NeonBible said:
Zombie's WP is a beta at the moment right?
That is correct. The final version will have surround sound and color correction, as well as little tweaks here and there, I believe.
FremenDar said:
Perhaps even a 1080p version of the ALIEN: Extended Edition?
Oh man, that would be awesome, but I think an HD version would require a brand new edit with the BD or a D-Theater Rip as the base. Do the creators happen to have the master files before DVD compression?
As it is, I enjoyed the hell out of that edit from the AVI copy I could get. The DVD seems to no longer be seeded sadly.
That's good news. I'd be excited to see, or rather, hear the results of that. I never got a chance to see TPM in theaters. I'd be curious to see how much better the DTS sounds. Would you sync it with the BD and just add the BD's audio for the extended segments, or would you make a whole custom BD-25 that was the theatrical cut or a restoration of it?
bkev said:
More on-topic: is Zombie's WP still easily available? Just off of seeing the Final Cut for the first time and I'm curious to see this version as well.
There's a torrent on Demonoid, which reads that it has 4 seeds, so you still should be able to get it. When you do, you're in for a treat. It really is radically different, and in some ways, better than the Final Cut and most of the release versions. You can find it easily by searching the edit title on Demonoid.
More off-topic: I too would be interested in the White Dragon Cut if anyone could actually find it.
Saw it. And ugh. To all those who reviewed it in the thread, you were far too gentle. It's a let-down unfortunately.
Here are my spoiler-free two cents. I find that Prometheus's trailers were a big detriment to my experience; they gave away far too much, both visually and plot-wise. This movie needed a more conservative ad campaign. I also felt like some lines were added, for the purpose of being in the trailer; most of the advertised lines (eg. "Big things have small beginnings.") seem rather abrupt in the actual movie.
Prometheus has some positives. Like everyone has said, the visuals are great. I will not dispute that. I thought the effects were spot-on: perfect combination of CGI and practical effects. Scott sure knows how to make sci-fi look right and realistic. As many reviews have stated, the acting, in so far as the leads, (Fassbender and Rapace), was great. They had thoroughly interesting characters.
Now, the negatives: Though the acting of the leads were good, I couldn't determine exactly whose story this was supposed to be; in other words, I felt a lack of a main character. Parts of the movie seemed to be the story of Fassbender's character, while others seemed to be the story of Rapace's character. Anyway, the supporting characters, to me, weren't developed enough. There seemed to be too many people onboard the ship to actually care about. Some characters seemed to be there just to be killed; two of them, especially come to mind as seeming hollow and just being there for the sake of showcasing danger. To sum up, I didn't really feel emotionally-connected with most of them. A smaller cast, like in Alien, might have been stronger.
The lack of strong supporting characters may have been fine, if the movie didn't suffer from it's biggest problem: an awful and muddled story structure. In the latter part of the movie, it seemed to lack focus, yet it tried to move at a break-neck speed. There were many tangents, which were made, only to be resolved quickly; to be frank, parts of it felt like a bad fan edit. Nothing seemed fleshed out. The story didn't have a linear progression.
Frankly, I'd be very curious to see if the deleted scenes; judging by how awfully this thing moves and the lack of development of some characters, I would think there are many. Hopefully, an extended edition may be made that would improve the film tenfold (like Scott's "Kingdom of Heaven"). I think this film would have been better with a longer running time and a slower pace. At roughly 2 hours, it was much too fast.
One final part which really irked me for some reason was the "Aliens" reference. I won't spoil what it was exactly, but I found it really forced. It just took me out of the movie. I didn't think Scott needed to refer to "Aliens" anyway, seeing how it was just a sequel to "Alien" and not really his movie.
Even with all it's drawbacks, I'd still recommend you watch it once, preferably in theaters so you can experience the full visuals. Hope I didn't spoil anything in this review.
5 out of 10.
Thanks for keeping us updated, -1. Sounds good.
SilverWook said:
Wow, I didn't think anyone had ever tried ripping that obscure format.
Oh yeah, there are actually lots of rips online. Sorry to get off-topic, but the quality of the D-Theater rips actually is quite impressive to me. They tend to be less compressed than HDTV rips, which suffer from the provider's compression. There are some interesting ones out there, like Alien, which has the original Director's Cut color timing rather than the BD one.
For True Lies, not sure if there was ever an HD Broadcast, but there's something even better: a D-Theater tape. I've seen 1080i rips of the D-Theater and they look really good. Some are even more than 20GB. You can find HD torrents easily.
The HDTV version may or may not have any noise reduction applied to it; any grain that may have been is lost due to the high compression/low HD bitrate. Still, even with the lack of fine detail, it's light-years better than the old DVD.
Could the broadcast on HDNet now not be the same as before? The original HD broadcast we're talking about was in 2005. It isn't beyond the realm of possibility that they replaced it with the higher quality BD master. For instance, basic cable channels, like SyFy, shows the Final Cut now.
Those both sound like fantastic editing ideas... though greatly ambitious. I can picture how Generations will have Kirk live; but, inserting Hicks and Newt would be quite an extraordinary achievement.
I unfortunately don't have the skills to edit this; however, I'm very curious on how you plan to achieve this. ImperialFighter, I'd love to see/review your Alien fan edit cut list if possible; though, I'd understand if you wouldn't want to share it.
Oh. To those who have seen it, does the movie hold a candle to Alien and Blade Runner?
You know, bkev, that's what I think too. The brighter quality reminds me of the old releases more, timing wise. I found a long old ot.com thread about the HDTV Broadcast here: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Blade-Runner-HDTV/topic/3634/
The Broadcast was also the Director's Cut, not the Final Cut. So, does anyone still have this? If so, do they have opinions on it? There is a torrent on TPB that could be feasibly seeded.
There's a comparison online that may be of interest. I found it scrolling through old AVSForum threads. It compares the HDTV Broadcast and the HD-DVD, which should be nearly identical to the BD. While the photos are compressed to hell (lots of artifacting), they clearly show a difference in color and contrast. The HDTV seems generally brighter.
Here are the comparisons:
http://horn.hdtvtotal.com/hdtvtotal/scripts/waggle/waggle.php?hd=http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1938/brhdnet1lo6.jpg&sd=http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8493/brhdm1hv2.jpg
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So, what do people think? More or less 80s-esque?
Out of curiosity, what's the general consensus on the following BD audio tracks?:
I think that they're all remixed from the original audio, but I've not heard much about them. Would the original mixes from the respective LDs be worth preserving?
msycamore said:
Interesting that your rental copy didn't have the FOXVID-code in the upper corner like Starkiller's tape had:
Funny. My own Rental Copy has those same markings. Anyone have an explanation for the difference? What would be the cause for variations within the same release/pressing?
msycamore said:
There was actually two teasers of Empire in theaters back in '79, the one with McQuarrie concept art and the one featuring the Harrison Ford? narration.
Interesting. Didn't know that.
Jonno said:
As for trailers, the reel currently comprises... Superman the Movie (teaser)
Wait a second, out of curiosity, didn't Superman come out in '78? Unless you mean the teaser of Superman II...
Jonno, I'm watching your AVCHD version now. It's a great experience. Much thanks. Obviously, kudos to msycamore for the rip. It sounds nice.
Jonno said:
Any further suggestions?
If you're asking about movies from 1979, then I would suggest The Amityville Horror, Apocalypse Now, Escape from Alcatraz, The Jerk, Mad Max, Phantasm, and Rocky II. You can also put the early teaser of The Empire Strikes Back, with just concept art; sure the movie came out in 1980, but the teaser may have been out in 1979.
I can certainly share the result once the edit's done...
With those trailers and that rating card, that sounds like a properly wonderful release. I'd love to see it as well.
For anyone interested, there's a torrent of the U.S. Edit on RuTracker. It's HD, Widescreen and great quality. I assume it's a cap of the broadcasts of this version. Interestingly enough, the uploader made an alternative audio track for the release that uses the music and DTS 5.1 from the Director's Cut DVD but synced to the video.
Jonno said:
PM sent.
Thanks!
Jonno said:
The result, as it stands, is a Blu-ray/AVCHD format disc which fits on a single layer DVD. No menus or other fancy stuff, just the movie with superb audio.
Jonno, I for one, would be very interested in seeing that. Have you uploaded it somewhere? The msycamore PCM files are on my computer but not yet synced so a copy of this would be stupendous.
I'd be interested in a MySpleen upload. I made a transfer myself and would be intrigued to see how they compare.
Sorry for the bump, but was this ever transferred fully?
I'm definitely digging that deleted scene. It would be nice to see some version of it inputted to the edit.
Also, zombie84, I just noticed a flash frame when I was recently watching the edit. Right before Deckard meets Rachael in the elevator to his apartment, there's a one frame shot of Pris on the streets. I thought you'd like to know, so you can fix the final version. I really do love this and can't wait for a color-corrected, 5.1 version.
PM sent as well...
