Warbler

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

Citing equality doesn’t really fit, because they are not equal. Saying a woman should be paid as much as a man because a woman’s ability or intelligence is equal is not the same thing as saying women’s bodies, which are not identical to men’s, should be treated identically. Having a woman cover her breasts does not lower her social standing or make her to be inferior to a man.

Let’s turn the tables. Is the argument that a certain part of a man’s body should be censored because it’s different from that part on a woman a valid argument to you?

I don’t think it is censored because it different. I think there are reasons other than simply it being different as to why it is censored, and those reasons are potentially sound.

Women’s breasts aren’t just different-and-that’s-it. Men have sexual responses to them. Women have clothing that accentuates them. Women and men both treat women’s physical bodies differently than women and men both treat men’s bodies. Women have different attractions to men than men do to women, and so arguing that men’s bodies and women’s bodies should be treated equally (or identically) “because” isn’t reason enough to not treat the differently.

You don’t think women have sexual responses to men’s exposed chests?

are now going to try to tell me that women’s sexual responses to men’s exposed chests = men’s sexual responses to women’s exposed chests?

Part of the reason why men have such pent up attraction to breasts is by the nature that most of the time they are concealed - if they were more common place, this wouldn’t necessarily be the case.

um, no. It is not just because they are covered up most of the time. It is also due to biology, it is just the way our bodies work.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

To move on to another note for a bit, here’s some YouTube videos

No.

remind me, what is your aversion to youtube videos again?

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

Frink, you wouldn’t have any issue if your wife or daughter walked around topless?

Nowhere did I say I think women should walk around topless.

You sure seemed to be implying it. Why shouldn’t women walk around topless if men can? You should tell your female family members to do so, you don’t want to oppress them do you?

I merely disputed Warb’s assertion that men’s and women’s bodies are treated equally.

They are treated equally, they just have different private parts.

dahmage said:

its time to talk about the sexual assault charges against Donald Trump again.

https://www.npr.org/2016/10/13/497799354/a-list-of-donald-trumps-accusers-of-inappropriate-sexual-conduct

But Hillary’s emails

yhwx said:

There is a particular male-centered-ness to Warbler’s and chyron’s arguments. Why does the male body have to be the standard that we measure women against?

chyron8472 said:

People are not equal. Women and men are biologically different. Women are not inferior, but telling women to cover their breasts does not assume or imply this.

exactly.

DominicCobb said:

Women’s hair is different than men’s. I guess we need to cover that up.

Now that I think of it, women’s faces are different too. We should probably also cover that up.

*sigh*

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t.

Yes. So what?

It’s just stupid to have that inequality. All people should be treated equally.

It is not inequality.

TV’s Frink said:

“A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.”
“Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.”

How is this a confusing or controversial response? Is it wrong? Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t.

female breasts = private part, private parts need to be covered up. how is that confusing?

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.

Because it somehow helped?

Not that I can see.

It could have helped.

By getting more diverse people to join the forum?

The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.

And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.

Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.

Frank your Majesty said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.

A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.

Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.

Really?

Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?

What are you even talking about?

Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.

But what makes a woman’s nipple more private than a man’s?

Read Chyron’s post.

chyron8472 said:

[snip] (accidental quote instead of edit.)

I don’t get it?

Sorry, I meant read this post of Chyron’s:

chyron8472 said:

Women’s bodies are treated differently than men’s bodies, in part, because men are physically and hormonally affected differently by physical appearance than women and because American culture at large grew out of a more puritanical lifestyle.

To say that things should change because they’ve always been the same is equally as arbitrary as saying that things should remain the same for the same reason.

For example, the reason why women wear bras now instead of corsets has less to do with cultural progressiveness toward women, but more to do with the push to save metal needed to otherwise use in World War I. And while we look down on the use of corsets today, plenty of women back in the day weren’t as bothered by it since it was just part of the culture.

See also: Today I Found Out: How WWI Got Women to Start Wearing Bras

Just because you are progressive and believe women should not have to wear swimsuits that cover their breasts, that does not make their acceptance by the culture objectively wrong and worthy of change. As far as not wearing a bra, I’ve been married long enough to know that there is something to be said for the support they give with regard to any amount of exercise.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.

A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.

Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.

Really?

Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?

What are you even talking about?

Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.

But what makes a woman’s nipple more private than a man’s?

Read Chyron’s post.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.

A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.

Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.

Really?

Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?

What are you even talking about?

Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.

What the fuck.

I’m starting to think you’ve never seen a woman.

???

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.

A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.

Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.

Really?

Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?

What are you even talking about?

Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.

A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.

Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.

Really?

Warbler.

What?

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.

A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.

Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.

Really?

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

I don’t get where the inequality is, and find it frankly perverted we have a bunch of men here telling women to go topless. This argument is dumb. That’s the last I’ll have of it.

Haha okay. I never even considered it an issue until I became aware of the “free the nipple” movement that was lead by women, fucking obviously. I’m sorry you can’t put yourself in their shoes and you’re too prude to give them that freedom.

There is a movement called “free the nipple”? Why/how does covering up the nipple oppress women?

You need to free your nipple so you can unlearn what you have learned.

???

Did you free your nipple yet? If not, I can’t answer your question.

*sigh*

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

I don’t get where the inequality is, and find it frankly perverted we have a bunch of men here telling women to go topless. This argument is dumb. That’s the last I’ll have of it.

Haha okay. I never even considered it an issue until I became aware of the “free the nipple” movement that was lead by women, fucking obviously. I’m sorry you can’t put yourself in their shoes and you’re too prude to give them that freedom.

There is a movement called “free the nipple”? Why/how does covering up the nipple oppress women?

You need to free your nipple so you can unlearn what you have learned.

???

Possessed said:

Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.

A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

I don’t get where the inequality is, and find it frankly perverted we have a bunch of men here telling women to go topless. This argument is dumb. That’s the last I’ll have of it.

Haha okay. I never even considered it an issue until I became aware of the “free the nipple” movement that was lead by women, fucking obviously. I’m sorry you can’t put yourself in their shoes and you’re too prude to give them that freedom.

There is a movement called “free the nipple”? Why/how does covering up the nipple oppress women?

moviefreakedmind said:

because nobody wants to see any of these people topless.

Nobody? Pretty sure some men want to see women topless.

ray_afraid said:

^ Well said.
And I’m with MFM. Everybody keep yer shirt on in public.

What about the beach or pool?

Yeah, I mean I knew it wasn’t serious. Doctor Who was already canceled and replaced with Kelvin-Doctor Who, where TimeLords can change gender.

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

There is no reasoning for any of it. It’s entirely historical. In some cultures, women don’t have to hide their breasts at all. In some, they have to hide their ankles.

Doctor Who: cancelled.

I bet Warbler’s going to be confused by this.

nope, I got the joke.

SilverWook said:

Should have added facepalms of someone from Enterprise, Kelvin Trek, and Discovery.