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#759423
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Idea: 'Rear Window' and 'Vertigo' preservations?
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captainsolo said:

IMO I now think the best color-wise for both are the original DVDs because they struck a video master from the restored prints. Of course you then have to factor in the fluctuations caused by a 2000 era process but still at least for RW, the old DVD just has that spark that is lacking in even the new BD.

 Agreed. The first DVD release is closest to RAH's intentions, judging by its accuracy to the 70mm print I saw. I don't know why previous transfers tweaked the color away from this. 

That said, I'm vaguely curious to see the pre-restoration LDs of both films. Might be interesting. Rear Window looks like it was colored warmer before in the restoration comparison on the DVD. 

hairy_hen said:

I saw Rear Window in the theater the other day.  The picture was bizarrely soft, but the AMC's around here seem to have that problem on just about everything, so it didn't surprise me that much. 

 I've heard, though I might be incorrect that many theaters project Fathom events on the projectors they use for commercials before the movie and not their actual movie projectors. 

PDB said:

Aluminum Falcon, I got a HDTV copy of Rear Window that is 4:3 and another that was 16:9. I believe both were off the "Russian Tracker". Let me check to see if they are actually different from the official BD. They may be the same master.

A 4:3 copy? That's interesting. I can't find anything off of the Russian Tracker anymore. Even if the 4:3 is the BD master, it would be interesting if it was open matte, as the laser was. 

I have a 4.37 GB copy of the pre-BD Rear Window HDTV broadcast, though I know better quality (1080i) was floating around before. 

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#759420
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Info: The films of Sergio Leone - The best available versions...
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captainsolo said:

From what I've heard the German FAFDM used MGM's transfer but did so without the extra processing and DNR MGM applied so that specks, dirt and grain are more visible.

This is true, yet I still stand by my assessment that the IT BD looks better overall than the DE BD. The MGM master, even with the extra processing taken off, just looks terrible to my eyes. 

That said, the IT does not have English audio. Though, both the 5.1 and mono have been synced to it, the latter by a member of this forum. 

NeonBible said:

Also I don't believe his version includes the original mono?

 jimbotron235's release does include the original mono thankfully :) 

His own words: 

jimbotron235 said:

The edit is completed.

Changes made:

  •     Removed opening restoration credit
  •     Removed Harmonica recovering from gunshot
  •     Restored original Finale music (from OST), removing the spliced-in Cheyenne theme.  The result is pretty seamless.  There are no foley effects with the restored music.  Having listened to it several times, I don't miss them.


Video: 1920x816 AVC @ 18Mbps

Audio:

  •     5.1 FLAC (Sourced from Blu-ray DTS-HD mix)
  •     PCM 1.0 Mono (sourced from Laserdisc, provided by NeonBible and Lil Brutto) (44.1Khz 705Kbps) This was from the "Theatrical" version so I needed to splice in about 30 seconds from the "Restored" version.
  •     DD 1.0 Mono (sourced from Blu-ray) (originally 112Kbps 48Khz)


Length: 2:44:03

Size: 23.8GB

The 5.1 mix is FLAC instead of the original DTS-HD because Premiere doesn't output to DTS/Dolby.  The BD mono is expanded to PCM for the same reason.

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#758618
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Idea: 'Rear Window' and 'Vertigo' preservations?
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I'm referring to an original 1958 dye-transfer print. It had quite a bit of film artifacts, but the colors still looked absolutely fantastic. 

The 70mm print that runs at the Castro, which I have seen, is from the 1996 restoration. It was my first theatrical experience watching Vertigo, and it honestly looks quite nice. The superiority of 70mm over 35mm detail-wise is very evident. About 38 years younger than the dye-transfer print I saw, it was much cleaner, artifact-wise. Nevertheless, over time, it too has accumulated some dirt. 

The colors on the 70mm are more accurate than home video transfers based off of the 1996 restoration would have you think. The transfers are paler than the prints, and the grain structure is quite odd. I think, though I might be wrong, that Lowry Digital did the scan in 2004 when their process was still very imperfect. Strangely enough, the letter-writing scene looks terrible in the 70mm print, which was noted in contemporary reviews for the restoration. 

To answer your question, though, it unfortunately does have the infamous 5.1 remix, which, for my money, is the worst remixing job for a movie ever done. 

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#758606
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Info: The films of Sergio Leone - The best available versions...
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Has anyone seen the A Fistful of Dollars Japanese Blu-Ray by NBCUniversal? From what I've heard, it may be the best available version thus far. It uses the stellar Italian restoration that debuted on RHV's BD. Furthermore, it has the 5.1 and the mono tracks in DTS-HD. 

Additionally, for what it's worth, I respectfully disagree with the assessments of the German BDs as the best available versions.

Universum's encode of A Fistful of Dollars, to my eyes, looks noticeably worse than RHV's, which is also AVC and of a comparable bitrate (2700kbps to the German's 29995kbps). As you can see in this caps-a-holic comparison, the German BD is redder and darker, which results in the slight loss of detail. The reddishness skews the flesh tones rather than making them look more accurate. 

Also, I think Universum made the wrong choice to use the MGM master for For a Few Dollars More. While I acquiesce to the fact that the Mondo looks to have had some slight grain-reduction, the very noticeable sharpening on the MGM master has far more damaging effects on the video. I'm not convinced that all the grain is natural; it looks mixed with video noise. Also, there are weird film artifacts; the Mondo looks like the source was cleaned more thoroughly before scanning. Overall, the MGM master seems to be a pretty dated scan that winds up looking worse than the Italian one. The color timing is what really gets me: it's far less vibrant and leans towards blue, as if someone tried "normalizing"/"homogenizing" the look for home video. Take a look at the whites in this comparison, keeping in mind that they're supposed to be lit by warm lamps, not flourescents. 

Of course, as stated in the OP, both of these have the opening titles in German... 

As for the rest of the movies, the US BD of Duck You Sucker is terrible. It's from a clearly outdated master with another "homogenized" color palette. The fan preservations of Once Upon a Time in the West and Once Upon a Time in America are truly a sight to hear and behold. The former's lossless mono from the LD sounds fantastic, and I'm glad to see the movie rightfully presented without the Harmonica Rising sequence. kk650's regrade really rights a lot of wrongs, making a previously unwatchable master something decent. Only when watching this was I able to appreciate the detail that the restoration had. 

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#758598
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Idea: 'Rear Window' and 'Vertigo' preservations?
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Is anyone interested in doing full justice to these classics? The current Blu-Rays by Universal, while nice, have a fair amount of issues.

Vertigo looks better than it has in years, though I can say, from having seen a dye-transfer print, that the Blu-Ray’s colors don’t fully emulate the grandeur of an original presentation. The end scenes suffer worst of all, without any regard to the subtle cyan hues that indicated night in the print I watched.

According to Robert Harris, Rear Window could look better. He cites Grace Kelly’s iconic introduction as one section that was superior in the earlier photochemical restoration. The opening credits of the Blu-Ray have also been noise-reduced.

That being said, I would propose the following preservations:

  1. The Blu-Ray, which has a great amount of detail, should be color-corrected to match a dye-transfer print. While the colors of the Blu-Ray are lacking, I believe that a more accurate can be resolved with tweaking. There are quite a few people on this board capable of great-looking color correction. For this, I’d be more than happy to provide reference materials via PM. Just contact me.
  2. Rear Window- This preservation is far more straightforward. Before the Blu-Ray was released, there was a 1080i HDTV-TS of the photochemical restoration floating around. Does anyone still have it, and, if so, could you please share? The links from tehparadox are dead, and I can’t find any torrents. Usenet may be the best place to look.

If anyone could help with the proper presentation of these classics, it would be much appreciated.

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#729878
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Idea & Ideas Wanted: for a 'Halloween II (1981): Rosenthal Cut'
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Hi all!

I’m contemplating making an edit in the future that will try to recreate the director Rick Rosenthal’s original version of Halloween II sans all Carpenter’s gory reshoots. That being said, I’m not sure exactly what Carpenter added, so I’m banking that you guys can tell me. This is what I have so far:

  1. Entire Sequence of Michael Stealing Knife from the old folks and Killing Alice
  2. Close-Ups in Karen’s Scalding Sequence. Or was she originally just drowned as the TV edit implies?
  3. Jill and the Doctor’s Deaths- Was this whole thing a reshoot? I’m not sure how they did the syringe deaths without gore.
  4. Jimmy Passing Out in the Ambulance- I might be wrong about this.
  5. Marshall’s Throat Slit- I know for a fact that the original was Loomis accidentally shooting him, as the marshall and Michael scuffled.

That being said, most of this is speculation, with the exceptions of (1) and (5). Someone even suggested elsewhere that the whole brother-sister subplot was added with the reshoots, but that seems rather extreme to me. I can’t think of how you would cut around that. So, if you have more accurate information, please share.

In addition, I plan to add back the deleted scenes from the TV version of character development.

Look forward to hearing from you all. Opinions and info would be very welcome

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#681485
Topic
Movies with wrong color grading *** UPDATED ***
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Curse of Frankenstein looks terrible on BD. It's taken from an old composite of sep. elements. Unfortunately, no Technicolor IB prints exist as reference to show the original color.

Still, it could use some fixing. It's really soft, as-is, too; I'm not sure how that part can be fixed. Could someone who knows more about physical film enlighten me if sep. elements form a low-contrast element? It looks like the contrast could be deepened for a more "correct" image. Deeper contrast might make the color look better too.

Hammer's Dracula has flaws, but it really isn't as bad as some people say it is. It's certainly more accurate than the DVD, which is ridiculously under-contrasted and dull. It, in fact, looks quite similar to The Curse of Frankenstein, so that makes me think Curse could be corrected... I doubt the theatrical version looked like any of the releases.

Many films really need color-timing correction.

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#680853
Topic
Movies with wrong color grading *** UPDATED ***
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Most of Kubrick's BDs are flawed, as captainsolo stated. They were good for when they came out, but they just don't hold up compared to today's standards. Quick run-down.

Rating reflects accuracy to film source material, not necessarily quality.

Italicized the ones that could show significant improvement with a new version.

Fear and Desire (1953)- 9/10- The earliest of Kubrick's efforts is acceptable, restored by the Library of Congress, and faithful to the film's elements. The BD reflects the fact, though, that the elements are not in as high condition as those of the other film.

Killer's Kiss (1955)- 9/10- A nice transfer from Criterion, very film-like. Only needs lossless audio.

The Killing (1956)- 8/10- Has some chroma noise but is otherwise all right.

Paths of Glory (1958)- 10/10- Criterion did a good job on this one. It's sourced from a UCLA restoration, I believe. Probably the best looking Kubrick Blu-Ray.

Spartacus (1960)- 2/10- An unmitigated failure in almost all respects. It is DVNR'ed to the point that the figures start looking like wax, and one gets the uncanny valley effect. It was taken from an old transfer ridden with scanner noise. To add icing on the cake, the color restoration work, based off of an IB print, done by Robert Harris, has been completely ignored. The audio prevents this from having a 0/10.

Lolita (1963)- 8/10- There aren't really any problems with this one. I think the transfer could be slightly improved if done more recently, though it is perfectly acceptable to be honest.

Dr. Strangelove (1964)- 8/10- It looks all right to me, about the same as Lolita. I'm not sure if the 4K restoration running in cinemas was used for the BD. If it wasn't, then that would likely make an improved BD.

2001 (1968)- 8/10- The detail is all right, though it could be greatly improved due to the large format elements of the film. For a reference to how nice 70mm elements can look, watch the Lawrence of Arabia BD. As more knowledgeable minds than mine have covered, color timing is off; proper color can be found on the Criterion LD.

Clockwork Orange (1971)- 3/10- It looks pretty bad to be honest. The color timing looks off. It does not look film-like at all, very soft and digital with some slight pixelation. Contrast is weak. Clearly, it is a master made for the DVD era that would compress easy and is bright. There's a 4K restoration already made and transferred; clips are on special features of the newest BD, which is a pity when one sees them in comparison to the main feature.

Barry Lyndon (1975)- 7.5/10- It is slightly horizontally stretched compared to the DVD and LD, but it might actually be more accurate, I'm not sure. The aspect ratio is 1:78, despite the intended aspect ratio being between 1:66-1:75. To be perfectly honest, though, 1:75 and 1:78 is hardly a world of difference, as long as your overscan is off. It is likely many projectionists, lacking the proper plates, ignored the instructions and screened it as wide as 1:85. The BD is very colorful and film-like, with a healthy amount of film grain, probably the best looking of Kubrick's color features. May be the only BD-era transfer of a color Kubrick film.

The Shining (1980)- 6/10- It could use improvement. The picture doesn't look that film-like and assumes a more video-like appearance. The grain isn't there, so it would compress better... for DVD, that is. Detail survives though, relatively speaking. Contrast is lacking, and the brightness is too high, detrimental for a horror movie. The color timing is flawed for some reason, and correct timing can be seen in the HD documentary "Terror in the Aisles." A BD-era transfer would do wonders. It's also bothersome that the BD doesn't offer multiple cuts by seamless branching for the European Cut, which was edited by Kubrick himself. Aspect ratio should be 1:85, ideally.

Full Metal Jacket (1987)- 7/10- It's basically like the Shining but without the color issues. The brightness is too high like that one, and the contrast is too low, as well. Aspect ratio should be 1:85, ideally.

Eyes Wide Shut (1999)- 6/10- Technically, this looks like an all right BD, with contrast and color natural-looking to the normal viewer's eye. But, it ruins the aesthetic of the film. The film was supposed to be grainy with deep saturated colors. However, this was made for the DVD era where such grain would have been a complete mess with MPEG-2 Compression. That being said, in the age of AVC BD, this could be presented properly.

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#680850
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Last movie seen
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Seen a lot of movies this Christmas season:

Se7en (1995)- 9 out of 10 boxes

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (1966)- 9.5 out of 10 shot-off nooses

Manhunter (1986)- 9 out of 10 flaming wheelchairs

Silence of the Lambs (1991)- 9 out of 10 night-vision goggles

The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug (2013)- 6 out of 10 barrels filled with dwarfs

Hannibal (2001)- 4 out of 10 stabbed pickpockets

The Majestic (2001)- 7.5 out of 10 revived movie theaters

The Love Guru (2007)- 2 out of 10 nonsequitors

The Conjuring (2013)- 8 out of 10 nightmare-inducing dolls

Observe and Report (2009)- 5 out of 10 awkward sex scenes with Ray Liotta

The Mummy (1959)- 7.5 out of 10 scrolls

Night and the City (1950)- 8 out of 10 mink coats

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#680848
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Doctor Who
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I will give it this, though: the final scene of Matt Smith in the TARDIS was done well. If it was shown in a clip show of the Doctor's regenerations, it would look very good, in comparison to many others.

It's a pity that the ending was somewhat ruined by Capaldi's entrance, which oddly didn't have the standard morphing effect.

Then again, Davison's regeneration ends with Colin Baker trying to kill Peri... yet it's highly regarded, so go figure.

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#680769
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[spoRv] projects - past and future
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I'm not sure if you're interested in this Andrea, but Dawn of the Dead has a recent Japanese release with a new transfer!

http://www.ghoulbasement.com/2013/12/second-update-on-japanese-dawn-of-dead.html

The release, though, is not without its flaws. It is green (maybe teal?) shifted, and it was encoded using RGB levels which makes contrast levels too low. That being said, it has grain intact and substantially more detail than the Anchor Bay-based BDs.

It should be quite an easy fix to you or any other forum members here. I played around myself with the caps, and the color is still fully intact underneath the green. The transfer hasn't been regraded so much that its unsalvageable. Remove the green and you have a very saturated image that is somewhat blue (which I can buy is the original color timing). Contrast adjustment should be a cinch.

Only issue is the price. Without shipping, the individual release for the theatrical cut is already $36. 

That being said, I'd be excited if anyone had a go at this. It looks like it's ripe for BD-customization.

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#680637
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Movies with wrong color grading *** UPDATED ***
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captainsolo, I saw your post in the Last Movie Seen thread before this one and responded there first. But, I, like timdiggerm, would be interested in seeing some tweaked screen caps to simulate the look you're talking about.

Prints often add contrast and have an inkier look than is replicated on most BDs due to lack of care or interest. I picture Batman Returns though being a movie really affected by the quality of its visuals.

A custom BD disc might be interesting with tweaked video and lossless laserdisc audio. Perhaps the color of the LD could be used (as you say it is slightly more accurate). Then, the picture could be darkened appropriately.

I wonder how Batman originally looked, though Batman Returns seemed to be the darker (both visually and thematically).

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#680633
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Last movie seen
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captainsolo said:.

The darkness and color depth are insane. Take every video copy and dial down the brightness almost all the way, and then you begin to approach just how rich the print is. Words fail me. It is gorgeous. The color timing on top of this is very subtle, and not filled with the overall blues everywhere on video. Then there may have been Technicolor magic to boot.

Very interesting. Would be interested to see what could be done to the BD to make it more similar to the theatrical timing. Then muxing in a rip of the LD audio would probably make the perfect version.

Knowing your knowledge of such things, might I ask: is the LD most accurate but simply brighter? Andrea's technique, with some modifications, could then be used.

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#680449
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Movies with wrong color grading *** UPDATED ***
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captainsolo said:

Die Hard is teal on the new 4K DCP. Some places are somewhat noticeable more than others.

Is detail good though? I'm hoping for a new BD release.

I'm aiming to go to my arthouse's midnight screening of Batman Returns tonight as they're supposedly showing a 35mm original. And of course being me I will call up and ask the projectionist if it will be Dolby SR or the 5.1.

 Be interested in the color timing.