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#1270286
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A small edit of the Order 66 scene.
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I already talked on here about how I don’t like the scene of Anakin killing the Younglings in Revenge Of The Sith, and how it would have been nice to see a bit more action of Anakin in the Jedi Temple. I had completely forgotten the deleted scene of him killing Shaak-Ti and walking through the Jedi Temple, so I decided to edit it in, and remove the Younglings’ scene. I added some sound effects (for Anakin’s lightsaber and Shaak-Ti falling to the ground), and rearranged John Williams’ score so it would fit well with the scene. I didn’t spend much time on it and I don’t have much experience in fan editing so it’s not perfect but I just wanted to see if the scene could fit in the movie, and I think it does. This happens at the end of the Order 66 scene, right after Yoda escapes with the Wookiees, and just before Padmé is watching the Jedi Temple burning from her appartment.

If the special effects were finished and the scene was actually in the movie, I think it would almost satisfy me. We get a glimpse of the shitstorm inside the Temple, and we get to see Anakin killing a Jedi in a dark way.
Do you think it could be possible, with enough time and the right programs, for a fan to finish the special effects and make it watchable?

Here is the link: https://vimeo.com/318225559

What do you think?

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#1269418
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Another drop in the ocean of prequels rewritings.
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Just like the title says, I want to suggest my own prequels rewriting. I know this has been done many times so maybe this is pointless but I like to discuss ideas and maybe I can bring a couple new things to the debate.

For a long time I tried to completely rewrite the prequels and completely disregard the movies. But recently, after some thinking, I came to the conclusion that I was more satisfied with taking the Lucas’ Prequels, just change and fix the things that I don’t like, and keep the main story from the movies as much as I can, because after all, it’s mostly Lucas’ creation and I want to respect that. So the main things I change are inconsistencies with the Original Trilogy, which is what has always bothered me the most with the prequels.

Here are a few ideas:
-Anakin is older in Episode I, something between 14 and 20 years old (the reason: when Obi-Wan talks about him in the OT he doesn’t say how old Anakin was when he met him, but we don’t get the sense that he was a child);

-Anakin has a younger brother: Owen, so when he leaves to become a Jedi, he has to say goodbye to not only his mother, but also his younger brother, and promises them he will come back to free them. I kind of want to keep the Chosen One thing, because I actually like it, so Anakin still doesn’t have a father, and Owen’s dad is a Lars, which explains why they don’t have the same name. They are all slaves. In Episode II when he comes back to Tatooine, basically the same thing has happened as in the movie: Shmi, father Lars, and Owen were freed and went to live on the farm. There could be scenes where the brothers catch up with each other, and when Anakin has to leave once again (to save Obi-Wan) Owen finds it hard to accept. Which confirm what Obi-Wan says in Star Wars about Owen not wanting Luke’s father to follow Obi-Wan (the reason: Owen’s relationship with Anakin is almost non-existent in the prequels compared to what we were led to believe in the OT).

-Naboo is Alderaan (the reason: as most people, I think it’s an obvious change, and we would get to see a bit of what this planet looks like, and be more emotionally involved when it gets blown up in Star Wars);

-No Qui-Gonn, as much as I like Liam Neeson and the character, it should be Obi-Wan who does the things Qui-Gonn does in the movie. Maybe keep the character as Obi-Wan’s former master, who is still Obi-Wan’s advisor and mentor and supports him in his decision to train Anakin. You could see him in a few scenes at the Jedi Council and he could still take part in the final battle and die against Darth Maul (the reason: no mention of him in the OT);

-Anakin is not C-3PO’s maker (the reason: it’s just stupid);

-No flying R2 (the reason: same as above);

-No midichlorians (the reason: same as above);

-Obi-Wan learns that Anakin and Padmé are together in Episode III, and keeps the secret even if he disapproves. Anakin tells Obi-Wan that he’d like his child to have his lightsaber one day (the reason: “Your father wanted you to have this.”);

-In Episode III, Anakin/Darth Vader doesn’t kill Younglings, he hunts down the surviving Jedi of Order 66 who regrouped on Mustafar and kills them. The separatists leaders die on Utapau. See my thread I made earlier: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/A-simple-change-to-make-Revenge-Of-The-Sith-better-/id/65837 (the reason: Obi-Wan tells Luke that Darth Vader hunted the Jedi down);

-Padmé doesn’t die of a broken heart, she just dies because of the injuries Anakin inflicted on her, she just has enough remaining strength to give birth to Luke and Leia.

I think with all of these changes, most inconsistencies are fixed, except Leia remembering her mother, but I don’t want to change the time of Padmé’s death, I like it as it is.

Add to that a few other changes like no Jar Jar Binks (or keep the character but make him less ugly and annoying), less weird dialogues (especially the romance scenes), more friendship between Anakin and Obi-Wan in Episode II (something as simple as a hug from time to time, something that never happens in the prequels).
The main story from the prequels still stays basically the same, but I think these changes makes the story better, and the overall saga more cohesive as a whole.

I’ll post if I have more ideas, in the meantime you can also contribute!
Thank you for reading.

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#1269382
Topic
A simple change to make Revenge Of The Sith better.
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RogueLeader said:

This idea has actually been discussed before. Since Anakin is shrouded in his robes, this is something that could possibly be reshot if some plates were created and then actors in costume films in front of a green screen. You would also need to rework some character dialogue to remove mention of the Separatists on Mustafar, and possibly add some to get that info across.

And you could just trim Obi-Wan’s Utupau mission to have Obi-Wan jump down before the Separatist leaders leave. That way we could just assume they get captured by the Clone Army before they can escape.

I have to say I’m not that surprised this has been discussed before because ever since I re-worked it like that in my headcannon, it seems to be so obvious that this is what should have happened. Why did George Lucas decided to make Anakin’s “badass” scene with the separatists?! Most people don’t care about them, we want to see Anakin destroy some Jedi! It would have made so much sense, especially with the cuts back and forth with Palpatine declaring the Jedi enemies of the Republic and creating the Empire.

Instead of reshooting the scene, could it possible to just digitally add some lightsabers to the separatists, and maybe digitally insert some different faces to them?

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#1269378
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A simple change to make Revenge Of The Sith better.
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NeverarGreat said:

I actually think the point of no return for the story was Anakin killing the Tusken Raiders, women and children included. That was when I checked out anyway.

I forgot about that, but for some reason it doesn’t bother me that much. Maybe I see it as more “forgivable” because his mother just died and they are an aggressive species.

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#1269375
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A simple change to make Revenge Of The Sith better.
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I’ll try keeping it short. Basically I really like Revenge Of The Sith but a few things almost ruins it for me, and are keeping me from really loving it. You all heard the complaints, so no need to explain.
But I would say the main thing that I hate in the movie is Anakin killing children. How can a man whose story is about redemption be redeemed when he killed children. I think it’s the biggest thing that ruins Anakin’s character in the prequels, not the whining or the sometimes questionable acting, but this 10 seconds where we see him enter that room. If this short scene was cut, and references to “youglings” just be replaced by “Jedi” or “Padawans”, I would like the film much better. So this things are doable with edits. But I came up with an idea (maybe it has already been suggested by someone, I don’t remember if I read it somewhere or came up with it myself, in this case, I didn’t “come up” with the idea, but I’ll just share it anyway) that could make it even better, but unfortunately not doable with edits.
So another complaint I have with the movie, that goes hand to hand with the one I already described, is that we didn’t get to see Darth Vader really “hunt down the Jedi” as Obi-Wan said in Star Wars. Going to the Jedi Temple isn’t really hunting them down. So what I suggest is that when Palpatine tells Darth Vader to go to Mustafar to kill the separatists leaders, is changing that part of the scenario. Instead of the separatists, it is the remaining Jedi that have escaped Order 66 and are hiding there. You could imagine something like all the separatists got killed on Utapau by the Clones. Anakin/Darth Vader goes to Mustafar like in the movie but instead we get a nice scene with him fighting a few Jedi and killing them, showing how powerful he is and making Obi-Wan’s claim in Star Wars of him hunting the Jedi more close to the truth. Then Obi-Wan arrives to Mustafar to regroup with the last Jedi only to find them all killed, and the following is just like the movie.
This is basically my headcannon now. What do you think?

TL;DR: Anakin doesn’t kill children, and the guys he kills on Mustafar aren’t the separatists leaders but surviving Jedi that are hiding there

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#1269210
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Childhood Misconceptions (aka The Trap Thread, but misconceptions still welcome)
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dahmage said:

VegetableMan said:

dahmage said:

VegetableMan said:

When I was a kid I only had The Phantom Menace and Return Of The Jedi on VHS, and I hadn’t seen the others, and I thought the Death Star II was what was left of the feredation ship Anakin blows up at the end of TPM.

I can’t fathom only having those two movies… When did you finally see the rest of the saga? (assuming you eventually did)

I don’t really remember, I started really getting into Star Wars between I and II, so probably in 2001, and at the time there were only those two VHSs at home. I think I then had The Empire Strikes Back (1997 SE) and finally Star Wars (1997 SE), before II came out.
So I watched them in a messed up order: VI, I, V, IV, II, III, etc…

Ahh, the classic “vegetable order” 😀

😄

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#1269187
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Childhood Misconceptions (aka The Trap Thread, but misconceptions still welcome)
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dahmage said:

VegetableMan said:

When I was a kid I only had The Phantom Menace and Return Of The Jedi on VHS, and I hadn’t seen the others, and I thought the Death Star II was what was left of the feredation ship Anakin blows up at the end of TPM.

I can’t fathom only having those two movies… When did you finally see the rest of the saga? (assuming you eventually did)

I don’t really remember, I started really getting into Star Wars between I and II, so probably in 2001, and at the time there were only those two VHSs at home. I think I then had The Empire Strikes Back (1997 SE) and finally Star Wars (1997 SE), before II came out.
So I watched them in a messed up order: VI, I, V, IV, II, III, etc…

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#1029627
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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I recently discovered Star War The Third Gathers: The Backstroke Of The West, the dubbed version on Youtube. It is hilarious. My favorite quotes from what I have seen:
"-You underrated my ability - Is"
“I will ruin you!”.
I almost laughed in tears at that one. The guys that voiced them are really funny.
I also love their ridiculous names, like Ratio Tile, so fucking funny.

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#1029620
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When you were introduced to Star Wars for the first time
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Wolfman said:

Here in the UK, Star Wars did not arrive until Christmas 1977. It went on general release in January 1978.
Before the film arrived here, many pictures and scenes from the film were appearing in magazines and on the television. I was collecting pictures even before the film came here.

I saw Star Wars sometime early 1978 aged 12 at Guildford Odeon in Surrey. I went back many times as the film was being re-released every school holiday.

So you’re saying you were a fan before the movie was even released (at least in your country). That’s awesome.

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#1028656
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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LexX said:

VegetableMan said:

I don’t know where you all live, but in my country, it has become a trend to say that the prequels weren’t so bad after all, especially since The Force Awakens was released and was not really well received, at least among my age group.
So now it doesn’t surprise me when people rank the PT higher than the OT (but it kind of pisses me off).

I don’t even want to know where you live, LOL.

Don’t worry, the majority still doesn’t like the prequels, especially the older generation. But in some situations it has become risky to say you liked The Force Awakens and that you didn’t like the prequels. There’s a Youtube guy that made lenghty videos about Star Wars where he claims he liked the PT better than the OT, that the SE were a good thing, and that The Force Awakens is bad (yes, those people exist). And he is fairly popular, so I base my claims partly on his (relative) popularity.

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#1028276
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When you were introduced to Star Wars for the first time
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I don’t remember exactly when it was, probably the late 90’s. My parents had a VHS of Return Of The Jedi, the unaltered version. I think one of my earliest memory of Star Wars is watching this VHS with my family, I vaguely remember the scene on Dagobah, I must have been about 4 or 5 years old.
But I became a fan a few years later, between Episode I and II (so this was around 2000-2001), after watching my brother’s VHS tape of Ep. I, and then getting the 1997 SE of Star Wars and Empire on my birthday.

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#1027808
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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Hi everyone, I’ve been lurking here for awhile, especially in the script rewriting section, and I love it. I thought posting in this thread would be a good way to introduce myself:

  1. The Empire Strikes Back
  2. Star Wars/A New Hope
  3. Return Of The Jedi
  4. Rogue One (maybe still the exitement talking, we will see how I rank it in a few months)
  5. The Force Awakens
  6. Revenge Of The Sith
  7. The Phantom Menace
  8. Attack Of The Clones

Anyway, looking forward to many discussions with you guys!