with Sinead O’Connor and then refused to participate in it.

Sorry about that. I guess I never should have started that conversation.

It’s a fine conversation, I just don’t get why you’d start it and then refuse to respond.

Sorry it was just bad timing.

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I’d really like to hear why you think it’s wrong to protest the National Anthem. So far all I see is you saying “It’s wrong because it’s wrong,” with no reasoning as to why it’s wrong.

I answered this last year in the original politics thread. Here is what I said:

I’ll tell you why it upsets me. When the National Anthem is played, it is not a time to make a political statement,

Why not?

it is a time to show respect for the country.

Who says?

The Anthem and flag aren’t about what is going with current politics. They aren’t about Obama or the Democrats or the Republicans or the current policy of the day. They symbolize America.

And that’s what they’re protesting. They’re upset with the state of America.

Freedom,

Such freedom of speech?

justice,

Like the justice, or rather, injustice; that they’re protesting?

rights,

Perhaps the right to protest?

equality.

Which they view as very important, as evidenced by their protesting.

They symbolize the ideal, not necessary what the current politicians are doing. And yes, they symbolize all the sacrificing and fighting and dying done to make this country and to preserve it. To me, when you protest the National Anthem, you are not protesting the bad cops and racists and whatnot, you are protesting the idea of America.

They are only protesting what they choose to protest. If they’re sitting down during the national anthem to protest inequalities of some sort, then that’s all they’re protesting.

You are protesting what makes this nation great.

What really makes this nation great is it’s freedom.

You protesting those that sacrificed to make this nation great.

I thought those soldiers died for our freedom.

Finally to me, it is just an unwritten rule that years ago, no one would have thought of breaking: You don’t protest things like the flag or the Nation Anthem. You just don’t do it. It classless.

I wouldn’t use the people of the past as a moral measurement, they were pretty horrible.

Ok, I said I was done with this, but this misunderstanding of my position needs a response. I am a totally for freedom. I totally and without reservation agree that it is the right of any football player/person to protest the national anthem. It is legal and I agree with it being legal 110%. I wouldn’t want it any other way. I don’t know how I can make that clearer.

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Instead of repeatedly saying you are done with the conversation, you could, you know, just post about something else.

He started a conversation with me about RicOlie_2’s relationship with Sinead O’Connor and then refused to participate in it.

Sorry about that. I guess I never should have started that conversation.

I am done with this conversation.

I am done with this conversation.

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t remember that. I liked Sinead’s protest of the pope and Catholic Church, though.

I am sure RicOlie_2 would have something to say about that.

look, you want shit on me for thinking national anthem should be respected and not protested? fine do so. fuck it. I am done with this conversation.

ChainsawAsh said:

I’d really like to hear why you think it’s wrong to protest the National Anthem. So far all I see is you saying “It’s wrong because it’s wrong,” with no reasoning as to why it’s wrong.

I answered this last year in the original politics thread. Here is what I said:

I’ll tell you why it upsets me. When the National Anthem is played, it is not a time to make a political statement, it is a time to show respect for the country. There are 1001 ways Kaepernick could protest but no, he has to pick this one. He has to turn the playing of the National Anthem into a time to make political statements and protests. This won’t be only protest during the National Anthem, this has started a trend and now everyone will jump on the band wagon. Don’t like the President? protest the Anthem. Don’t like the current foreign and/or domestic of this country? protest the Anthem. Don’t like a certain law? protest the Anthem. You don’t like Congress? protest the Anthem. Want to save the spotted owl? protest the Anthem. That is what this will turn into. In my opinion, the Anthem should be above the politics of the day. The Anthem and flag aren’t about what is going with current politics. They aren’t about Obama or the Democrats or the Republicans or the current policy of the day. They symbolize America. Freedom, justice, rights, equality. They symbolize the ideal, not necessary what the current politicians are doing. And yes, they symbolize all the sacrificing and fighting and dying done to make this country and to preserve it. To me, when you protest the National Anthem, you are not protesting the bad cops and racists and whatnot, you are protesting the idea of America. You are protesting what makes this nation great. You protesting those that sacrificed to make this nation great. Finally to me, it is just an unwritten rule that years ago, no one would have thought of breaking: You don’t protest things like the flag or the Nation Anthem. You just don’t do it. It classless.

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

You think whatever you want. If you don’t already know why protesting the national anthem is wrong, I can’t help you.

What, no “soldiers DIED for that flag!” or anything?

no.

You think whatever you want. If you don’t already know why protesting the national anthem is wrong, I can’t help you.

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

The people protesting the national anthem are more patriotic than those offended by it.

fixed.

America was built on protest.

not protest of it own national anthem.

What’s the difference? Protest is protest.

not all protests are the same.

Yes, sitting down for the national anthem is just as horrible as claiming gay people are subhuman.

that is not what I meant or what I said.

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

The people protesting the national anthem are more patriotic than those offended by it.

fixed.

Nah, I’m pretty sure you just crossed everything out and totally missed the point 😛

patriots don’t disrespect the national anthem.

Why not, it’s not like the anthem can be upset about it. Who is it hurting?

*rolls eyes*

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

The people protesting the national anthem are more patriotic than those offended by it.

fixed.

America was built on protest.

not protest of it own national anthem.

What’s the difference? Protest is protest.

not all protests are the same.

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

The people protesting the national anthem are more patriotic than those offended by it.

fixed.

Nah, I’m pretty sure you just crossed everything out and totally missed the point 😛

patriots don’t disrespect the national anthem.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

The people protesting the national anthem are more patriotic than those offended by it.

fixed.

America was built on protest.

not protest of it own national anthem.

Jeebus said:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/348231-mexico-offers-to-help-hurricane-harvey-victims-in-texas

Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray spoke with Texas Gov. Greg Abbott ® by phone Sunday evening to offer aid “as good neighbors should always do in trying times”…

DAMN.

You know, its darn good thing that there isn’t wall between Texas and Mexico, it make it more difficult to get through to Texas.

Jeebus said:

The people protesting the national anthem are more patriotic than those offended by it.

fixed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fq4H4SAb6s

?

I changed “they disagree with your interpretation” to “protest”.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

that is why I want to know why people think they should change, so I can judge the situation myself.

Unless they protest the flag or the anthem, and then fuck politeness, and fuck choosing your words carefully and fuck being open minded.

fixed

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Uh-oh, get the outrage ready (again).

http://deadspin.com/49ers-safety-eric-reid-returns-to-kneeling-for-the-nati-1798496694

*sigh* It no longer outrages me, it now depresses me. Nothing is sacred anymore.

Relevant:

http://deadspin.com/why-is-john-lynch-so-worried-about-people-who-think-equ-1797938766

Here again is Bennett explaining why he took a seat:

“First of all I want to make sure people understand I love the military — my father was in the military,” Bennett said. “I love hot dogs like any other American. I love football like any other American. But I don’t love segregation, I don’t love riots, I don’t love oppression. I don’t love gender slander.

“I just want to see people have the equality that they deserve and I want to be able to use this platform to continuously push the message and keep finding out how unselfish we can be in society, how we can continuously love one another and understand that people are different. And just because people are different doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t like them. Just because they don’t eat what you eat, just because they don’t pray to the same God you pray to doesn’t mean you should hate them. Whether it is Muslim, whether it is Buddhist, whether it is Christianity, I just want people to understand that no matter what, we need to stay together. It’s more about being a human being at this point.”

Bennett’s message is in favor of peace and equality. Who exactly is on the other side of this divide Lynch is talking about? Is the implication that he will alienate teammates and fans who … don’t think peace and equality are a good thing?

The most frustrating thing about the whole conversation that Colin Kaepernick started last year has been people like Lynch willfully misunderstanding the message players like Kaepernick and Bennett are trying to send. First the talking point was that kneeling for the anthem is somehow disrespectful of the military—what the fuck do the troops have to do with football in the first place?—and now it’s that kneeling will somehow divide the locker room. Who is being divided, though, and from what?

That is just stupid. I agree the military has nothing to do football(other than the fact that military academies play college football). But these guys aren’t protesting football, they are protesting the national anthem. And you know what? fuck whatever message Kaepernick and Bennett are trying to say. When you send a message, no matter how good, just, and/or right, in such a shitty way, don’t expect me to listen to it. And of course peace and equality are good things. True, this alienates teammates and fans that don’t think equality and peace are good things. I don’t give shit about people like that. This is going to alienate teammates and fans who are patriots, people who love this country. You want to protest what is going on in this country? Find another way, put “black lives matter” on your uniform or something. What are they going to do next? burn the flag?

“But I don’t love segregation, I don’t love riots, I don’t love oppression. I don’t love gender slander.” This is problem. He doesn’t understand that is country, its flag and its National Anthem does not stand for these things. They stand for the opposite. The American ideal is the direction opposite of those things. I agree our country has not lived up to the American ideal and still doesn’t and some ways. Many things needed to be fixed and still do. But this country, its flag and Nation Anthem stands for freedom, justice, fairness, equality and peace. While I agree it is their right to do so(and I wouldn’t want it any other way), I will never approve of protesting the national anthem. If that bothers/offends you, frankly, I don’t give a damn.

Huh, whatever happened to

Warbler said:

I think there is a big difference between telling black people to shut up about what offends/bothers them, and simply disagreeing with them. Believe me, if I were disagree with an African American in regards to something that offends/bothers them, I would so as politely and as sensitively as I could. I would discuss the situation and choose my words very carefully. I’d also try to be as open minded as I could with them.

There is a big difference between saying people shouldn’t protest the national anthem and saying black people should shut up about what bothers or offends them.

You disagree with African Americans in regards to something that offends/bothers them, but I didn’t see anything polite or sensitive about your post. Nor does it seems like you chose your words carefully or were open minded about it.

You know what? when it comes to protesting the national anthem, fuck politeness, and fuck choosing my words carefully and fuck being open minded.

Why do you care so much about the national anthem and the flag?

Because I’m a racist.

I don’t think that’s true.

I do think that you are a big fan of the status quo and leaving well enough alone. You think things should stay the way they are in a lot of cases

maybe somewhat.

and even though you claim to want to know why people think they should change you also think they’re wrong.

not always. that is why I want to know why people think they should change, so I can judge the situation myself.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Uh-oh, get the outrage ready (again).

http://deadspin.com/49ers-safety-eric-reid-returns-to-kneeling-for-the-nati-1798496694

*sigh* It no longer outrages me, it now depresses me. Nothing is sacred anymore.

Relevant:

http://deadspin.com/why-is-john-lynch-so-worried-about-people-who-think-equ-1797938766

Here again is Bennett explaining why he took a seat:

“First of all I want to make sure people understand I love the military — my father was in the military,” Bennett said. “I love hot dogs like any other American. I love football like any other American. But I don’t love segregation, I don’t love riots, I don’t love oppression. I don’t love gender slander.

“I just want to see people have the equality that they deserve and I want to be able to use this platform to continuously push the message and keep finding out how unselfish we can be in society, how we can continuously love one another and understand that people are different. And just because people are different doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t like them. Just because they don’t eat what you eat, just because they don’t pray to the same God you pray to doesn’t mean you should hate them. Whether it is Muslim, whether it is Buddhist, whether it is Christianity, I just want people to understand that no matter what, we need to stay together. It’s more about being a human being at this point.”

Bennett’s message is in favor of peace and equality. Who exactly is on the other side of this divide Lynch is talking about? Is the implication that he will alienate teammates and fans who … don’t think peace and equality are a good thing?

The most frustrating thing about the whole conversation that Colin Kaepernick started last year has been people like Lynch willfully misunderstanding the message players like Kaepernick and Bennett are trying to send. First the talking point was that kneeling for the anthem is somehow disrespectful of the military—what the fuck do the troops have to do with football in the first place?—and now it’s that kneeling will somehow divide the locker room. Who is being divided, though, and from what?

That is just stupid. I agree the military has nothing to do football(other than the fact that military academies play college football). But these guys aren’t protesting football, they are protesting the national anthem. And you know what? fuck whatever message Kaepernick and Bennett are trying to say. When you send a message, no matter how good, just, and/or right, in such a shitty way, don’t expect me to listen to it. And of course peace and equality are good things. True, this alienates teammates and fans that don’t think equality and peace are good things. I don’t give shit about people like that. This is going to alienate teammates and fans who are patriots, people who love this country. You want to protest what is going on in this country? Find another way, put “black lives matter” on your uniform or something. What are they going to do next? burn the flag?

“But I don’t love segregation, I don’t love riots, I don’t love oppression. I don’t love gender slander.” This is problem. He doesn’t understand that is country, its flag and its National Anthem does not stand for these things. They stand for the opposite. The American ideal is the direction opposite of those things. I agree our country has not lived up to the American ideal and still doesn’t and some ways. Many things needed to be fixed and still do. But this country, its flag and Nation Anthem stands for freedom, justice, fairness, equality and peace. While I agree it is their right to do so(and I wouldn’t want it any other way), I will never approve of protesting the national anthem. If that bothers/offends you, frankly, I don’t give a damn.

Huh, whatever happened to

Warbler said:

I think there is a big difference between telling black people to shut up about what offends/bothers them, and simply disagreeing with them. Believe me, if I were disagree with an African American in regards to something that offends/bothers them, I would so as politely and as sensitively as I could. I would discuss the situation and choose my words very carefully. I’d also try to be as open minded as I could with them.

There is a big difference between saying people shouldn’t protest the national anthem and saying black people should shut up about what bothers or offends them.

You disagree with African Americans in regards to something that offends/bothers them, but I didn’t see anything polite or sensitive about your post. Nor does it seems like you chose your words carefully or were open minded about it.

You know what? when it comes to protesting the national anthem, fuck politeness, and fuck choosing my words carefully and fuck being open minded.

Why do you care so much about the national anthem and the flag?

Because I’m a racist.

HE ADMITTED IT!

WE WIN!

whatever