My ideal NOTLD would be the original film, but with Judith O’Dea completely removed and Patricia Tallman’s assertive Barbara from the 1990 remake inserted in her place. If I had the money to afford the hardware/software, this is a fanedit I’d jump at tackling, feasibility notwithstanding.
fmalover said:
How would Owen know anything about Anakin’s convictions if he barely said “hello” to him.He could have overheard Anakin shouting about the women and children he killed I guess.
It’s an open secret that Owen’s a voyeur and there’re secret bugs, cameras, and two-way mirrors all over the ranch.
As far as film critics’ vs. audience scores go, I don’t trust either.
I don’t know, I was just watching Empire Strikes Back the other day, and actually it’s pretty surprising how calm and reserved Vader is most of the time. In A New Hope Vader loses his temper once, in the very first scene, when he’s like “Tear the ship apart and bring me the plans!” or whatever. But in Empire he’s very subdued. He never loses his temper - he just calmly kills you when he feels you’re under-performing. The closest he comes to sounding angry is when he says to Ozzel “You have failed me for the last time, Admiral”, but in fact he barely even raises his voice when saying this. He just wants Ozzel to shut up so he can tell Piett the plan going forward. He comes off as ruthlessly efficient, which goes along with his “half-machine” persona.
Sometimes Vader sounds a bit impatient - it’s kind of funny when some Officer has to bother him when he’s inside that meditation chamber, and Vader is like “What is it, General?” You can hear slight impatience in his voice. But he never rages or loses his temper. He’s the complete opposite of Kylo Ren. And definitely way more subdued than Anakin, who was constantly flipping out in both Episode 2 and 3. We can make excuses for this personality difference by saying that over the years Vader became more mature as a Sith and learned to channel his anger in more constructive ways or whatever, but honestly the reality is that Anakin’s portrayal just kind of sucks.
Also of interest to continuity is that Vader is slightly different in A New Hope because he essentially was a different character at that time. He was written as more of a generic villain who killed Luke’s dad. It was only with Empire that Vader became a more complex character, and his personality changed slightly to reflect that. But the difference between Episode 4 Vader and Episode 5 Vader is barely even noticeable compared to Prequel Anakin versus OT Vader.
You can see this contrast more clearly when you compare Leigh Brackett’s TESB draft with the final film.
Well, unless the Filoni-verse can pull off a miracle and make me care about the ST setup, this movie will be a hard pass, possibly an unpleasant pass. Still trying to ignore and forget about TROS completely, but we’ll see.
I will say it is indeed painful to see Rey take on this mantle of “first of the new” that was fully meant for Luke - regardless of what is text or isn’t, Luke wins in ROTJ by defying his elders, and they all look proudly back to him at the end, which symbolizes how right he was to go against their wishes. It’s been the major understanding of the franchise for decades - that Luke would be the first of the new, his masters the last of the old. It makes sense, the Empire that they were unable to stop was defeated by Luke, the status quo completely changed, everything changed. Luke has a clear path and a blank page to make a better Jedi Order than ever before. Even Timothy Zahn saw this way when writing Thrawn, and I don’t think anybody objected, because I’m pretty sure that’s how everyone interpreted Return of the Jedi.
Sadly for some inexplicable reason the sequels took that away from him, and while seeing Rey at the end of TROS explicitly on this same exact path felt really bad, actually getting, to her, what we should’ve gotten for post-ROTJ Luke is… hard to stomach. Ugh.
Yeah.
I think a lot of us who were loners growing up saw ourselves in Luke. We wanted for him what we wanted most for ourselves: happiness, family, love, success. The Expanded Universe, for all its faults, delivered on this. We never wanted him sacrificed in a cynical zero-sum game.
But can we please stop equating “sequel hate” to some kind of “right wing” movement? It’s honestly tiresome… Peoples politics have absolutely nothing to do with how people felt about these movies.
It is tiresome. I’m no mind-reader, but it’s a safe bet I’m among the most left-wing of the posters on this site, if not the most left-wing, and I’ve never liked TFA or the 60-odd minutes of TLJ I watched.
Reactionary troglodytes are the most outspoken critics of these movies – and don’t doubt for a second that that fact gets under my skin every, single, time I think about it – but it’s not fair to lump every dissenting voice in with their camp.
Yoda did train Obi Wan, from a certain point of view.
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Night of the Living Dead. I tried watching it a couple days ago, but it has aged horribly. The protagonist is a “helpless screaming blonde” of the type that was unfortunately common in old Hollywood…
I’m pretty sure the protagonist was the black guy, Ben
I now have in my head the image of Duane Jones with Judith O’Dea’s blond locks. Priceless.
Obviously, these gifs fail to adequately convey the fathomless depth of my contempt and loathing for this blasphemous abomination. Still, you catch my drift.
There are so many other things I want to offer to the world, including some of my own fiction. I’d love to make movies myself. I’d like be known as an innovator in horror fiction. But I can’t bring myself to work on such things, because I’m afraid of failure.
I feel this.
Sigourney Weaver
It’s a shame Klaus Kinski was cremated. If there’s anyone who deserves to have their grave desecrated, he’s a top contender.
Why?
He sexually abused his daughter, Pola, from when she was five years old up 'til nineteen.
It’s a shame Klaus Kinski was cremated. If there’s anyone who deserves to have their grave desecrated, he’s a top contender.
I have absolute zero interest in anything else Disney presently has to offer, and you couldn’t pay me to watch a goddamn cartoon about Ewoks.
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I just wonder if the whole concept of ‘cute 9 year-old transitioning into evil warlord’ was too much for Star Wars to handle whilst keeping things family friendly. It’s one thing to have it all implied in the OT, but it’s another thing to actually attempt to depict it.
For example my other favourite movie, Conan the Barbarian, does it perfectly. Conan, as a 9 year-old, sees his parents and kin slaughtered by an evil cult, is thrown into slavery (real slavery, not the suburban TPM version!), then sold into gladiatorial combat before being freed as an adult. Throughout this experience he is entirely driven by vengeance. There’s your Anakin. There’s a guy who legitimately could become Darth Vader. If Obi Wan had met that guy on Tatooine and they’d established a friendship, and then Anakin had been forced to choose between revenge and Jedi pacifism (maybe the guy who had slaughtered his parents had seen the light and become a Jedi Master for example), right there you’d have the perfect catalyst for a clash of ideals between legitimate friends/allies. But it would be dark stuff…Making a movie aimed at children with dark elements is something nobody seems willing to do these days. The Neverending Story and The Dark Crystal are examples that come to mind. Those movies wouldn’t get made today.
What you get when the Helen Lovejoys of the world make the rules. Which is why I’m adamant on introducing any kids I have to horror and softcore porn before they hit double-digits.
Guy who did all those horny covers for Marville.
I’ve read so many comments online lamenting how the Sequels ruined Star Wars and all that. This is kind of funny to me, because I’m like, yeah welcome to the club. I don’t like the Sequels either but from my perspective, Star Wars was pretty much irrevocably damaged in 1999. Truthfully, at this point Star Wars is like 90% crap, with A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back really standing out as the only truly great movies. But despite this, every now and then a small miracle occurs and we get something like Andor, which apparently was written by people from a different Universe where entertainment companies actually give a shit about story and writing. I still can’t believe that show is even real.
Pretty much my perspective, too.
I do receive some small pleasure that the supercilious PT/EU fanboys now get to experience what we OOT fans have had to feel since at least 2005.
The Star Wars films are mythologized retellings of historical events, which each succeeding trilogy being less historically accurate than the one previous.
The OT is the trilogy that most closely recaptures the actual events, though there’s still a gradient. SW is the most accurate; the timeline’s compressed, and some of the superficial details (lightsaber colours, for instance), are wrong, but you can be assured that you’re not being grossly misled. TESB is murkier; Anakin & Vader were actually separate individuals all along, and the timeline’s even more compressed this time around. ROTJ is the most mythologized; Luke & Leia weren’t siblings, and there never was a second Death Star, though there probably was a climactic battle between Imperial & Rebel forces which occurred concurrently with some encounter between Luke, Vader, and Palpatine.
The PT is heavily mythologized. If the Jedi ever had a Chosen One prophecy, it was applied to Anakin/Vader retroactively. Anakin/Vader had a human father. The Clone Wars were multiple conflicts involving several disparate parties which were condensed into a single major war with two sides. The Jedi rebellion/Jedi purge were longer/more complicated events. Boba Fett may or may not have been the son of Jango Fett, who may or may not have been a clone template, but he wasn’t a clone himself.
There’s virtually nothing about the ST that matches actual history. It’s just a nth-generation retelling of the OT. There probably was an Admiral Holdo who died in a kamikaze attack in some battle with Imperials, but that’s about as close to historical accuracy as it gets.
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Also, yikes, this thread has a LOT of broken file links!
Time, destroyer of worlds and URLs.
(Also, not sure if this thread is specifically dedicated to meme-like images since that’s what I’m seeing the most of. Either way wanted to share these. I think Cooke was a great cartoonist and its a shame we lost him.)
There’s another thread for SW art:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Awesome-Star-Wars-art-pic-heavy/id/47273
I doubt anyone minds, though.
Nowadays I don’t mind some sexualization as long as it’s not Frank Miller levels of it. Sexualization is a spectrum and it’s all really about intent.
Yes, thank you. As a sex-positive feminist, I get pretty fucking sick to death of sex-negativity from “the left”.