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I’m just noticing it now.
How did you miss it for so long? It has been the exact same size minus the one line of text added on 09/13, since before July.
Is the flag really necessary?
I like the flag there. The Uk flag of the same size was there since before July.
additionally, the last time I made a change was to change the flag to the American flag. It had been the UK in tribute to the tragedies that happen there some months ago. The time I changed it before the flag switch was went I added the words “It has been a year. I miss you so much Dad. I love you” on 09/13/2017. The sig has been exactly the same as it is now since before summer with the exception of switching the flags(both were the exact same size as each other) and the addition of the sentence. So I really don’t get the problem now all of the sudden.
Not everybody comments on things immediately when they see them. I already told you why I didn’t comment on your signature, which is also why I assume others didn’t. Just because people are commenting now doesn’t mean anything changed.
Not only did no one comment immediately, they didn’t comment for multiple weeks! And minus the one sentence and changing one flag for another of the same exact size, people have complained for multiple months!
additionally, the last time I made a change was to change the flag to the American flag. It had been the UK in tribute to the tragedies that happen there some months ago. The time I changed it before the flag switch was went I added the words “It has been a year. I miss you so much Dad. I love you” on 09/13/2017. The sig has been exactly the same as it is now since before summer with the exception of switching the flags(both were the exact same size as each other) and the addition of the sentence. So I really don’t get the problem now all of the sudden.
I am telling you it has been unchanged for multiple weeks.
That is how it has always looked.
It’s just a bit big. It’s bigger than most of your posts.
Well then it must have looked bigger than most of my posts yesterday and last week and two weeks ago.
I don’t get why you’re so bent out of shape about this. I noticed it, but didn’t want to say anything as it might interpreted as offensive due to the portions about your father.
I don’t know why people are complaining now, when I haven’t altered my sig in multiple weeks. If it looks any different than it did yesterday or a week ago, it is not my doing. Maybe Jay is playing around with the forum software or something.
That is how it has always looked.
It’s just a bit big. It’s bigger than most of your posts.
Well then it must have looked bigger than most of my posts yesterday and last week and two weeks ago.
Warbler - has your signature grown of late? It seems to be taking up half the screen.
I haven’t changed anything in my sig in while, not since I added the American flag. I did that weeks ago.
Could you consider making it a little less substantial - maybe something like this, please?:-
or
etc.
I don’t know what the problem is. My sig has been this exact same way for awhile. I haven’t altered it in multiple weeks. If it wasn’t a problem two weeks ago, if it wasn’t a problem last week, if it wasn’t a problem yesterday, why it is a problem now?
That is how it has always looked.
Well I don’t know why. I don’t see it that way on my PC. I haven’t changed anything my sig is awhile. Just what looks big? It is the text? Is it one pic? If so which one? Is it all of the pics?
She said “Fight the real enemy!” And no, no one was confused.
um, I think the powers that be at SNL were confused enough that they decided to never let back on SNL again and apologized for her actions. I don’t think they did that because they want to hide child molesters.
They did that because they didn’t want to get any negative attention from people who thought that the pope was above criticism even on a subject as severe as child abuse.
Then I assume you think SNL cowardly.
The point is that you think it’s getting worse and worse. Which is funny. Because black people would probably say what is getting worse and worse is the police killing them. But you know, protesting during the anthem is the real problem.
I think both are a problem. Obviously the wrongful killing of African Americans is a more serious problem. This does not mean that people protesting the anthem is not a problem.
It isn’t.
In your opinion.
I hate to sound like someone we all can’t stand, but you’re denying the truth here.
agree to disagree
I’d be interested in hearing ric_olie_2’s take on the incident.
He might think that SNL is an inappropriate venue for such a statement. I personally think it’s one of the most beautiful and stunning protests ever done by a musician.
I don’t think I’d call it beautiful.
It was a bold, brave, and beautiful action by a bold, brave, and beautiful woman. She timed and planned it all perfectly so that the producers wouldn’t expect it and would be unable to cut it because it was live, and she pulled out the picture as she sang the final lyric, “Evil”. And who could forget, “Fight the real enemy!” It gives me the chills every time I see it. She was so ahead of her time with it too.
agree to disagree.
I would ask why you object to her but I think that would be a can of worms not worth opening.
Somehow tearing up a pic of the Pope on live tv without any explanation given doesn’t seem like a good way of protesting. It also seems to offensive to Catholics that had nothing to do with the scandal. Do you think it would be ok to protest 911 by tearing up a pic of Muhammad on live tv without giving any explanation?
There was an explanation given.
She took the pic, tore it up, said nothing. That is not an explanation.
She changed the lyrics of the Marley song to refer to child abuse before she tore up the picture.
Do you honestly think people really had an idea why she tore up the pic? There is reason why people disliked her for awhile after that pic and it is not because people approve of the Catholic Church covering for child molesters.
Who cares if it’s offensive?
many people.
Well, I’m sure the victims of the priests that got away with rape and abuse have it a little worse than being offended by an SNL stunt.
I would agree. In fact I would say the victims of the priests have it a lot worse.
So then why dumb down the protest to spare the feelings of people who refuse to believe that the Vatican was capable of such horror?
I don’t know that protesting without tearing up a pic of the Pope means you have to dumb it down.
If the person whose picture you’re tearing up was, at least tacitly, involved in the cover up of the scandals, then you shouldn’t fear offending people that respect him.
We are talking about Religion here, its complicated.
I don’t agree.
well we will just have to disagree then. because I don’t think I have the ability to explain it to you. Perhaps RicOlie_2 could, I don’t know.
Something tells me that he couldn’t, because I don’t believe that simply because other people worship somebody then that means we should turn a blind eye, or even go easier on them when they commit atrocities.
I never said we should turn a blind eye to child abuse.
I don’t see why it’s okay to talk about how evil people like Trump are when we all know plenty of people worship him, but it’s not okay to do the same to the pope or people in positions like his.
President and Pope are two very different things.
Apparently since one can be criticized more harshly than the other, but why?
They can both be criticized. But one is just the President. The other is to Catholics the successor to Peter the Apostle and is given the Keys of Heaven and the powers of “binding and loosing”. More sensitivity is required when dealing with such an entity.
Why does religion get a pass?
I did not say it gets a pass, I said it was complicated.
Especially when we’re talking about a man that is a religious figure. She didn’t tear up a picture of Jesus Christ or anything like that. I would get people’s complaints a little more if that were the case.
She tore up picture of the guy that Catholics believe is the successor to Peter the Apostle, who Catholics believe “Jesus is said to have given the Keys of Heaven and the powers of “binding and loosing”, naming him as the “rock” upon which the church would be built” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope
I know what they believe about the pope, I’m just saying that I don’t care.
Just because you don’t care about something, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t matter.
You realize that attitudes like this are what allow these things to happen?
wanting people to be respectful of other’s religion allowed children to be molested?
Saying that we can’t harshly criticize the covering up and refusal to report child molesters because the people involved are worshiped is horrifying to me.
When did I say you couldn’t harshly criticize them?
Warbler - has your signature grown of late? It seems to be taking up half the screen.
I haven’t changed anything in my sig in while, not since I added the American flag. I did that weeks ago.
The point is that you think it’s getting worse and worse. Which is funny. Because black people would probably say what is getting worse and worse is the police killing them. But you know, protesting during the anthem is the real problem.
I think both are a problem. Obviously the wrongful killing of African Americans is a more serious problem. This does not mean that people protesting the anthem is not a problem.
It isn’t.
In your opinion.
I hate to sound like someone we all can’t stand, but you’re denying the truth here.
agree to disagree
I’d be interested in hearing ric_olie_2’s take on the incident.
He might think that SNL is an inappropriate venue for such a statement. I personally think it’s one of the most beautiful and stunning protests ever done by a musician.
I don’t think I’d call it beautiful.
It was a bold, brave, and beautiful action by a bold, brave, and beautiful woman. She timed and planned it all perfectly so that the producers wouldn’t expect it and would be unable to cut it because it was live, and she pulled out the picture as she sang the final lyric, “Evil”. And who could forget, “Fight the real enemy!” It gives me the chills every time I see it. She was so ahead of her time with it too.
agree to disagree.
I would ask why you object to her but I think that would be a can of worms not worth opening.
Somehow tearing up a pic of the Pope on live tv without any explanation given doesn’t seem like a good way of protesting. It also seems to offensive to Catholics that had nothing to do with the scandal. Do you think it would be ok to protest 911 by tearing up a pic of Muhammad on live tv without giving any explanation?
There was an explanation given.
She took the pic, tore it up, said nothing. That is not an explanation.
She changed the lyrics of the Marley song to refer to child abuse before she tore up the picture.
Do you honestly think people really had an idea why she tore up the pic? There is reason why people disliked her for awhile after that pic and it is not because people approve of the Catholic Church covering for child molesters.
Who cares if it’s offensive?
many people.
Well, I’m sure the victims of the priests that got away with rape and abuse have it a little worse than being offended by an SNL stunt.
I would agree. In fact I would say the victims of the priests have it a lot worse.
If the person whose picture you’re tearing up was, at least tacitly, involved in the cover up of the scandals, then you shouldn’t fear offending people that respect him.
We are talking about Religion here, its complicated.
I don’t agree.
well we will just have to disagree then. because I don’t think I have the ability to explain it to you. Perhaps RicOlie_2 could, I don’t know.
I don’t see why it’s okay to talk about how evil people like Trump are when we all know plenty of people worship him, but it’s not okay to do the same to the pope or people in positions like his.
President and Pope are two very different things.
Why does religion get a pass?
I did not say it gets a pass, I said it was complicated.
Especially when we’re talking about a man that is a religious figure. She didn’t tear up a picture of Jesus Christ or anything like that. I would get people’s complaints a little more if that were the case.
She tore up picture of the guy that Catholics believe is the successor to Peter the Apostle, who Catholics believe “Jesus is said to have given the Keys of Heaven and the powers of “binding and loosing”, naming him as the “rock” upon which the church would be built” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope
Hell, I think it’d all be okay even without cause and explanation honestly. They’re men, not gods. That said, in the context of protest, it’s fair, effective, intense, and powerful. In the case of Sinéad’s performance, beautiful.
agree to disagree
Nope. I don’t agree to disagree. If you don’t want to talk about this then you’ll just have to admit that you’re walking away from the discussion. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that, but agreeing to disagree tends to be a mutual decision.
fine.
Everyone: "Water is wet."
Warbler: “Agree to disagree.”
Everyone: "The sky is blue."
Warbler: “Believe what you wish.”
She said “Fight the real enemy!” And no, no one was confused.
um, I think the powers that be at SNL were confused enough that they decided to never let back on SNL again and apologized for her actions. I don’t think they did that because they want to hide child molesters.
Sorry, it looks like we’ve now moved on but I can’t let this summary of the last few pages I made go to waste:
*sigh*
The point is that you think it’s getting worse and worse. Which is funny. Because black people would probably say what is getting worse and worse is the police killing them. But you know, protesting during the anthem is the real problem.
I think both are a problem. Obviously the wrongful killing of African Americans is a more serious problem. This does not mean that people protesting the anthem is not a problem.
It isn’t.
In your opinion.
I hate to sound like someone we all can’t stand, but you’re denying the truth here.
agree to disagree
I’d be interested in hearing ric_olie_2’s take on the incident.
He might think that SNL is an inappropriate venue for such a statement. I personally think it’s one of the most beautiful and stunning protests ever done by a musician.
I don’t think I’d call it beautiful.
It was a bold, brave, and beautiful action by a bold, brave, and beautiful woman. She timed and planned it all perfectly so that the producers wouldn’t expect it and would be unable to cut it because it was live, and she pulled out the picture as she sang the final lyric, “Evil”. And who could forget, “Fight the real enemy!” It gives me the chills every time I see it. She was so ahead of her time with it too.
agree to disagree.
I would ask why you object to her but I think that would be a can of worms not worth opening.
Somehow tearing up a pic of the Pope on live tv without any explanation given doesn’t seem like a good way of protesting. It also seems to offensive to Catholics that had nothing to do with the scandal. Do you think it would be ok to protest 911 by tearing up a pic of Muhammad on live tv without giving any explanation?
There was an explanation given.
She took the pic, tore it up, said nothing. That is not an explanation.
She changed the lyrics of the Marley song to refer to child abuse before she tore up the picture.
Do you honestly think people really had an idea why she tore up the pic? There is reason why people disliked her for awhile after that pic and it is not because people approve of the Catholic Church covering for child molesters.
Who cares if it’s offensive?
many people.
If the person whose picture you’re tearing up was, at least tacitly, involved in the cover up of the scandals, then you shouldn’t fear offending people that respect him.
We are talking about Religion here, its complicated.
Hell, I think it’d all be okay even without cause and explanation honestly. They’re men, not gods. That said, in the context of protest, it’s fair, effective, intense, and powerful. In the case of Sinéad’s performance, beautiful.
agree to disagree
By the way, I’m rarely into the whole “agree to disagree” thing. I don’t like opinions that dramatically differ from mine. Who does?
too bad.
Don’t you think that’s offensive to insane people like me that don’t like opinions that dramatically differ from my own?
*sigh*
IIRC, she said Fight the real power when she tore up the photo.
I forgot about that. In any case, I am pretty sure people at the time were confused as to why she did what she did.
He’s a true American. True Americans don’t change their mind about anything, regardless of the facts laid out before them.
(I know this isn’t really true just a negative stereotype warbler happens to be the exact personification of. )
Please knock this off.
PS “Agree to disagree” only works on things that are opinions. Therefor, you can respectably say protesting DURING the anthem is disrespectful and agree to disagree on that. However, saying they are protesting the anthem itself is in violation of actual fact so anything else is simply wrong.
Believe what you wish. I am not going to argue this again.
The point is that you think it’s getting worse and worse. Which is funny. Because black people would probably say what is getting worse and worse is the police killing them. But you know, protesting during the anthem is the real problem.
I think both are a problem. Obviously the wrongful killing of African Americans is a more serious problem. This does not mean that people protesting the anthem is not a problem.
It isn’t.
In your opinion.
I hate to sound like someone we all can’t stand, but you’re denying the truth here.
agree to disagree
I’d be interested in hearing ric_olie_2’s take on the incident.
He might think that SNL is an inappropriate venue for such a statement. I personally think it’s one of the most beautiful and stunning protests ever done by a musician.
I don’t think I’d call it beautiful.
It was a bold, brave, and beautiful action by a bold, brave, and beautiful woman. She timed and planned it all perfectly so that the producers wouldn’t expect it and would be unable to cut it because it was live, and she pulled out the picture as she sang the final lyric, “Evil”. And who could forget, “Fight the real enemy!” It gives me the chills every time I see it. She was so ahead of her time with it too.
agree to disagree.
I would ask why you object to her but I think that would be a can of worms not worth opening.
Somehow tearing up a pic of the Pope on live tv without any explanation given doesn’t seem like a good way of protesting. It also seems to offensive to Catholics that had nothing to do with the scandal. Do you think it would be ok to protest 911 by tearing up a pic of Muhammad on live tv without giving any explanation?
There was an explanation given.
She took the pic, tore it up, said nothing. That is not an explanation.
She changed the lyrics of the Marley song to refer to child abuse before she tore up the picture.
Do you honestly think people really had an idea why she tore up the pic? There is reason why people disliked her for awhile after that pic and it is not because people approve of the Catholic Church covering for child molesters.
Who cares if it’s offensive?
many people.
If the person whose picture you’re tearing up was, at least tacitly, involved in the cover up of the scandals, then you shouldn’t fear offending people that respect him.
We are talking about Religion here, its complicated.
Hell, I think it’d all be okay even without cause and explanation honestly. They’re men, not gods. That said, in the context of protest, it’s fair, effective, intense, and powerful. In the case of Sinéad’s performance, beautiful.
agree to disagree
By the way, I’m rarely into the whole “agree to disagree” thing. I don’t like opinions that dramatically differ from mine. Who does?
too bad.
Don’t you think that’s offensive to insane people like me that don’t like opinions that dramatically differ from my own?
*sigh*
The point is that you think it’s getting worse and worse. Which is funny. Because black people would probably say what is getting worse and worse is the police killing them. But you know, protesting during the anthem is the real problem.
I think both are a problem. Obviously the wrongful killing of African Americans is a more serious problem. This does not mean that people protesting the anthem is not a problem.
It isn’t.
Why even bother arguing with him when he still doesn’t even understand what’s happening after having it spelled out for him upwards of 20 times? They. Are. Not. Protesting. The. Anthem. Protesting the anthem and protesting DURING the anthem for exposure aren’t the same fucking thing but I don’t know why I’m bothering to explain this because I know you still won’t accept it.
We will just have to agree to disagree on whether or not they are protesting the anthem.
The anthem is just a vehicle for their protest. Why can’t you accept that?
Because I don’t think the anthem should be used that way.
This is not a question of whether you think the anthem should be used that way. This is a question of what it’s actually being used for.
You just said before that the anthem is being used as vehicle for protest. I don’t want it used that way. I am entitled to that opinion.
And you can say that. But what you are additionally saying is that the protests are protests of the anthem. That’s just false.
agree to disagree
What’s the general consensus on Wesley Crusher here? Was he irredeemably horrible or just poorly written most of the time. He doesn’t bother me at all in episodes like First Duty and Coming of Age, but his good episodes are so few and far between.
Don’t know, but the way his character was handled in “Journey’s End” does bother me. It really bothers me that Nemesis seems to totally ignore the events of “Journey’s End” and Wesley is shown standing next to his mother back in Starfleet uniform like nothing happened.
The point is that you think it’s getting worse and worse. Which is funny. Because black people would probably say what is getting worse and worse is the police killing them. But you know, protesting during the anthem is the real problem.
I think both are a problem. Obviously the wrongful killing of African Americans is a more serious problem. This does not mean that people protesting the anthem is not a problem.
It isn’t.
In your opinion.
I hate to sound like someone we all can’t stand, but you’re denying the truth here.
agree to disagree
I’d be interested in hearing ric_olie_2’s take on the incident.
He might think that SNL is an inappropriate venue for such a statement. I personally think it’s one of the most beautiful and stunning protests ever done by a musician.
I don’t think I’d call it beautiful.
It was a bold, brave, and beautiful action by a bold, brave, and beautiful woman. She timed and planned it all perfectly so that the producers wouldn’t expect it and would be unable to cut it because it was live, and she pulled out the picture as she sang the final lyric, “Evil”. And who could forget, “Fight the real enemy!” It gives me the chills every time I see it. She was so ahead of her time with it too.
agree to disagree.
I would ask why you object to her but I think that would be a can of worms not worth opening.
Somehow tearing up a pic of the Pope on live tv without any explanation given doesn’t seem like a good way of protesting. It also seems to offensive to Catholics that had nothing to do with the scandal. Do you think it would be ok to protest 911 by tearing up a pic of Muhammad on live tv without giving any explanation?
By the way, I’m rarely into the whole “agree to disagree” thing. I don’t like opinions that dramatically differ from mine. Who does?
too bad.
The point is that you think it’s getting worse and worse. Which is funny. Because black people would probably say what is getting worse and worse is the police killing them. But you know, protesting during the anthem is the real problem.
I think both are a problem. Obviously the wrongful killing of African Americans is a more serious problem. This does not mean that people protesting the anthem is not a problem.
It isn’t.
Why even bother arguing with him when he still doesn’t even understand what’s happening after having it spelled out for him upwards of 20 times? They. Are. Not. Protesting. The. Anthem. Protesting the anthem and protesting DURING the anthem for exposure aren’t the same fucking thing but I don’t know why I’m bothering to explain this because I know you still won’t accept it.
We will just have to agree to disagree on whether or not they are protesting the anthem.
The anthem is just a vehicle for their protest. Why can’t you accept that?
Because I don’t think the anthem should be used that way.
This is not a question of whether you think the anthem should be used that way. This is a question of what it’s actually being used for.
You just said before that the anthem is being used as vehicle for protest. I want it used that way. I am entitled to that opinion.
That’s a real sudden change of heart. Glad we can put this issue to rest.
*sigh* typo corrected.
Frink you’re forgetting about 'Murrica!
The point is that you think it’s getting worse and worse. Which is funny. Because black people would probably say what is getting worse and worse is the police killing them. But you know, protesting during the anthem is the real problem.
I think both are a problem. Obviously the wrongful killing of African Americans is a more serious problem. This does not mean that people protesting the anthem is not a problem.
It isn’t.
In your opinion.
I hate to sound like someone we all can’t stand, but you’re denying the truth here.
agree to disagree
I’d be interested in hearing ric_olie_2’s take on the incident.
He might think that SNL is an inappropriate venue for such a statement. I personally think it’s one of the most beautiful and stunning protests ever done by a musician.
I don’t think I’d call it beautiful.
It was a bold, brave, and beautiful action by a bold, brave, and beautiful woman. She timed and planned it all perfectly so that the producers wouldn’t expect it and would be unable to cut it because it was live, and she pulled out the picture as she sang the final lyric, “Evil”. And who could forget, “Fight the real enemy!” It gives me the chills every time I see it. She was so ahead of her time with it too.
agree to disagree.
The point is that you think it’s getting worse and worse. Which is funny. Because black people would probably say what is getting worse and worse is the police killing them. But you know, protesting during the anthem is the real problem.
I think both are a problem. Obviously the wrongful killing of African Americans is a more serious problem. This does not mean that people protesting the anthem is not a problem.
It isn’t.
Why even bother arguing with him when he still doesn’t even understand what’s happening after having it spelled out for him upwards of 20 times? They. Are. Not. Protesting. The. Anthem. Protesting the anthem and protesting DURING the anthem for exposure aren’t the same fucking thing but I don’t know why I’m bothering to explain this because I know you still won’t accept it.
We will just have to agree to disagree on whether or not they are protesting the anthem.
The anthem is just a vehicle for their protest. Why can’t you accept that?
Because I don’t think the anthem should be used that way.
This is not a question of whether you think the anthem should be used that way. This is a question of what it’s actually being used for.
You just said before that the anthem is being used as vehicle for protest. I don’t want it used that way. I am entitled to that opinion.
