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#1504788
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Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull - The Spence Edit (Released)
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JF_Sanderson said:

I will say the new groundhog-free into is most welcome, but the movie can’t help but get worse from there. (I would eliminate the other groundhog appearances too.)

Thanks for checking it out, but it doesn’t sound like any version of this movie is ever going to satisfy you at all. There’s a very strong hatred coming from you here lol.

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#1497825
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Playing with ROTJ Deleted Scene
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I am by no means an expert on “restoration” but I had some fun with a deleted scene from ROTJ yesterday.

I started from a good place as I used 4throck’s work as my source.

Then I

  • Removed dirt and dust using the neat video plugin for Vegas. I removed I think 2 frames total, the rest was just cleaned.
  • Ran it through Topaz a few times to upscale it and make it sharper.
  • Played with the colors a bit, they’re fairly close to 4k83 but no 100%
  • Fixed the weird yellow lightsaber.

It definitely looks a bit better than it did, and could probably slot into 4K83 with a little more work on color correction from someone that actually knows what they’re doing. The Luke part turned out much better than the Vader part, as Topaz had trouble grabbing details on his helmet due to the darkness.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GOKO6nsqEayRfSRlWaTtXlITaT8ga513/view?usp=sharing

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#1497690
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Community Focus Thread 1: The Phantom Menace
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G&G-Fan said:

I think it’d be great to have an edit that just has the gungans speak in an alien language instead. Their speech is just so annoying and hard to understand. And besides when you have them have an alien language and then subtitle them you can make them say whatever you want.

Is there a language that the movie has been dubbed in that isn’t immediately identifiable? Because that could work. But if they obviously are speaking Russian or French it kind of falls apart.

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#1497176
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Spence's Obi-Wan Kenobi (V3 Released)
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potatoechip said:

If I had any further suggestions It would only be that the first 20 mins or so take a little longer than I’d prefer to really get into things and their are a few elements up front that might be extraneous. I’d like to see how the beginning flows with an even briefer introduction of Leia. I don’t care too much for the scene with her cousin for example and the scene with Bail that follows is nice but it’s hard to have one without the other.

First of all, thank you for the feedback! This story is set up as a two hander, with Kenobi and Leia as the leads. If you remove too much Leia, she starts to be underdeveloped, which not only hurts her as a co-protagonist, but makes Kenobi’s story and arc weaker as well. I tried to remove some more of her stuff, and it just felt like too much was missing.

potatoechip said:

I’m also not sold on opening with the arrival of the Inquisitors on Tatooine. With the rest of your edits their presence there doesn’t serve the story that well, I’d prefer opening with the re-introduction of Obi-wan working then looking after Luke followed by the possibly briefer introduction of Leia and her kidnapping as an opening which are all the main characters we really care about and are excited to see up front.

Well, if we don’t set up Reva and the Grand Inquisitor, and the whole concept of Inquisitors (which is necessary, not everyone that would watch this movie has seen Rebels, read the comics, or played Fallen Order) then we haven’t met all the characters we are supposed to care about. Personally, I think it’s best to set up the stakes (The Inquisitors are hunting Jedi, one of them is obsessed with Kenobi, and they’re unknowingly on the same planet as him) before we start introducing Kenobi, Luke, Leia, etc. so that the stakes are already in place.

Not arguing with you, like I said I appreciate the feedback! I just like to explain my point of view of why I did things the way I did. I definitely thought a lot about the opening of the film, it’s probably the piece that’s changed the most from version to version. From a story, pacing and character respective, it’s where I want it to be.

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#1497118
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Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull - The Spence Edit (Released)
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mrbenja0618 said:

Just now seeing this, Spence.

Every cut you make is pretty much what I would have done aside from the Nuked fridge. Personally, I would eliminate that entire sequence. And it actually has nothing do with the fridge scene as I found that very much Indiana Jones.

Otherwise, looks great. Interested in seeing your take. =)

Thanks! Yeah I’m in the minority of not hating the fridge scene. Everyone always complains about it, and I’m like “did you see the scene where they use a snake as a rope?”

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#1496743
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Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull - The Spence Edit (Released)
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Here’s a workprint of the first 20 minutes.

  • New color grade/white balance.
  • New Paramount transition.
  • Dialogue trimmed up during Indy’s intro and meeting Spalko.
  • Removed the clear shot of the alien body, we just see the hand.
  • Cleaned up Mac’s double agent moment.
  • Removed “You don’t know him!” bit.
  • Cut some silliness in Nuke Town.
  • Cut how many bounces the fridge makes, so it’s slightly more believable he comes out in one piece.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/14p473gk8GHFvbNSFzAgcskhGSxa-KhkY/view?usp=sharing

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#1496632
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Spence's Obi-Wan Kenobi (V3 Released)
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Atom-88 said:

Finally got round to watching this last night and wow absaloutley loved it. Your edit works far more better than the series, with the series in the end I found I was just watching to see where it goes and how will it end rather than being excited to watch it but your edit put the excitement back in it👍.
Thank you Spence for sharing yet another amazing edit with me.

Thanks! Glad you liked it.

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#1496380
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Spence's Obi-Wan Kenobi (V3 Released)
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MalaStrana#2 said:

Hal 9000 said:

Oh, the subtitles were very much not edited in parallel with the video and audio. It’s a huge pain in the ass, done after the edit is finished and sync-locked. It’s very “adjust by a quarter second, save, and see how it looks in VLC, repeat.”

Oh, I thought that was your new MO with the latest iterations of your edts, my bad! So you don’t use apps like subtitle workshop? This is what I used to sync your edits. Last time I tried to use it for some reason the video no longer displays, but properly set the app allows to have the video and the sync in real time, without needing to check in vlc.

https://subtitle-workshop.fr.uptodown.com/windows

Even with this tool, subtitles are very time consuming to create. A few years back I had lots of time to help with those but not anymore 😕 that’s being said Spence, if you have a log of all the cuts (meaning: “this part from Ep5 is moved at this point of Ep1, and this from Ep2 is cut, etc”) it can be a massive help to sync most of the part, then fine tune it.

Unfortunately my style is a bit more “loosy goosy” than that.

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#1496156
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Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull - The Spence Edit (Released)
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Hi Everyone!

Raiders of the Lost Ark is my favorite movie, and I love parts 2 and 3. Going to see Crystal Skull on opening night is probably the worst cinematic experience I’ve ever had. You could just feel the room deflate, all the energy disappear, the excitement turned to disappointment. I hated it.

However, time has been kinder than expected to the film. Maybe it’s comparing it to what passes for modern “adventure” filmmaking, but it’s sort of outdated style kind of works in its favor. There’s a lot of things that do work about it. Harrison Ford and the rest of the cast are game. Though it’s kind of a “left hand” movie from Spielberg, he’s still the greatest movie director of our lifetimes, so it’s still got some great visuals and action. The story could be intriguing.

My two main gripes with it:

  1. The modern CGI and cinematography isn’t very good, even for it’s time, and sticks out like a sore thumb. It’s just kind of ugly. It also doesn’t “feel” like Indy.
  2. There’s little sense of urgency in between the shooting and punching. Everything just sort of happens and crawls along until the next action scene.

There’s been some great fanedits of this, but a lot of them either remove more than I would like, or less than I would like. The focus is often on removing the things that, from a story perspective, “don’t work” as opposed to just making watching the film a fun time.

So I’ve decided to tackle the film myself. This will be a fairly light edit, I don’t intend on creating new effects or radically changing the story. I just want it to be a fun adventure with one of my favorite screen characters of all time

Changelist:

  • Change the color/white balance to look more like the old films.
  • New transition from the Paramount Logo to a newly created mountain shot. “Hound Dog!” plays from the beginning over it until we transition to the car.
  • Cut Mac’s lines about betting on getting out of this.
  • Cut “I meant drop dead comrade” and the punch that precedes it.
  • Cut the line about “wubbalyoos”.
  • Cut Spalko trying and failing to be psychic. This goes nowhere, and she never successfully does anything telepathic in the film so the whole concept is dropped.
  • Cut some of the searching around the warehouse.
  • We only see the hand of the alien for now, as an attempt at keeping some mystery.
  • Cleaned up the Mac is a Bad Guy reveal.
  • Made Indy start running quicker after shooting the guy in the foot.
  • Cut Mac’s “You don’t know him!” bit.
  • Removed a cutaway to Spalko and Mac getting in a truck.
  • Trimmed a lot of silliness in Nuketown, Indy is now significantly more concerned.
  • Cut a lot of the tumbling of the fridge, so it seems like he maybe could have survived.
  • Cut the bit where they’re scrubbing the radiation off of Indy.
  • Cut Mutt repeating “That’s my mother” so he only says it once.
  • Sped up the gap between “knife” and “gunfight”
  • Lots of trims to the crypt sequence to speed it up and get the story moving.
  • Cut the bit where Indy tries to purloin a knife.
  • Cut “saucer men from mars”
  • Cut Ox dancing at the campfire.
  • Trimmed Marion’s introduction so it’s more quippy and feels like banter from Raiders.
  • Cut the snake being used as a rope. Mac and Spalko show up after Indy says “why the hell didn’t you make him finish school?!”
  • Cut some of the back and forth in the back of the truck.
  • Cut Indy slicing into his pants.
  • Cut Marion grinning.
  • Seriously trimmed up the jungle chase sequence to move faster and have less obviously silly moments.
  • Some minor cuts to the ants scene for pacing and to remove unnecessary silly jokes (like Spalko crushing an ant with her knees)
  • Only one waterfall, which is a combination of the three original ones.
  • Some light trims to the end section of the movie for pacing and to remove unnecessary gags.

It’s running about 1hr 50min right now, which feels about right.

Like I said, a light edit. I’m not adding a prologue. I’m not removing the fridge (probably). It’s the same movie, just more entertaining.

I just started work on this today, but so far I’m seeing some good results.

Here’s some initial work on the two scenes I worked on today, the fridge scene and the jungle chase. Very far from final.

Fridge:
https://vimeo.com/732282320

Most of the scene is unchanged, except there’s less silly bumbling around from Indy.

Jungle Chase:
https://vimeo.com/732281847

This has a lot of changes, but it’s really fun to edit. The big things missing are part of the sword fight, and Mutt in the trees. I think it’s funnier to have him sort of disappear and you forget about him until he saves the day. It also makes the gag of all the monkey’s showing up actually funny as opposed to a silly moment.

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#1495865
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Spence's Obi-Wan Kenobi (V3 Released)
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rik said:

This edit is simply amazing. In my opinion is like “Kenobi - A Star Wars Story” should have been done. I like the Star Wars Classic Movie structure, the transitions tipicals of a Star Wars Movie and how emotions and pathos grows through the movie. All useless scenes or sequences are removed and the focus is only on Obi Wan-Vader and Obi Wan-Leia… that’s enough. These are the only important things. Unfortunately isn’t clear how the First inquisitor survived, but also in the TV series wasn’t clear; Reva’s destiny is perfect, because we don’t know if she survived or not and she can comes back in others future projects, and her end is better than what she does in TV series.
That’s it.
Good job, Spence.

Thank you for the feedback, glad you enjoyed it!

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#1495355
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Spence's Obi-Wan Kenobi (V3 Released)
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Octorox said:

polevoi said:
The first Kenobi vs. Vader showdown still bothers me but this is a problem inherent in the material and probably beyond the abilities of an edit to correct. Why doesn’t Vader use the force to pull Kenobi back through the flames or levitate him up and over the flames? Or the stormtroopers could just charge up the sides of the gravel hill and get to the droid (who wasn’t exactly moving fast), take it out, and recover Kenobi. I get that the intent is supposed to be that Vader is in some kind of PTSD moment with the wall of flames (at least I think that is supposed to be the intent–I’m not sure what else would make sense), but this is a digression that relates to the source material.

I interpreted this as Vader playing with his food. He doesn’t want to kill Kenobi just yet, he wants a challenge. I felt like he was making a choice in that moment to let Kenobi regroup with the confidence that he’ll have a more satisfying opportunity to face him later.

Yes, this. A lot of these things are apparent in the way the scenes are played by the actors, but it’s not necessarily in “the text”. Same with Kenobi not killing Vader at the end when he easily could.

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#1495319
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Spence's Obi-Wan Kenobi (V3 Released)
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polevoi said:

Watched V3 last night. Outstanding work overall. For the most part the scenes cut do not feel missed and cutting them improves the narrative overall, so great choices there. One I’m not sure of is the ‘answering the call’ choice. I feel like ‘digging up the sabers’ doesn’t quiet work as well as the ‘getting on the ship’ scene. I think its mostly due to a combination of the music and the look on Kenobi’s face as the ‘sabers’ scene ends feeling doubtful, vs. the music and his look in the scene with the ship feeling more resolute/determined. But it still totally works how you have it now.

Yeah, and I can understand that. Personally, I liked leaving him a little doubtful when he decides to go rescue Leia.

Also, I could tell that one of those scenes had to go, and I felt the Saber scene had more meaning overall than the scene where he gets on the ship.

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#1495279
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Spence's Obi-Wan Kenobi (V3 Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

It’s a cool ‘deleted scene’ now. I admire the crafting to get the whole series into a very believable runtime to the point that it feels like a real movie. Anytime I face cutting down to fit a runtime…

I LOVE cutting to a specific runtime. It makes me get more creative and ruthless. You can always fudge it a bit at the end. I kind of wanted this down to 2:20, which was V1. Then I moved the goalpost to 2:30 because it would be better a little longer.

I always have a runtime goal on anything I work on.

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#1495278
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Spence's Obi-Wan Kenobi (V3 Released)
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szopman said:

Yeah, actually it totally Looks like another Anthology film 😉 I’m totally gonna include this version in my every year SW movies maraton 😉

That was actually kind of part of my goal. If you’re going to do a canon rewatch and don’t want to spend 6 hours on a TV show, this edit replaces it without losing anything major.

If they do another season or more with Reva, I don’t know that the Luke scene would even be necessary in that context. And I could always use it as an opening to the next “film” if that ever happens.