Hal 9000 said:
I’m leaving the Imperial March in order to imply as strongly as I can that these are old imperial ships
+1
Well, here’s the scene with a temp audio clip for Palpatine. Could select a different portion to use, but having the static conclusion to prompt the crowd reaction seems to work.
JEDIT: https://vimeo.com/442206729
This is already pretty good but I think it can be improved further, due to:
If there were ten seconds more footage we could get most of the message in, ideally.
I agree with you here. Maybe this is one instance in which one could actually either reuse 2 or 3 seconds of an ealier (or later) shot. Do that three times and we got it. For example, we could simply add a still image of the C3PO-shot later (“Exogol does not appear…)” as C3PO has no facial expressions anyway, same for R2.
Gives them both a little more screen presence (as they are part of the “party” of these movies) AND gives us a few previous seconds.
Maybe the same can even be achived with Maz (the shot from this scene later), which would establish her presence as well.
Everyone listening to the message, that is the idea here right?
Hoop28 said:
… but his revisited films go a little overboard for my tastes.
Yes, but most of these things are being reigned in for the ANH:HD release.
Well I’m not a fan of the shockwaves anyway, and I didn’t really have great ways to remove the other two. I didn’t want the battle of Yavin to only have one OOT shot at the most critical moment. So I removed the DSII shockwave so it’s not like all OT and only OT explosions have them.
So a big fancy CGI explosion without a shockwave would be okay?
Actually, Adywan has already released a look at what Alderaan’s explosion will be like in HD ANH:R, and yes, there is a quite a magnificent shockwave if I may say so myself:
Sorry for the off-topic that that is a wonderful sample reel.
Seconding Adywan’s work.
I don’t think so, guys. I don’t think it really belongs there, so I’m gonna cut that off.
I really hope we produce an archive of all the great special effects scenes the people of this forum are creating for this edit. After all, not everything is going to make it in the final edit BUT many ideas are worthy nonetheless.
While that would be nice, the quality we got those scenes in prevents that.
Hm, I think I need this as well. Looks like what I would have wished the prequels were… …namely, Star Wars that is a little different but well written.
The goal “Make as seamless and professional an edit as possible” is what has convinced me to request a PM now, as I fully agree with your statement regarding the immersion of edits. I want to be entertained first, not plainly see what someone else did change there. Analysis can come afterwards 😉
This probably isn’t helped by having all the chatter on a single channel, but that’s how comm chatter has to be.
I’ll reduce the overall volume of content here before tossing the whole idea, even if severely.
I think the real goal here is something like StarTrek: First Contact did, an inaudible undertone with, small clearly understandable “vignettes” in one of my favorite scenes of the movie:
I also believe that one of the unsolved questions in this community is how to produce versions of the prequel’s deleted scenes suitable for fan-edits, as having deleted scenes indistinguishable from at least 1080p footage would be a really big help for various fan-edit projects out there.
Your post goes into a similar direction, so may I redirect you to this post of mine:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Best-HD-Versions-of-Prequel-Deleted-Scenes/id/49632/page/2#1345185
I have made some experiments, but my rig here is far too weak unfortunaly. The guy I am quoting in that post employing an Nvidia Titan XP, something my PC can only dream of.
But maybe you can help?
Vidmaster said:
I reached out to various people I know from all over the internet who performed various successful upscaling projects I know of. Basically, the plan is to accumulate some additional knowledge and maybe get to know some variants in technique.Having deleted scenes indistinguishable from at least 1080p footage would be a really big help for various fan-edit projects out there.
The results are in, mostly standard stuff like “I just run Gigapixel”. HOWEVER there was one answer in particular I want to highlight. Its from someone who is working on (and was mostly very successful) in upscaling old Full-Motion-Video Games:
For the upscaling part of the process, he is using a combination of Topaz Labs’ Video Enhance AI and Gigapixel AI. The former is specifically for upscaling video and the latter for still images.
The first step is to do a pass with Video Enhance AI, checking if there are any spots where it didn’t do a particularly good job. Afterwards, he hecks if he can improve on that sequence frame-by-frame with Gigapixel AI. That second step can be a really arduous process, obviously.
A couple of other Gigapixel-packages (DeNoise AI and Sharpen AI in particular) can be very useful - but given the resource-intensive nature of the work, coupled with the inevitable trial-and-error process to see what works and what doesn’t, it can be a very lengthy process to attempt to use all of them.
In addition, he also employs use AVIsynth+ a lot for cleaning up footage before upscaling it (since some of the original footage he is working on is terribly messing, compressed, sometimes interlaced, and so on). In particular, he mentioned to me that I might “find this necessary for some of your upscales, depending on the quality of your source footage. If they’re fully-completed-and-mastered-but-just-deleted scenes from DVD extras, they should do just fine in terms of quality - but depending on the DVD region/interlacing, you might need do a bit of that to clean up quality before you upscale.”
Eventually, I hope to get around to creating proper 4K upscales of deleted scenes using Gigapixel AI, but in the mean time HAL9000 has the best upscales currently around.
I reached out to various people I know from all over the internet who performed various successful upscaling projects I know of. Basically, the plan is to accumulate some additional knowledge and maybe get to know some variants in technique.
Having deleted scenes indistinguishable from at least 1080p footage would be a really big help for various fan-edit projects out there.
Seconding that.
Disaster of a movie but my fascination with it remains.
Yes, pretty much so. In the director’s commentary track back on the DVD, they mentioned that once they decided to remove the petition-plotthread, the entire rebellion-thing had to go. Unfortunently, the movie works way better with it.
This is all looking very good from my end, aka an outsiders’ perspective.
Let me just say that these people a very very right:
fidodido said:
Rey’s parents really shouldn’t matter. They sold her for drinking-money, and as far as I’m concerned, they can just as well already have died of liver cirrhosis or something. Somewhere, sometime. Doesn’t matter.stevepaynter said:
The less we hear about Rey parents in Ep9 the better. Best to continue with the TLJ plot line and keep Rey Nobody and deadbeat parents as is. IMO the whole Rey and Palpatine grandkid dynamic just doesn’t work. I understand what they were going for, but the execution of it was a failure.
In regards to the “Rey killed her parents”-twist idea, I am somewhat torn. I agree that it would be a really cool twist and is probably doable with the material, plus inserting a child’s hand, some desert background and some lighting is achievable as well. On the other hand, what exactly does this accomplish despite having a twist?
One thing I would really like to see is somehow, retroactively, giving some more meaning to Rey’s vision in the dark-side cave in Ep8.
DominicCobb said:
I will say Finn will definitely be force sensitive, regardless. The question is just if I’m cutting the “I never told you Rey!” stuff.
The whole not-telling-thing needs to go but making Finn force-sensitive or implying it seems to go a bit far for my liking.
Also, what is everyone feeling about the lesbian kiss at the celebration near the end of the movie? Is this something that will be on the cut list? Did it feel forced and out of place for a Star Wars movie?
No its perfectly fine and we do not need to follow censorship rules in Singapore and the whatnot. Let everyone kiss whomever they want.
Most disappointing: The utter incompetence of the writers in regards to World Building, especially in Ep7
Most satisfying: John Williams’ score, especially in Ep9 interestingly enough. The clever cues push all the nostalgia buttons.
This is a terribly generic question…
Okay, here is one: In the (now Legends) X-Wing Novels by Michael Stackpole, a central plot point is a genetically engineered virus. Simply “finding a cure with science” fails, thus they need Bacta to keep the sick alive. Problem is that the antagonist has taken Thyferra, the source of Bacta. Any word more would be a major spoiler.
Oh yes, this looks brilliant, finally bringing the dated SFX of the movie in line with the modern ones.
Combining Adywans + your work is destined to be the Star Wars of my dreams or something 😃
Great, editor, don’t let up.
Honestly, I think TROS is beyond saving, similar to TFA. While we can eliminate scenes and move material around, the glaring problems of script and story cannot be fixed by such actions. We would need access to tons of alternative and even new material… So unless someone shoots tons of said new material, I feel there is not much to gain here.
Considering how little deleted scenes and other stuff we are getting nowadays, I wont get my hopes up. Remember, most of the Carrie Fisher material in this movie came from TFA.
I am writing this off, looking forward to ROTJ Revisited instead.
This movie is not the catastrophe that EP7 was but it is pretty close. It tries to ignore Episode 8 and the parts that we good about that as much as possible and just goes back to nonsensical, timey-whimey stuff. Okay, in contrast to Doctor Who, it is not timey-whimey but you get the idea.
Again, it is utterly more important to achieve a particular moment or shot than to have any coherent narrative. Aside from the following points:
Palpatine is back and it’s not explained how.
Kylo goes to find him and it’s not explained why he was looking for him, or how he knows he’s alive.
Snoke was a clone made by Palpatine. Not explained how or why, or anything more said on the matter.
Palpatine somehow has a whole fleet of Star Destroyers with Death Star guns on them. Not explained how.
Rey is a Palpatine, her Dad was Palpatine’s son (not explained how), so Rey is his granddaughter.
Rey and Kylo can both save people from death and bring them back to life. Not explained how.
Luke retconned from being a sad old suicidal man to “secretly” keeping tabs on Palpatine.
Luke and Leia retconned to “know” Rey was a Palpatine the entire time.
Leia dies, horrifically forced and poorly handled.
Han is in it as a “memory” (???). Makes no sense whatsoever, but then neither does anything in this stupid movie.
Palpatine shoots lightning at Rey, who deflects it back to Palpatine (Palpatine apparently decides that simply not shooting lightning anymore makes too much sense), then dies.
Ben almost dies. Then he comes back. Then he dies. But wait no not actually. Then he dies (for real this time).
Rey steals the Skywalker name.
Force ghost Luke and Leia. Both look horrific and Leia is clearly CGI. Because nothing shouts “respect” like CGI’ing the ghost of a dead actress into your film for cheap nostalgia brownie points.
which one of the posts above already compiled, I must also add:
multiple rather important plot-threads (that probably should have happened in JJ’s version of Ep8) are just dumped at you in the opening credits, including Palpatine
the movie confirms Leia was trained as a Jedi (yeah!) by Luke but actually, that is pretty irrelevant for the story… so WHY NOW? Maybe the idea is to explain that she is Rey’s mentor/master/teacher now but the movie goes nowhere with it (probably due to a lack of Carrie Fisher Material)
the Sith not only have a “hidden” world now, they also have a Mordor’s BlackSpeech-like Language and are retconned to a sort of satanistic cultist group
the General Hux character is suddenly a traitor, because he starts disliking Kylo… now. Not that he was treated differently by Snoke or anything. Also, he is little more than a “get out of jail for free”-card
JJ’s Knights of Ren are back, and they are basically 6 Klingon’s in Metal Armor and they do pretty much nothing the entire movie, until they annoy the now light-sided Ben Solo / Kylo in the final act. And we learn, wait for it, nothing about who they are…
the whole “child-soldier of the First Order”-thing is again, brought up for 15 seconds and than quickly forgotten again because facing an uncomfortable subject with any actual idea of what to do is not JJ’s idea of Star Wars
speaking of the first’s Storm Troopers, this movie establishes that Finn is not the only deserter (aka conditioning failure) but does absolutely nothing with it. Also, if an entire “regiment” basically stops following orders, why the hell are the space nazi’s not having bigger issues supressing the galaxy?
the First Order is defeated off-screen because “the people rise up” in a montage depicting two burning Star Destroyer ships, one crashing over Jakku and another being watched by freaking Ewoks
by the way, the First Order had large galaxy-controlling army and is utterly unaffected by the movie’s climax, but what the hell (in RotJ, they at least lost key personal and resources)
this movie’s Emperor can wipe out entire fleets with force lightning if he wants to, why did the Rebellion win again?
the Emperor’s new fleet is instantly killable once they do no longer receive data from the “navigation dish”, for some reason…
Not everything was bad, sound and music were good, the special effects are obviously great and the direction, cinematography and camera werestellar in many places. Daisy Ridley gives a great performance, considering the material.
The issue remains with script and plot. Problem is, if that fails you, your movie will always be a disaster, no matter what else you offer.
No amount of fan-editing can save this movie, similar to TFA.