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#1486861
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Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Released)
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G&G-Fan said:

That moment is when the audience learns that the Chancellor is moving to take control of the Jedi council.

Ahh see I think that’s where I disagree, because it’s where the audience learns that the Jedi believe that the Chancellor is moving to take control of the Jedi council.

The natural question of the viewer is ‘why?’ and LOE doesn’t give an answer for that until afterwards, which I think doesn’t make for very clear storytelling. The only answer the viewer can give at that moment is that we know that the chancellor is Sidious and is evil, or if the viewer doesn’t know that, it seems like Yoda is beyond paranoid for no reason at all. I love LOE and its intentions - particularly in the way it portrays the Jedi as completely playing into Sidious’ hands and being politically over-assertive in such a way that the audience should end up with a critique of them - however, here Yoda seems completely irrational and I think more importantly it is a moment where you as the viewer may well feel like they’ve missed crucial information that explains the Yoda’s quite specific worries about the Chancellor. (Tbf if Yoda/the council were expressing more general worries in this scene, it would do a good job of introducing the viewer to the idea that Palpatine is looking to tighten his grip on power, but they are specific enough that I felt it was a bit of a ‘Huh?’ moment).

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#1486593
Topic
Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Released)
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On this:
"Replaced scene with Windu hearing that Obi-Wan has engaged Grievous with deleted scene “A Plot to Destroy the Jedi” earlier in the film. (V6 repositions this scene immediately prior to Anakin missing the briefing, up from right before Anakin’s appointment to the Council as in prior versions of this fan edit.)”

I was just wondering what your justification was? With the more political angel of LOE (which I love btw), it makes a lot of sense to have the Jedi express doubt about the Chancellor nice and early, but for Yoda to say “Moving to take control of the Jedi Council the Chancellor is” without anything having happened yet in that regard, feels very strange. To me it feels quite confusing - bit of a ‘huh?’ moment. Like yeah we’ve seen Palpatine get Anakin to kill Dooku, but beyond that, for the audience, he hasn’t done any political scheming yet, let alone to do with the Jedi Council. I haven’t watched the theatrical RotS for a few years so hopefully I’m not too tainted with expectations, but I felt like I had missed some crucial information there.

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#1486367
Topic
Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Released)
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Did you consider/have you considered using sade1212’s visual effects of Palpatine’s face-change during Windu/Sidious? Watched octoroxx’s edit today and it was very seamless and effective IMO. EDIT: Never mind saw your response on this! (For those looking, it’s on page 44.)

Also, on a separate question, I appreciated octoroxx’s adding of little bits of dialogue largely in the 1st act (see below) to make Obi-Wan and Anakin more on equal terms / brotherly to more firmly establish that relationship and improve the ‘you were my brother Anakin!’ angle of the fall. Would you consider adding that to a hypothetical v8?

“-Removed or replaced all instances of Anakin referring to his training and/or calling Obi-Wan his master in order to better establish his independence and their relationship as peers at this point in the timeline.
-Anakin shoots down Palpatine’s advice to leave Obi-Wan behind the first time, rather than having to be pushed twice.
-Replaced the line “Are you coming master?” with the more jocular “We doing this or what?”
-Trimmed Anakin and Obi-Wan’s dialogue to remove reference to Obi-Wan’s training. Anakin is his own Jedi at this point.
-Anakin greets Obi-Wan with a casual “hey” after showing up late to the briefing
-Removed references to Anakin’s training and his time as a little boy. Again, he addresses Obi-Wan by name rather than title. The emphasis should be on Anakin and Obi-Wan as friends and “brothers”, not master and apprentice.”

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g2NmJYOkNHSzvguMgKMvTYaCcPSQqwOKI6nQNjMoxQM/edit?usp=sharing

Apologies if you have considered this and addressed it elsewhere - I did do a search but couldn’t find anything directly addressing this. EDIT: Never mind again - trawled back to page 28 and saw your response on this!

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#1485738
Topic
What is Your Preferred Watch Order, and Which Versions (Fan edits/official releases)?
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Personally, this is me (assuming I have to watch all the live-action, theatrical releases):

‘Phase 1’
Star Wars (4K77 or Despecialized)
Empire Strikes Back (4K80 (when released) or Despecialized.)
Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (octoroxx’s ‘Sanded Down’.)
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (HAL9000’s ‘Labyrinth of Evil’.)
Return of the Jedi (4k83 or Despecialized.)

‘Phase 2’
Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (HAL9000’s Cloak of Deception.)
Solo: A Star Wars Story (Theatrical/Bluray)
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Theatrical/Bluray)

‘Phase 3’
Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Theatrical/Bluray)
Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Theatrical/Bluray)
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Theatrical/Bluray)

If I’m doing a marathon, I have a little break between phases. Phase 2 is skippable, especially since I don’t like Solo at all.


Phase 1 - Star Wars
Experience the story of Luke Skywalker, his journey from farm boy, to war hero, to Jedi Knight. Witness the shattering revelation that Luke’s own father is the dark lord Darth Vader, the man who was once Anakin Skywalker. See Anakin’s tragic fall, and his final redemption at the hands of his son.

[This is the ‘main story’ of Luke Skywalker, with a delve into the prequels to answer all the questions we are left with at the end of Empire. This is the classic Machete Order.]


Phase 2 - Star Wars Stories
How did Anakin, powerful Jedi and dark lord of the Sith, come to join the Jedi order? How did the Rebels acquire those fateful Death Star plans? How did Han and Chewie come to meet? In these films, we delve into those areas of the Star Wars universe unexplored by the central films.

[If I want to watch all the films, this is where I put the odd ones out. It effectively distances those with different tones (Solo, Rogue One) to the saga films, and it means you don’t have to derail the Machete Order by watching Episode I. It also puts a bit of distance between the ‘main story’ and the Sequels, which reckon with the originals in a way that is more impactful if a bit of time is spent between 6 and 7. ]


Phase 3 - Star Wars Legacy
After the destruction of the Empire, tales of heroes and of the force have faded into myth. A new threat presents itself, and new heroes must reckon with the legacy of the old.

[I personally don’t like TRoS, and can happily end with TLJ as a ‘and some stay the battle continues today - the light will always resist the darkness’ kind of ending. I’m looking forward to Lifeincontext’s The Last Jedi: A ST One-Film Edit as a very promising solution to my Sequel problems.]

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#1457960
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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What are some of the best ways people have seen (or can think of) that change the plot / cut down runtime of AOTC by changing the subtitle for Zam’s death?

Of course there’s L8wtr’s ‘He hired me on planet Kamino’, which always struck me as a clunky line even though overall I think the L8wtr’s strategy for increasing the pace of AOTC is a good one.

(Edit: for those not aware, L8wtr’s edit therefore cuts out Obi-Wan’s investigating both in the Jedi Archives and at Dexter’s diner)

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#1437036
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The Last Jedi: A ST One-Film Edit (WIP)
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Lifeincontext said:

Lifeincontext said:

Hey everyone!

After some necessary time away, I’m continuing my work on this.

A few things:

  • When Finn finally tells Rey that he’s a stormtrooper, I’ve added some flashback over that conversation with a couple moments from the original opening. It works!

  • I’m having trouble with the transition from Finn’s death into the Last Jedi. The scenes up until Rey & Chewie leave are really hard to work around, given that so much needs to be cut. I would love feedback/ideas about how to handle this. Here’s my thoughts so far:

  1. We see Chewie with the Falcon pick up Rey; cut to Resistance base, where Leia & Rey have their moment. Cut to Leia mourning Han (flashback to convo about Ben), then C-3PO interrupts. Cut from Leia’s “Tell me.” to Rey blasting off from the planet.
    OR
  2. Blackout on Rey mourning Finn. Cut to either Leia mourning Han (same as above) OR Leia bidding Rey goodbye before she leaves.
  • I’m still playing around with the ending. Thoughts?
  1. For right now, no more Kylo visions. Instead, after Rey cuts off Kylo, we cut to black. Then the next shot is the Death Star. I had some establishing shots of the interior, but they’re not long enough for it to flow, so those are gone. Instead, we cut from the initial establishing shot/maybe a shot or two of the gigantic waves splashing over the death star to Kylo remembering Han’s death/his father’s visitation. I’m also including a brief Rey-Kylo connection using the “I did want to take your hand” line.
  2. After Kylo leaves the Death Star, Rey arrives on Tatooine. I still have to decide between the two placements of the broom boy scenes. It’s either Rey approaches the homestead --> Kids story time…broom sweeping --> Rey sliding down hill OR Old woman asks Rey who she is --> Kids story time…broom boy sweeping --> Rey sees Luke. The ending beats would be the same either way.

I’m excited to get back to work. My goal is for this edit to flow as seamlessly as possible. I’m also admittedly a bit of a perfectionist, which may not be a great quality for fan-editing. Thanks to everyone who’s corresponded for your help!

Hey everyone,

Still working on this edit. Been busy with grad school applications/work, but I’ve been tackling other details. I’m now in the place to come back to the above problem spots. Anyone have any ideas?

Bumping this just to give Lifeincontext some support! From the clips I’ve seen, this really is hugely promising! I sometimes go back and watch the Rey/Broom boy ending its so gooood.

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#1375910
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The Last Jedi: A ST One-Film Edit (WIP)
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Lifeincontext said:

Spottyfriend said:

Wondered if there were any plans to continue with this? The ending section especially holds so much promise! If ever completed it definitely has the potential to save the ST for me!

Yes, there are plans. I’ve just been extremely busy, and I had to switch my editing software to a different computer. I’ll hopefully post an update soon. Sorry about that!

No worries at all!! Just wanted to check this hadn’t been abandoned or anything! Absolutely take your time!

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#1374908
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Idea: ‘Heir To The Jedi’ Duology (A TFA / TLJ spitball idea thread)
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In my opinion, this is still the most promising method by which to ‘save’ the sequel trilogy. Simply the idea of it is really exciting.

For me personally, I would be satisfied with HAL’s TFA Restructured, plus TLJ with a finished version of Lifeincontext’s ending (see here). Any further edits to improve on the duology structure would be gravy!

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#1350378
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The Last Jedi: A ST One-Film Edit (WIP)
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Lifeincontext said:

Lifeincontext said:

Spottyfriend said:

Lifeincontext said:

Here’s a new version of the ending. Based on some feedback, I tried to find an effective new arrangement of the Tatooine/Broom Boy clips. I found a moment I thought was interesting. Let me know what you guys think!

https://vimeo.com/418754884
PW: fanedit

This is great!

Really sorry to be THAT guy (!), but I’m still not entirely sure the initial Broom Boy scene placement fully works pacing-wise. It’s definitely a very cool idea: while Rey pauses, considering her place in the galaxy and Luke’s legacy, this is then mirrored by seeing Luke’s legacy in action, inspiring hope; we cut back to Rey taking the Skywalker name and effectively concluding her and Luke’s arc - great stuff! However, I feel like cutting away to Broom Boy stuff for 30 seconds effectively in the middle of a conversation (“who are you?” / “Rey Skywalker”), doesn’t quite work and feels a bit choppy. We’re expecting an answer from Rey, and instead we cut away to a totally different scene which we’ve never seen before (unlike in your previous version, where we are introduced to the Broom Boy scene in much more of a natural break).

Again, sorry for the lack of solutions!

Haha! Well I will say that I tried several other places For the broom boy stuff to go, but there really wasn’t a more natural fit that met both of your criteria lol. But I’ll take another look. 😃

Between the two options already presented, which feels better as a viewer?

Perhaps I’m in the minority? But I actually prefer the first version in terms of Broom Boy/Rey scene placement. I think it succeeds in telling the viewer at near the beginning - ‘we’re gonna be cutting between two scenes in this sequence’ - by showing both relatively early. It’s more natural than the second version, although there’s still the problem of the length of time between the introduction and conclusion of the Broom Boy section.

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#1349659
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The Last Jedi: A ST One-Film Edit (WIP)
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Lifeincontext said:

Here’s a new version of the ending. Based on some feedback, I tried to find an effective new arrangement of the Tatooine/Broom Boy clips. I found a moment I thought was interesting. Let me know what you guys think!

https://vimeo.com/418754884
PW: fanedit

This is great!

Really sorry to be THAT guy (!), but I’m still not entirely sure the initial Broom Boy scene placement fully works pacing-wise. It’s definitely a very cool idea: while Rey pauses, considering her place in the galaxy and Luke’s legacy, this is then mirrored by seeing Luke’s legacy in action, inspiring hope; we cut back to Rey taking the Skywalker name and effectively concluding her and Luke’s arc - great stuff! However, I feel like cutting away to Broom Boy stuff for 30 seconds effectively in the middle of a conversation (“who are you?” / “Rey Skywalker”), doesn’t quite work and feels a bit choppy. We’re expecting an answer from Rey, and instead we cut away to a totally different scene which we’ve never seen before (unlike in your previous version, where we are introduced to the Broom Boy scene in much more of a natural break).

Again, sorry for the lack of solutions!

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#1348346
Topic
The Last Jedi: A ST One-Film Edit (WIP)
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Watching the latest version of the end again, I really think it’s an excellent way to end the sequel(s) (and I feel myself tearing up a little with the Rey Skywalker/Broom Boy sequence, which is great because I felt nothing watching the former as part of tRoS). Another bit of feedback, which again apologies for not suggesting an actual solution to this, is that it feels a bit jarring leaving Broom Boy at 5:26 and having a full two minutes (and within that a short flashback) to spend with Rey, only returning to him at 7:30. It feels a little too long to be able to come back and simply continue on with the Broom Boy scene as smoothly as a viewer might like.

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#1348263
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The Last Jedi: A ST One-Film Edit (WIP)
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Lifeincontext said:

Ending V2

https://vimeo.com/419869547
PW: fanedit

See above post for a play-by-play.

Also, parts of it are still very rough. Apologies.

I’m watching this as someone who knows nothing about editing, but it feels a bit odd, right the end, for the Falcon to appear to go into hyperspace in the Tatooine shot with the twin suns, and then appear to do so again when broom boy is looking up. Have we jumped slightly back in time at the beginning of broom boy’s last scene? Or is the Falcon jumping twice for some reason? Like I say, I’m just a viewer not a creator, but it feels a little odd for me.

I really appreciate you doing this though! It’s a fantastic idea!

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#1308992
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<em>The Empire Strikes Back</em> has a similar problem to <em>The Force Awakens</em>, and it isn't really talked about that much.
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I actually do agree with TNT2 and, frankly, if they were gonna make any sequels, it’d be a hard sell not to have some kind of Empire, given the cultural recognisability of the Stormtrooper look etc. Hell, even the post-ROTJ EU books, which didn’t have to worry so much about huge financial turnaround, focussed on Empire stuff until the end of the 90s.

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#1308988
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<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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RogueLeader said:

This seems to be a different faction of Mandalorians than the ones we have seen before. Perhaps they still follow the ancient traditions of Mandalore whereas the majority of Mandos, like the ones from Clone Wars and Rebels, have become more progressive over the centuries. In a conversation with a friend I joking referred to the Mando’s tribe as “The Amish of Mandalorians”.

Comparing Mandalorians to Christians seems like a weird comparison, but I think it could help get the point across.

The New Mandalorians like Satine Kryze and her pacifist faction would be like modern secular Christianity, which fought against the traditions of Mandalore, which would be like your typical conservative Christian beliefs (gay marriage, pro-life vs pro-choice, etc.).
Death Watch would be like radical Christian extremists, fighting to preserve their traditions but going overboard with it. Their attempted coup in the Clone Wars could be compared to Gilead from The Handmaid’s Tale.
The Tribe from The Mandalorian might be a decent comparison to Old Order Amish, who still live and practice older Christian traditions in isolation and breaking those traditions could result in exile or ostracism, beliefs which might seem excessive to even the modern conservative Christian (Clan Wren and the other Clans we see in Rebels as an example, since they seem to remove their helmets without issue, but still follow their traditions more-so than Satine’s faction did).

At first I thought The Tribe’s fundamentalist beliefs might’ve been a reaction to the possible failed rebellion that Rebels was setting up, but in Chapter 4, Mando said he had not shown anyone his face since he was adopted by The Tribe, so their practices would predate the Empire. I could be totally off-base, but the idea of varying “denominations” of Mandalorians coexisting would be pretty interesting to me and make them seem more like a living, fluid culture rather than a two-dimensional “warrior race”.

I felt like it is being hinted that ‘the purge’ is something that happened to the Mandalorians during imperial rule that meant that they were pushed underground. The ultra-strict culture that our Mando is part of is just the result of the socio-cultural changes post-purge.