Warbler

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Democrats have been completely awful and untrustworthy. They wail and gnash their teeth about a further FBI background check but they fail to make any efforts, even behind closed doors, to investigate. They should have referred the matter to the FBI and the Chairman of the Committee right away. There is no excuse for that failure.

Should they make efforts behind doors to investigate? Yes.

Should they have referred the matter to the FBI and Chairman of the Committee right away? Yes.

Should the FBI be allowed to investigate now? Yes, I don’t see a good reason not to. Seems like the only excuse they can find for not allowing the FBI to investigate now is the fact that the Dems should have given to the FBI sooner. Well the question isn’t really what should have happened earlier, it’s what should happen now. I see no reason to not let the FBI investigate. If there is (other than that should have been done earlier), pleaese tell me.

The FBI would do what the Committee is responsible and able to do: follow leads and interview witnesses. The essential role of the FBI in a nomination process is to identify potential issues for Congress. I don’t know whether the FBI could subpoena witnesses who do not want to testify in this kind of situation, but the Committee can. The Democrats aim is to (at least) delay and that is what Republicans are fighting against.

But if a delay is what is needed to be able to investigate these claims thoroughly and justly, why not do it?

That is why Grassley isn’t subpoenaing witnesses. It’s why the White House isn’t asking for a halt in the process to allow the FBI to take over. There is the idea that even if Kavanaugh is innocent (as Republicans are apt to believe) then allowing a drawn-out investigation about an alleged event 36 years ago is unlikely to clear Kavanaugh. So for them it’s just a big waste of time.

I don’t see how investigating finding out more info about these claims is waste. Maybe it won’t uncover anything new or important, but maybe it will. I say in the interest of justice, do it.

The idea today was allowing the only potentially credible witness against him to say everything she wanted and to hear Kavanaugh’s denial to provide a opportunity to evaluate credibility. If there were any other solid evidence or witness to back up the claims, that would have been presented too.

Why about this other guy that was there. Shouldn’t he testify before they vote?

The FBI investigation idea does look tempting, with the hope that there is some evidence somewhere that would definitely resolve the issue one way or another. Right now that looks unlikely.

I say in the interest of justice, do it.

What about the other accusations? shouldn’t they be investigated too?

Questions lurking in the background include: why would someone with as an otherwise impeccable background have been a violent sexual maniac that one time?

It might be more than one time. There two other women accusing him of wrong doing.

If the allegation is true, how does that relate to who he has been in the 35 years since and his qualifications for the job on the Court?

If the allegation is true, he is guilty of sexual assault. In the minds of many that would automatically disqualify him. I’d be very uncomfortable having a someone guilty of sexual assault on the US Supreme Court. Maybe he has changed since then, but maybe he hasn’t. He was never brought to justice for it and this woman suffered serious mental trauma and had to have therapy. Can we really find no one more suitable? (this is all assuming the allegation is true).

Mrebo said:

Democrats have been completely awful and untrustworthy. They wail and gnash their teeth about a further FBI background check but they fail to make any efforts, even behind closed doors, to investigate. They should have referred the matter to the FBI and the Chairman of the Committee right away. There is no excuse for that failure.

Should they make efforts behind doors to investigate? Yes.

Should they have referred the matter to the FBI and Chairman of the Committee right away? Yes.

Should the FBI be allowed to investigate now? Yes, I don’t see a good reason not to. Seems like the only excuse they can find for not allowing the FBI to investigate now is the fact that the Dems should have given to the FBI sooner. Well the question isn’t really what should have happened earlier, it’s what should happen now. I see no reason to not let the FBI investigate. If there is (other than that should have been done earlier), pleaese tell me.

CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

Impossible to know if Ford’s allegation against Kavanaugh is true. Partisans are going to believe what they want.

Without calling witnesses, that’s certainly the likely outcome. That’s why I bemoaned how little time was spent on the details that could steer things away from he-said/she-said.

All other named witnesses have no recollection of any such behavior or events.

What people say to the press and what they say under penalty of perjury are sometimes two very different things. If he wants to say that under oath, that’s fine. Give him that opportunity.

one uncorroborated claim of assault

Corroboration has degrees–parts can be corroborated if not the whole. You can corroborate that the claim predates the nomination, for example, so while the public revelation may be political, the underlying claim certainly isn’t. There’s also a witness that I believe should be called to testify who may or may not provide more corroborating detail. I’d describe it as one partly-corroborated claim with a yet-to-be-questioned witness, and other uncorroborated claims. YMMV.

It’s not a good look for anyone, but this is apparently how our government operates.

Weird how under such a dysfunctional, dramatic environment, Gorsuch sailed through the same Senate recently without even a mention of him assaulting anyone. It may just be equally possible that government always works like it did for Gorsuch, but only when you studiously avoid assaulting people.

I don’t think it is all that shocking that a man has never assaulted anyone as make it out to be.

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Here’s how it seems to be going down tomorrow. They are actually going to try to go for confirmation on schedule. No withdrawal, no three-day delay for FBI investigation of newly-revealed materials. Full steam ahead.

We have several people now with stories of Kav engaging in sexual assault, with varying degrees of witnesses, evidence that the stories were shared years ago (not just invented for this confirmation), sworn affidavits, and so on. And Kav perjuring himself at every opportunity doesn’t help his case. He couldn’t even manage a fluff interview on Fox without verifiably lying about his underage drinking.

They can’t turn any of that off, but they can increase the noise in an attempt to drown out the signal. Now suddenly at the last minute, in addition to these women with plausible stories, corroboration, and names, it looks like we suddenly have a new raft of even more sensational stories–but anonymous this time, with no paper trail, no names, no nothing, and trivial to simply deny. And two men have volunteered to the committee that they assaulted Dr. Ford instead of Kav (because not only could that mistaken identity thing be for real, but being assaulted by two guys makes it un-possible to be assaulted by a third…it’s a little-known medical fact, and, oh yeah, people jump up and confess to sexual assault all the time when they’re not even under suspicion). Presumably, the idea is to have the bulk of the hearing’s time devoted to unsubstantiated phantom assaults everyone knows didn’t happen, hoping that the other ones with witnesses and corroboration become less believable by association. Or maybe they’ll run out of time before they have the chance to discuss them at all.

It’s brutally cynical and transparent. And it can work because it doesn’t even have to convince a single person. It just allows the Senators to say with a straight face after-the-fact “Who could possibly have known four of the seventeen assaults discussed at the hearing were for real? Most of them seemed so farfetched, so we voted to confirm.” It also shows who’s driving this, and how desperately they want it–if more than one Republican Senator steps out of line and this vote fails, you can bet they’re getting primaried and worse.

Primaried?

That means the party will try to get them to lose the next primary election by supporting a different candidate that supports status quo party views. Voting against the party has a potential consequence of the party throwing its money behind someone else and you lose your job.

Ah, of course.

CatBus said:

Here’s how it seems to be going down tomorrow. They are actually going to try to go for confirmation on schedule. No withdrawal, no three-day delay for FBI investigation of newly-revealed materials. Full steam ahead.

We have several people now with stories of Kav engaging in sexual assault, with varying degrees of witnesses, evidence that the stories were shared years ago (not just invented for this confirmation), sworn affidavits, and so on. And Kav perjuring himself at every opportunity doesn’t help his case. He couldn’t even manage a fluff interview on Fox without verifiably lying about his underage drinking.

They can’t turn any of that off, but they can increase the noise in an attempt to drown out the signal. Now suddenly at the last minute, in addition to these women with plausible stories, corroboration, and names, it looks like we suddenly have a new raft of even more sensational stories–but anonymous this time, with no paper trail, no names, no nothing, and trivial to simply deny. And two men have volunteered to the committee that they assaulted Dr. Ford instead of Kav (because not only could that mistaken identity thing be for real, but being assaulted by two guys makes it un-possible to be assaulted by a third…it’s a little-known medical fact, and, oh yeah, people jump up and confess to sexual assault all the time when they’re not even under suspicion). Presumably, the idea is to have the bulk of the hearing’s time devoted to unsubstantiated phantom assaults everyone knows didn’t happen, hoping that the other ones with witnesses and corroboration become less believable by association. Or maybe they’ll run out of time before they have the chance to discuss them at all.

It’s brutally cynical and transparent. And it can work because it doesn’t even have to convince a single person. It just allows the Senators to say with a straight face after-the-fact “Who could possibly have known four of the seventeen assaults discussed at the hearing were for real? Most of them seemed so farfetched, so we voted to confirm.” It also shows who’s driving this, and how desperately they want it–if more than one Republican Senator steps out of line and this vote fails, you can bet they’re getting primaried and worse.

Primaried?

And it’s just bizarre–there are tons of extremely conservative justices who wouldn’t have any assaults in their background–the Senate just confirmed one last year for crying out loud. No, it’s not just any super-conservative judge Trump wants, because he could (and did) get that quite easily. It’s Kavanaugh in particular he wants, and he’s pulling out all the stops to make sure it happens, public opinion and midterms be damned.

They probably want to push this now because who knows how much more difficult it may be if they have to start over again and maybe try to confirm a conservative after the election.

I can’t see this strategy sitting at all well with Murkowski, so I think she’s a “No” vote at this point. But there’d have to be another, and I don’t think my second-choice candidate Flake will do it, so it squeaks by.

Too bad McCain isn’t still alive.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/julie-swetnick-revealed-michael-avenatti-145917533.html

Never thought I’d see this

Possessed said:

And sorry to hear that warbler. Life can really be sad sometimes.

Thanks.

Possessed said:

Forward.

ditto.

Would those that pray please pray for family from my church. This family I have known all my life. The parents had a son couple of years older than I am. He had rare disease that caused dwarfism among other difficulties. He and his parents preserved throughout his life. They had every reason to be angry with God, but they were not. He and his parents were an inspiration. For over 40 years he and his parents have had to struggle and cope with this and the last few years have especially difficult. He was in and out of the hospital, had a lot of difficulty with breathing and with talking. At one point they had to have Tracheal tube inserted. Today, we have heard that he passed away. I ask those that pray to pray for his parents and their own family.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg5O2y1UXw4

Collipso said:

Gary Kurtz… may the force be with him. always.

ditto. 😦

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2nd-woman-accuses-brett-kavanaugh-sexual-misconduct-report/story?id=58031736

Is a Nute Gunray joke really appropriate here? And it’s apparently up to three accusers now.

Maybe not. I certainly didn’t mean to offend anyone, and definitely no disrespect intended to the accusers in this case. I will delete the pic.

I haven’t seen anything about a third accuser, link?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2nd-woman-accuses-brett-kavanaugh-sexual-misconduct-report/story?id=58031736

Thank you, Dek.

Handman said:

I don’t really want to discuss this further.

and you don’t have too.

But we are here if you change your mind.

Possessed said:

But dahmage you don’t understand. In the series where the main character is a different body every time they had the audacity to make one of them a woman. A WOMAN. You don’t just make a character that changes bodies all the time inhabit a female body. What do you think this is, Star Trek? It’s Dr. Who, not Who is Dex.

a Trill is not the same as a Timelord.

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

What I would preferred instead is having a new spinoff series where the lead is a female timelord(I think in the old show they referred to them as timeladies).

OMG. Get over it already.

calm down.

ChainsawAsh said:

which was also an issue for the original IMAX prints if I remember right.

So you are saying the issue was there when it was in the theaters?

What I would preferred instead is having a new spinoff series where the lead is a female timelord(I think in the old show they referred to them as timeladies).

ChainsawAsh said:

Well, first, he saw a print that would’ve been made back on 2008, not a digital copy. Second, Christopher Nolan doesn’t like digital, so he tries to keep his stuff film-based as much as possible. Third, the original BR release of TDK had a lot of problems, and color was one of them; the recent 4K UHD restoration (which went back to the negatives, meaning the color would have to be retimed) didn’t come with a 1080p copy of the new restoration, and there is, of course, controversy in the film community about the color timing choices of the UHD restoration anyway.

I have the original BR release, I never noticed the issues with color timing. What other issues does it have?

Handman said:

… in tears. She didn’t see.

Sorry, Handman. I wish it had gone better for you.

Warbler said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

I’ll leave the conversation there - as it wasn’t about you (or anything to do with this site)

In that case, I apologize. Next you may want to it more clear what it is you are talking about.

To be clear, I meant “Next time you may want to it more clear what it is you are talking about.”

Gosh, I really do need to proofread better, I left out the word “make”.

It should have originally read “Next time you may want to make it more clear what it is you are talking about.”

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

I’ll leave the conversation there - as it wasn’t about you (or anything to do with this site)

In that case, I apologize. Next you may want to it more clear what it is you are talking about.

To be clear, I meant “Next time you may want to it more clear what it is you are talking about.”

or you could try not taking offense or assuming offense was intended.

I have admitted I rushed to judgement. I am sorry I did that. I was wrong.

screams in the void said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVXekzwkz10

I hate Carlin. Yeah, not voting and instead staying home and masturbating will solve everything, sure.

btw, I voted but I didn’t vote for Trump, so I have every right to complain.

Warbler said:

oojason said:

I’ll leave the conversation there - as it wasn’t about you (or anything to do with this site)

In that case, I apologize. Next you may want to it more clear what it is you are talking about.

To be clear, I meant “Next time you may want to it more clear what it is you are talking about.”