Belbucus' one has the silent parts filled with the 93 mix, but I imagine removing that would be easy enough. If that is the case yes, the Belbucus isolated score is uncompressed.
Okay then that's great. I have the PAL audio and have slowed it back down to 23.976fps so work on ROTJ is underway.
I was reading through the Belbucus PCM thread and have to ask, is there anybody here who still has the ISOSCOREs for Empire and Jedi? I found the Star Wars one successfully, but not the ones for the two later films.
Found that track on a.b.starwars. I heard somewhere (Save Star Wars?) that the PAL GOUT was struck from the NTSC master, but I am not entirely sure. If that is the case the audio will sync with the NTSC synced audio and I will know if there is a difference.
Damn, I wish I'd got that awhile ago. I have tried various different usenet trials and the last one I used got finally worked, but has run out since. I might have to look into another newsserver.
Hmm. All that I really need is a basic waveform reference that is in sync with the PAL video. If either of your mixes are a reliable sync, then I would be more than happy if I could use those as a reference.
I actually have not seen Conan before, but with the previous references I have of his work and yours I am sure it is amazing. I remember seeing awhile ago that you were working on or had worked on a Conan restoration. Is your and ABC's work intertwined or coincidental?
Just to update, the final release of this will likely be packed in a synced collection of the theatrical, 85, 93 and commentary mixes for each film in the OT. After enacting the changes suggested by CatBus, I am fairly happy with the theatrical mix of ESB, and will be moving on to ROTJ. Out of curiosity are there any mixes of the PAL GOUT for ROTJ floating around? Despite being in a PAL territory, my GOUT DVDs are NTSC not PAL, so I don't have the PAL ROTJ mix, which I imagine is the best reference for syncing to PAL ROTJ-based projects.
Yeah I have seen the Imperial Edition, which by the way is the most completely kick-ass orchestral movie experience I have ever encountered. I'm not suprised there aren't lossless or uncompressed sources for the EditDroid set. I have been working on collating lossless sound mixes for the OT and syncing them for the many great projects here, and everything except for the Isolated scores (Theatrical, 85, 93 and commentary mixes) is available in non-lossy formats. If there were ever Imperial versions done for SW and ROTJ I would be amazed, as the quality of the ESB one is mind-blowing (although ESB also has the best score IMO).
Just asking in case anyone out there knows, were the Isolated Scores used by the EditDroid set lossless, if not were there available lossless sources, and furthermore are there any lossless sources of Isolated scores for the original trilogy?
Okay so I am getting near happy enough to put out a test version of this. I will upload it to a dead drop spot, where it will be for two weeks, and can send a link and password to any who are interested. If you would like to have a copy and send me some feedback, pm me.
Yeah I'll happily confirm mysycamore's point about missing frames. I have been using ACID, and going through the whole film matching waveforms of the laserdisc rips against the 80 and 93 mixes contained in both DJ v3 and Despecialized Edition 1.0. Where waveforms don't match up is where frames are missing. I resync these parts then crossfade/patch the gaps. This is why it is not entirely ready, as some of the patches I am really not happy with.
Okay, so while I haven't gotten to giving ROTJ a serious go yet, I have synced the 80, 85, 93 and LD commentary mixes for TESB. I am thinking about doing this for all 3 films, apart from the theatrical and home video mixes for SW which I understand have been done. The size of the results, even when FLAC'd, makes it unlikely to send out testers, as at just under 2gigs a film, they're not the kind of thing I would want to put on a filehost, but they are not 'final' enough for a torrent. The 80 and 85 mixes were matched against current 'theatrical' sources, other than the digital rips, and synced. The 93s were given the same treatment, and then I picked the best out of the original Definitive rips and the 'Faces' rips, and while both are virtually the same for some reason I found the 'Faces' rips sounded better. So a theatrical mix, home video mix, 'Faces' mix, and commentary mix is my plan. I am not totally sure about complete patching, as h_h's observations of SW showed me I am out of my depth trying to do that, so outside of patching disc changeovers, and particularly egregious errors, I will likely not patch much. Oh, and the commentary is the mono commentary rips dropped 20dB, and layered over the theatrical rips, which are dropped 30dB.
CatBus, is there anyway you could get me timecodes for the exact frames that need fixing in ROTJ? I've tried with VLC, MPC and others, but I can't get an exact timecode in ms or ff that I can use to get the exact ms values I need to change in the audio.
Have been really busy this week with University, but I am still planning on doing a flyover of TESB, patching if needed and then upping that somewhere. I am thinking the spleen would be best as I have no Usenet access, but I am not entirely sure what the best option is. I was watching over SW 2.1 the other day with the Digital rip and noticed the pitch error on the binary sunset scene, so I may go back for that as well. I'm not sure whether I should up each track seperately, or put up a synced and fixed lossless trilogy of schorman's rips.
Also, does anyone know any program that I could use to view ROTJ DE frame-by-frame with ms timecodes without converting it. I know VirtualDub is good, but I really don't want to convert to AVI.
On fonts, I always quite liked the Arial Narrow one which is on the 'Despecialized Edition' pic in the first post.
I was thinking about PAL conforming, but I think that I need a way of capturing as direct as possible. I attempted to scale down 2.1 to a PAL DVD5 for a friend, and the colors lookes almost GOUT-like, and not in a good way.
Leonardo said:
Now that we have the technology, why not send the video signal to the vcr squeezed all the way to 4:3, and unsqueeze it during playback using the tv's aspect ratio options?
As I mentioned before, I like the idea of both, so I might make a squeezed 4:3, and a letterboxed 4:3, maintaining the black bars in the source video of course. Now, I need to check if my VCR does NTSC, or is PAL only.
All jokes aside, I do have a VCR and it would be fun to transfer to VHS and see what it looks like on the old format. Although I'm not sure whether letterbox or fullscan would be better.
Are there ROTJ audio sources that are synced to the preservations here? The mixes I used are from DE 1.0 and DJ v3 so I had assumed they were already synced, but if not it was not something I had noticed before.
My expertise in film audio is virtually non-existent. I've used ACID, Audacity and FL Studio for a few years, and have done a bit of video production at University, but it's unlikely anything I ouput would be at the same standard as a lot of the audio work on this forum. So far I have aligned the digital rips against other GOUT-synced audio sources, and patched the disc change gaps with the analogue captures of the theatrical mixes. Outside of that, and matching the master gain to fall in line with other mixes I have not made any changes.
I will scan over these in the next few days, and see what needs fixing. Does anyone know of any particular defects that are in these mixes already?
As far as I am aware schorman has these, and they are part of the Star Wars Laser Disc Audio Archive on the 'Spleen. I am looking into syncing these rips to match the other GOUT-synced mixes, as the jump between the Digital rips and the Analogue ones is night and day.
I'm not sure if it exists anywhere outside the Newsgroups, but I have a copy of Schorman's Digital Capture of the Orginal 77 Mix. On top of that, I have converted the WAV to DTSHD for my own purposes. What would be the best way to pass this on? Or has h_h got this covered with his collection of lossless tracks?
Schorman's Digital Rip of the 1977 Stereo Mix would be a great addition, as it seems to sound better than the analogue rip of the same mix.
Any chance of somebody being able to upload the GOUT-synced version to MySpleen? It would be greatly appreciated. I tried a newsgroup trial to acquire it, but the connection kept resetting and I wasn't able to download the files.
Hey does anyone, including Harmy, know what the font is that's used for the 'Despecialized Edition' title in the picture from the first post?