The Dark Empire

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Hi.

i noticed something.
And i have a bad feeling about this.

In the “Rogue One - Death Star Trailer” you can see two laserbeams of the death star.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDO9nGwoyYw

Frank your Majesty said:

If you only care about the OT, then why do you quote wookipedia? Where in the movies is it said that stormtroopers are the elite soldiers. This would mean there are also “normal” soldiers, which are not stormtroopers.

Well for me it is not only about the OT but also the EU. I thought that my avatar makes this clear enough.

And even there is a continuity in stormtrooper-design and -purpose. Even in the PT you can see a continuity. Even in TFA the design makes sense and looks like a “natural” design development:

The RO-stormtrooper-designs does not fit.
And when i relate this to the real world and to real military designs, the form always follows the funktion. An armor that “represented some of the best in the Empire” would never be optically redesigned that much. You do not need to redesign a scout trooper to a shore trooper.

Thats all only for merchandise purposes.
And after all it does not look like a design in the Star Wars universe.

Hi there,

You know i am always complaining about the new Star Wars stuff because it does not fit into my olde OT. At the moment i am irritaded because of the new stormtroopers, the death- and the shoretrooper.

The standart stormtrooper “were the elite soldiers of the Galactic Empire (wookiepedia)”. If you let the movie thing that they can not hit something aside, an elite soldier is the best soldier you have. It is very strange to believe that it is necessary to make a design-variant of this elite trooper.

The shadow-trooper from battlefront and the EU make a lot more sense, even the design.

The elite is the spearhead of the forces. Now there are soldiers with slightly adapted to fit different environments like the lighter scouttrooper or the cold assault stormtrooper. The difference were only of practical nature never optical. If the look changes there was always practical reason to do so. But you can always see the standart sout- or stormtrooper in the design. And there are all white, grey or black. The never use camouflaging colours.

Now we have a liht brown or khaki coloured shoretrooper. To me that makes no sense. Even in green environments the empire uses white soldiers. It is because they do not hide from the enemy. The empire does use this all the same faceless black and white looking troopers to create fear.

And a beach is nearly the same as a desert. If there is a shoretrooper in RO it would be logically if there was a “woodtrooper” in ROTJ. But there is not! But the empire dos not work this way.

I do not like it and i think again that it is a disney-merchandising-problem.
I am not looking forward to see shoretroopers, woodtroopers, deathtroopers, watertroopers, sandtroopers or hover tank troopers and what so ever is about to come. I think the design of the new troopers should have been more like storm- and scouttroopers with slighly little differences not a whole new design.

The George Lucas clonetrooper fits more into Star Wars as this RO troopers.
And i hate to say that.

Bingowings said:

ZkinandBonez said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Also, why is the Death Star up-side-down in this shot?

There is no upside down in space. It’s all three-dimensional, remember? 😛

Sure, but I still think it’s weird that they choose to show it from that orientation. Also doesn’t that technically mean that we’re seeing the planet with the north pole facing down (relatively speaking)?
It’s a neat shot anyway, it just struck me as kinda odd.

It’s hard to fire down when your gun is pointing up… probably.

Right… an you can see in the next scene that the planet is on the top of the monitor inside the deat star.
Now it makes more sense

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Also, why is the Death Star up-side-down in this shot?

There is no upside down in space. It’s all three-dimensional, remember? 😛

Yeah, in the real world there is no upside down in space.

But if you look at Star Wars or especially Star Trek, you will notice that the ships always are like horizontally aligned. It is a normal thing in movies to make “it look good”.

I will say if every spaceship is flying as they like, it would be an optically mess! It is a film thing not a realism thing. In reality there are no spaceships 😉

The upside down deathstar looks to me like a mistake

ZkinandBonez said:

Source
From the Lucasfilm Pavilion at San Diego Comic-Con (2913), meet Rogue One’s Edrio Two Tubes:

Edrio Two Tubes is a mercenary pilot who flies alongside his eggmate, Benthic. The two share the nickname derived from the breathing apparatus that allows their Tognath physiology to process oxygen atmospheres. Edrio’s home world Yar Togna was conquered and occupied by the Empire, forcing him to flee as a refugee. Desiring to strike back at the Empire, Edrio and Benthic have allied with Saw Gerrera.

Is this the brother of this guy???

ray_afraid said:

Nice find, Dark_Empire! Very cool!

Thx. It`s the little things 😉

Normally i am always complaining about the new Star Wars things, but in this case i like that they use an old picture. It is a nice little connection between EP4 an RO for me.

Anyway… 😉

i’ve found a nice little detail. First i thought the death star in this poster is a cgi, but it isnt. I have a little kids book, the “24 page read along, Star Wars, A new Hope from the year 1979”. And in this book there is a picture. And on this picture you can see the death star on the Rogue One poster!

Here is a picture of it. bad quality but i think you can see that it is exactly the same picture used for the Rogue One poster.

Edit:

i did a scan of the picture and a photoshop combination.

Scan

Combination

fits perfectly

Did anyone took a look at the new Rogue-One-cinema-poster?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnamfi0XgAAgOd4.jpg

From a photoshop point of view this is a mess!
It seems like it was stiched together from some production- and some cgi-pictures.
For me (i work with photoshop for the automoblie industry every day) i cant even look at it.
The sunlight comes from different angles. The sizes of the people are not correect to each other. The palm tree leafs on the left are bending by the wind to the left, on the right they bend to the right. The explosion makes no sense and the death star is way wayyyyyyyy to big. A 160 klimoter wide death star you can see this close is a second away from crashing into your planet.

“A rebellion built on nope”

Funny, a “drag-and-drop”-superlaser ^^

To mount the primary weapon, the essencial component, as last part of the whole station is rubbish. It is only to look cool.

And i hope they find another main character actress.
She is kind of plump.

Darth Lars said:

The Dark Empire said:

And it has the two-seater-TIE in it. And the named every cable, every thing like the engines and the weapon system. And well, there is no repulsorlift in it. Some other ships and vehicles have it.

Yeah, in most depictions, it looks as if TIE fighters are not capable of atmospheric flight - only in space close close to a mothership.

Yet, at the end of ESB when the Falcon escapes Cloud City, it is pursued by TIE Fighters. Those TIE fighters must have had repulsors or they would not be able to fly there. (or the pilots would have had to fly with the engines angled towards the ground)

I found my old technical manual. There is explained how the starting (from a desthstar-hangar) works.

“While many of the Death Star’s hangar bays were equipped to accommodate shuttles and other transports, most were engineered specifically to house, deploay, and service Imperial TIE fighters, which are not equipped with landing gear. The Death Star carried more than 7,000 TIE fighters. Smaller hangars contained few as two TIE fighters, while larger hangars contained six squadrons, or 72 TIE fighters.
Each TIE hangar bay had ceiling-mounted racks that held the TIEs several meters above the deck. Pilots climbed across a ganty above the racks to reach their starfighters, and entered the TIEs through ceiling hatches. After the pilot was seated behind the controls and the hatch was sealed, the rack disengaged and dropped the TIE into the waiting repulsorlift field below. The field maneuvered the TIE to the bay opening where tractor beams automatically took control, catapulting the TIE through the hangar’s magnetic forcefield and into space. When the TIE returned to the hangar, tractor beams would guide the TIE back on the rack.”

SilverWook said:

So Kenner was lying to us all those years? 😉

Okay if you want to make fun i go home and be quiet.

Otherwise… In every film or game the TIEs are hanging from the ceeling.
Even in the new battlefront it is like that.

DavidMerrick said:

Ah. Spoke to a TIE engineer about that?

Yeah i did!

And by the way… There is a technical manual, u know. Cross-sections, technology etc.
This is a official Disney thing.

And it has the two-seater-TIE in it. And the named every cable, every thing like the engines and the weapon system. And well, there is no repulsorlift in it. Some other ships and vehicles have it.

If there was no official technical manual for TFA this TIE details would be not interesting to me.

But there is one and the film is not accurate to it.

DominicCobb said:

The complaint about the two-seated TIE Fighter might be the nit pick to end all nit picks…

Strangely the Two-Seater-TIE is not a problem for me, it seems to be a (nearly) realistic development.

But TIEs can NOT stand on the solar panels! Never ever.
They are to fragile to hold the weight of the TIE.
They would be damaged just by standing around.

And TIEs, even the FO-TIEs do NOT have a repulsorlift, so they can not land and start like verticalliy. For that reason the solar panels would be damaged while landing horizontally. Atmospheric flight of TIEs is another problem, but landing on the panels is rubbish.

In the short anime film “TIE-Fighter” you can see how TIEs work.
https://youtu.be/PN_CP4SuoTU

And the little bit of the plot. I think i do not need a film that connects the PT and the OT.
Including a new interpetation of Vader or Tarkin or what ever. PT and OT are canon and so RO has not the freedom that JJ creates for TFA.

With Disney as creator this can only be a mess.

DominicCobb said:

The truth is (and I apologize if I’m generalizing a bit here) most of us were kids when we saw the OT, so the “plot holes” and contrivances flew over our heads.

For my SW-experience that seems to be correct.
I can not find any connection to the PT or TFA… Or everething i have seen of Rogue One so far.
Maybe it is not possible for me to feel the same for SW now than i did as a kid.
The style of filmmaking today is to far away from what i like.

At a time i was so looking forward to see what these clone wars mentioned in the OT are.
Then came the PT… doh
But anyway, with the EU i thought that it was still possible to make great SW-stories.
At a time i was so damn looking forward to see a filmed version of the things happend in the EU after ROTJ. I love the EU after ROTJ.
And now THAT… Generally i am not amused about killing the canon.

So i think for me SW on film is episode 4-6 as usual standing alone (oh wait… the Ewok-films work great for my SW-universe as well). TFA is too close and at the same time too far away from the OT.

ZkinandBonez said:

Well, it may not be everyone’s ‘cup of tea,’ but I’ve always been a huge fan of the SW art of Cam Kennedy.

GREAT! I love his style!

Anchorhead said:
I’m at a loss as to why one gets a pass and one does not.

Hello from Germany,

i understand absolutely what you mean.
But these plot holes in the OT did not bother me at all the first time i saw the OT. The films were a completely new thing back in the days and everything in the OT was so damn remarkable that these failures did not disturbed anybody.

But if you make a (reboot-)sequel with nearly the same plot, it’s stupid to copy the plot-holes too.

The SW-fans are “trained” to see this failures. You make it once and nobody cares, make it again and everybody hates it. Better is to learn from failures.

Today SW is so much more than 1977 and with the EU everybody was forced to be accurate on the SW-Universe. I think if you want to make a proper SW-Sequel you have to be more accurate than in the OT.

Phil…

(sorry for bad english)