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Again with the epileptic fits ;-)

ferris209 said:

the very genetic desire to protect women could interfere with a male soldiers ability to perform his job correctly.

 But wouldn't friendship between men do that too? The more friendly you are with another man ("Your brother in arms") the less likely you'd be to make the correct life-or-death choice, by your logic. Hang on... that means you are saying that unit cohesion itself, is destroying unit cohesion! Ahhh paradox!

ferris209 said:

He lists long wartime deployments as a leading retention negative.

 ^ That's the condensed version ;-)

^ She left her mark alright. Great in Dr Who, great in Hammer Horror.

Monroville said:

May be a bit off topic, but here is something you guys might enjoy:

Sabotage - Empire Strikes Back

 Off topic yes but very very good thanks. Intergalactic vs ROTJ is even better

Witches can be male or female, although the only witch I've known personally was female.

FrankT said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

FrankT said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Oh and George, Ric McCallum and the rest of the crew thought TPM was cr*p too (Not just OT fans). Anybody got a link to that footage of them in stunned and horrified silence for a few seconds after the first private screening?

 If that's true, how come they didn't just throw it out and do it over again? Especially since they had it planned out from the start?

 Found it (The aftermath of the first screening is at 54.50)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8sBsnYNucM

My moments are: George dejectedly saying "I may have gone too far" and "It boggles the mind", Ben Burtt disecting some of the things wrong with it and the best is the shot of Ric McCallum at 54.41 looking like he's going to burst into tears. Then them all standing around in the kitchen with George saying it can't be fixed LOL.

 Of course, that was just the rough cut... still...

I've never forgotten the moment that whoever-it-was stood on stage, said "This is awesome", sending the crowd wild just as the film started... I can't even begin to imagine the disappointment that followed.

 It was McCallum in that same video I linked to. The video ends/fades-out with everybody at the premiere cheering the SW logo and just before reading the crawl. Peter Serafinowicz (Darth Maul) talks about the moment at the premiere just after that video ends, in this podcast (About 25 minutes in)...

https://soundcloud.com/britishcomedyguide/richard-herring-lst-podcast-12-peter-serafinowicz

...when everyone started reading all the nonsense about trade disputes etc and realising something was very, very wrong.

As far as I know Lucas didn't have to call all the actors back to reshoot half their scenes in ANH like he did on TPM (And the other two). Because ANH's problems were all down to pacing and 99% of the ground-breaking FX and wonderous music being missing, the performances, story and setup were all sound.

I've done the best part of a long-long cut of the ANH workprint with any and all material added back in (40 minutes-ish). It slows the pace down massively but it's still an enjoyable film because the material is just plain good no matter how you arrange or edit it.

TPM material was flawed from the very deepest core of it's inception. No amount of skilled editing is gonna pull a 1977 out of a 1999 and I think that's was why the blood had drained from all their faces after watching that TPM rough cut.

FrankT said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Oh and George, Ric McCallum and the rest of the crew thought TPM was cr*p too (Not just OT fans). Anybody got a link to that footage of them in stunned and horrified silence for a few seconds after the first private screening?

 If that's true, how come they didn't just throw it out and do it over again? Especially since they had it planned out from the start?

 Found it (The aftermath of the first screening is at 54.50)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8sBsnYNucM

My moments are: George dejectedly saying "I may have gone too far" and "It boggles the mind", Ben Burtt disecting some of the things wrong with it and the best is the shot of Ric McCallum at 54.41 looking like he's going to burst into tears. Then them all standing around in the kitchen with George saying it can't be fixed LOL.

Something positive for a change ;-)...

Guardian - UK's first same-sex marriages go ahead

Much as I dislike Cameron, the Prime Minister did say some good things on this momentus day...

"The introduction of same-sex civil marriage says something about the sort of country we are.

"It says we are a country that will continue to honour its proud traditions of respect, tolerance and equal worth. It also sends a powerful message to young people growing up who are uncertain about their sexuality.

"It clearly says 'you are equal' whether straight or gay. That is so important in trying to create an environment where people are no longer bullied because of their sexuality - and where they can realise their potential, whether as a great mathematician like Alan Turing, a star of stage and screen like Sir Ian McKellen or a wonderful journalist and presenter like Clare Balding."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THuhAg7a9Sg

Oh and George, Ric McCallum and the rest of the crew thought TPM was cr*p too (Not just OT fans). Anybody got a link to that footage of them in stunned and horrified silence for a few seconds after the first private screening?

SilverWook said:

I still wonder if George came across his desk when he was thinking about that prototype.

 Did you mean this?

Bingowings said:

..and I realised with horror that I'd seen this awful thing before

 Wow what's that? Like Doctor Who if it was drawn by Moebius!

I did notice the missing colours on the turret from the earlier shots (Maybe you get paints for those later). There are different Falcon minatures though from film to film so it may not be inacurate but there are probably people here who know more about that than I (As I just did the classic AMT/ERTL kit as a kid and that was way off).

RicOlie_2 said:

The huge amount of models, life-size props, and miniatures.

The percentage of models and real sets compared to the OT is very low.

 Yes to RicOlie_2 ^ you listen.

I'm pretty sure I pointed out this following analogy somewhere else to you, but here it is again as I don't think you heard it the first time...

Saying there is 'more Models in the PT than the OT' is like saying there is 'more sugar in a Lemon than a Strawberry'. It might be true but a Lemon still tastes horribly bitter compared to a sweet succulant seasonal summery Strawberry (How's that for an alliteration). Translation = Your point is irrelevant.

OBI-WAN37 said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Places change over time. It would have been almost boring an unimaginative it Tatooine was the same place in the PT as it was in the OT.

 Yes kinda like records... you need to change them.

 Those are like two completely different things. Would Star Wars for instance be a very interesting story if the whole Star Wars galaxy remained under the Empire's reign? Of course not.

 I think maybe you've missed my point... and my joke

OBI-WAN37 said:

Places change over time. It would have been almost boring an unimaginative it Tatooine was the same place in the PT as it was in the OT.

 Yes kinda like records... you need to change them.

OBI-WAN37 said:

There are more miniatures and models in each Star Wars prequels than entire OT. The whole "there's too much CGI" is not true. I've seen people comment on TFN saying they prefer the original trilogy but still know there are more models and miniatures in the PT. I love the PT. I think it's more fun and moving than the OT, and are better films.

 If you Ban OBI-WAN37 he'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

He's BACK!!

TV's Frink said:

Yeah, because women (especially famous women) are allowed to age gracefully.

And I've seen much worse.

 Yep. Did you see Kim Novak at the Oscars? I nearly ran screaming from my TV.

UK columist Amanda Platell showed up on TV the other week after much surgery and it was horrific... although knowing Amanda's track record, I wondered if it was really down to the Dark Side of the Force corrupting her soul and body like Palpatine ;-)

Shame some women in the public eye feel they have to go through that when they looked beautiful anyway. Mickey Rourke has gotten away with it to a certain extent by playing deformed criminals or deformed wrestlers.

Carrie by comparison has had a minimal ammount of work done and you can't trust badly lit press photos or interviews. I'm sure when JJ is behind the camera he'll make Carrie look like "One million Space Bucks".

Kermode talks Lucas "He wasn't always a terrible Director"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtzR5NGD1ec

RicOlie_2 said:

Ferris did not blame gays in the military for Russia taking Crimea.

 My mistake, it was just that the following post made it sound like he did exactly that...

ferris209 said:

Mrebo said:

If we had oriented our foreign policy efforts differently, maybe we would have headed off the situation in the Ukraine.

 Exactly! If Obama had been strengthening the military the last five years instead of hollowing it out, demoralizing it, and using it as a social experiment then this would've never happened.

What Frink said above ^. If members on this board don't want to see (Are getting tired of) defences of Homosexuality in every other thread, then they shouldn't attack it in every other thread.

If something daft like what was said about "social experimentation" (In the politics thread) is posted, then I'd be surprised if Bingowings (And others) didn't take the time to point out how daft it is. Arrant nonsense like that should and will be challenged. If you can't deal with that, don't say it.

Tobar said:

launched today:

STAR WARS ASSAULT TEAMThough they use ROTS Chewie. =(

Watched another Patrick Troughton show, this time the four-parter 'The Krotons'.

The Doctor, Zoe and Jamie arrive on a desolate planet and by their mere presence they disrupt a civilisation that has existed for a 1000 years. The Gonds (A humanoid) people are ruled over by The Krotons who feed The Gonds their knowledge of Science and Mathematics but only the parts The Krotons want them to know. So chemistry isn't on the cariculum because it can be used to make bombs or gunpowder for guns, that The Gonds might use against them. It's the Apartheid problem being addressed again and The Krotons themselves are supposed to have South-African accents (I thought it sounded more brummie or midlands though).

The script is brilliantly constructed with Jamie and Zoe integral to the plot (Unlike most companions) and helping The Doctor succeed. The learning computer scene felt very remeniscent of the Vulcan test Spock undergoes in ST3 and there is even some hand animated visuals to simulate the advanced computers (Very cool stuff). Troughton is also on top form with him mucking about with The Krotons headsets and dancing across the planet's rocky landscape with a umbrella like Gene Kelly.

When the Doctor and Joe get subjected to the Dynotrope machine in episode 2, it got very trippy, almost like an out-take from Eraserhead. It was nice to see Phillip Madoc playing the "villain" again as he was one the best things about the 2nd Cushing movie.