Sorceror

CommandBen said:

Hey Adywan, Is there any chance of getting a "Beta/Early" Release copy of ESB Revisited before Star Wars Celebration Anaheim? 

 If you want to see a "work in progress" for an obsessive fan-edit, check out The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut. There have been 4 major releases of that, and on top of that a few demo/workprint/buggy versions. It's lots of fun trying to track down the ONE you want. And of course, Mark 5 is going to be amazing, with a new HD transfer ...

Slightly off-topic, but I'm wondering when Adywan is going to tackle the Star Wars Christmas Special. That's in dire need of restoration, and with Ep VII teasers running around, it's a really important element of the canon that a lot of people forget.

Happy Life Day!

The uncropped shots are more atmospheric and almost claustrophobic. Doesn't matter that you see the window frames.

The Golden Idol said:

Captain Antilles said:

Well, here's an idea: maybe they use the force to keep lightsabers on/switch them off? I mean, if it was how they were trained then maybe using the force to keep a switch or a pressure sensor on would be easy, almost second nature. This is sort of an imperfect idea, I know, as I'm not sure how great Luke's force abilities would have actually been in ANH/ESB, but if it were easy enough then he might have been able to catch on quickly? It would certainly account for lightsabers staying on/going off at a user's will even when not in said user's physical possession. Thoughts?

That would make sense, except in ESB, Han uses Luke's lightsaber to slice open the tauntaun, and as far as we know, Han has no Force abilities.

Nothing is stopping Han from pressing and holding the button manually for the 2 seconds required to expose some intestines to the camera.

doubleofive said:

Is getting publicity to have sources to keep the article worth the potential risks having the publicity and article would bring? I'm not sure.

This is the problem with Wikipedia: they judge notability by publicity. Phantom Edit got publicity most likely because it made the film watchable. Never mind that a large chunk of Star Wars's fanbase has noted the acheivments of Adywan et al; it's not news until it comes up in Google News.

gurgle1624 said:

  I for one love what Lucas has done, is he the greatest writer? No. Is he the most actor friendly director? No, but he did create something that we have all come to love and enjoy so let's take a step back and remember why we are here.

  Because we love Star Wars...

I'm here because I want Star Wars to be loveable. I never really got in to it that much, but Adywan has changed that for me.

  Just so you know (wink wink) saying your not gloating about seeing the rough cut comes off as gloating. Are we jealous...you bet cha' but please dont insult us peasants who are doing without that privilege by saying it's no big deal cause it is. ;-P

I for one am not jealous. I'd rather see Adywan's final production without seeing any workprints. I don't have anything like the knowledge or attention to detail required to point out errors to Ady.

One more note: To say that Lucas doesn't care is unfair, he has created and continues to allow others to create all sorts of Star Wars projects that he could turn around and ban people from doing anytime he wanted. Maybe it's not that he doesnt care, maybe it's that he has lived with this series for a better part of 34 years, that's a long time to try and keep a creative mind to.

Or maybe he just loves making money from the licensing deals.

  If anything I find his contributions to the series and all it's spin-offs a strong commitment to the Star Wars universe and should be acknowleged not insulted.

I still feel perfectly justified in insulting Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, and the 2004 DVD releases of the OT. Prequel Annekin at the end of ROTJ? Come on, that's going way too far.

 If I was Lucas and read all of the bashing and insulting comments here and other places that use my property I might be inclined to say."you know what? since I did such a crappy job (based on certain comments) maybe I should just deny these people to use my property without some bucks in my wallet." Lucas doesn't make a dime on the free creative properties of Star Wars that he allows us to use for our own purposes. We should be thanking him not dogging him.

If there's one thing Lucas understands it's how to maintain a fanbase. I think he'd endorse projects like Adywan's Revisited and other fanedits because they increase the profile of the Star Wars brand, and as a result increase the fanbase. And more fans almost always equals greater profits from merchandise.

Rogue Leader said:

Ripplin said:

Sorceror said:

After all, George Lucas missed a few little things ...

That sounds more like a challenge than anything else. ;)

Does sound like a challenge... lol I guess I'll engage then. ^^

Here's the thing... does Lucas care about this anymore? No...

Did he even care all too much back then?

Etc.

Lucas likes his money. He likes anything that increases the profile of the Star Wars saga, which is why he effectively rubber-stamps any old story for EU, and why Family Guy and Robot Chicken were allowed to do their Star Wars spoofs.

What I was referring to was little things like recolouring the whole of SW/ANH so that it's not blue-tinted, R2D2's blue getting knocked out by the Chromakey/CSO effects, Han shooting first being an important part of his character development and not something eligible for retconning ...

adywan said:

Well a later workprint has been given to  Rogue Leader & the 2nd unit and to 005 today but its still very rough. I don't want anyone pestering these people for any information about the workprint because they won't tell you anything as i trust them 100% i won't be sending out a finished beta version though to anyone. If i miss a few little things then so be it.

And why not? After all, George Lucas missed a few little things ...

Rogue Leader said:

Monroville said:

Rogue Leader said:

He's correct, most TIEs in this era don't have hyperdrive. More advanced model such as the TIE Avenger (which Vader's TIE Advanced fighter is the prototype for) and the TIE Defender which saw a limited run due to cost of production.

But they build another Death Star instead?  That crazy Emperor ... >:)

Through the Tarkin doctrine, a second Death Star's cost is justified, "rule by fear and terror..." Had the second DS become complete it would of spelled doom for countless systems in open rebellion against the Empire. TIE Defenders, as awesome a starfighter it is, would not instill the same fear and terror a Death Star would. Nor would any ship have an effect like the appearance of a Death Star in orbit would: immediate surrender of planetary systems or death.

Not forgetting that, being a TIE fighter, it can be defeated by a stone fired from a slingshot. Anything that makes them more expensive without making them bulletproof is a waste of money. At least the Death Star can defend itself; even against planets!

euroherbal said:

End of the Doctor Who thread (by now), back to topic ;-)

Except for one thing ...

Bingowings said:

WOTAN probably made reference to Doctor Who because it searched the newspaper articles regarding a BBC television show which started around the time of the assassination of Kennedy and the Shoreditch Dalek Invasion.

It just wanted copies of the video tapes which explains why so many of Hartnell's stories are missing.

Hartnell has 11 out of 29 stories (including the 1-episode Mission to the Unknown) incomplete or missing, totalling 48 missing episodes. Troughton has 14 of 21 stories (not counting the reconstructed, animated episodes of the Invasion) incomplete or missing, totalling 63 missing episodes. I think WOTAN's been busy with time travel in the BBC archives.

adywan said:

God i love controversy.

Please don't do a Purist version ;)

You can't see the lines until 3P0 is being dragged over the top of them so i have never been able to see why a lot of people think this is a mistake and something that needs fixing. Looking at that shot frame by frame it does indeed look like that 3P0 is making those scratch marks and they were not there before. So no fix needed here

I seem to recall watching that sequence going "that's clever, the way they shot it, it looks like 3PO is heavy enough to make those grooves". Don't edit out intelligent film direction.

corellian77 said:

Don't know if it's just me, but after seeing DE's version again, I think I prefer his camera movement just a wee bit to Ady's.  I'm not sure why, but DE's feels more "natural" -- perhaps it's because DE keeps the vane centred in the shot more than Ady?  I don't know.

Probably because Ady seems to have warped it to make it look more panoramic.

Ady, is the motion of the camera a done deal, or are you still playing around with it?  Either way, it's a definite improvement over the static zoom-in on the matte.  A thumbs up to both of you for this subtle but great improvement.

I like Ady's version better myself, and I think it would be a shame to throw away the effort that went into the matte reconstruction.

Ripplin said:

Sorceror said:

You've probably also got the issue that Ady would then be distributing the original published material; Lucasfilm/MPAA might not appreciate that.

I know what you're getting at, but do you think color correcting and adding/fixing stuff at home makes it not the original published material? He doesn't own them. They could shut him down any time they felt like it. (what would someone say? 'You'll be hearing from my lawyers, Lucasfilm!'? Heh.) We're just glad they haven't said/done anything in this regard.

There's a difference between distributing modified footage with the disclaimer "you must own the original" and distributing the original footage.

After watching the special features on Robot Chicken Star Wars I & II, as well as Blue Harvest and Something Something Something Dark Side, I think if Adywan contacted George Lucas, the response would be "let's sell it".

Burdokva said:

I know it's a strange request, but could we possibly get a split-screen version as a bonus disc, with the Revisited cut and the 2004 DVD, just as a comparison?

Given all the "minor" things like a complete recolouring of everything, I don't think this would be feasable. You've probably also got the issue that Ady would then be distributing the original published material; Lucasfilm/MPAA might not appreciate that.

At best, a short comparison of some effects should be considered.

Tobar said:

Not to keep us off topic but just in the defense of the EU. It's first purpose is to explain and and expand upon the things we see in the films.

And repeat essentially the same story in both pre-film and post-film history.

As for an explanation of how blasters work:

In particle-beam based blasters, like the E-11 used by stormtroopers, a small amount of high-energy gas moved from the heter valve to the chamber commonly called the XCiter. In the XCiter chamber, the gas was energized by the power pack, then passed into the actuating blaster module, which, when assisted by the components in the barrel, processed the now extremely high-energy gas into a compressed beam of intense energy particles, coupled with intense light, which generated the deadly high-energy particle beam fired from most blasters. In these blasters, the combination of superhot laser-light and a compressed bolt of intense energy particles formed the deadly bolt.

Blaster bolts usually dissipated in a small, but violent explosion of extreme heat and force upon contact with an unshielded surface, sometimes leaving blast points.

In other words, essntially a plasma gun.

Ripplin said:

The EU is so much revisionist history. "Oh, look, shell casings in the movie. Uh, uh...yeah, they were always in the Star Wars universe. Yeah." :p

From what I've read of the EU, it's not just revisionist history (I also consider the prequel trilogy to be entirely revisionist) but repetitive history.

Kurgan said:

we know they can't possibly be true "laser" weapons"

Holy crap, the lasers aren't real? This cannot be! They must be real :(

I haven't been this depressed since I found out that Santa only had 6 reindeer.

rpvee said:

I know this is a pretty damn daring suggestion that most likely won't get done and probably will meet a lot of criticism, BUT... I am currently watching ESB on Spike and I can't help but wish Adywan would cleverly edit out the infamous Luke and Leia kiss.  Unless he plans to remove the sibling twist in Jedi, it really does just ruin the whole scene because any fan knows just WHAT is going on there.

Can Adywan also remove all Darth Vader scenes and the reveal at the end that Vader is Annikin? It realy does ruin the whole trilogy because any fan knows just WHAT is going on there.

EyeShotFirst said:

It is deleted?

Looks like it:

This video has been removed due to terms of use violation

I reported it for spam; maybe it wasn't my report that got it removed. Either way, the job is done!

adywan said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogXCJooVoso&feature=related#

Everyone spam the shit out of their comments box and report this user

Spam the spammers. Good form!

As someone who believes that only the original trilogy in original form (i.e., Han Shoots First) are genuine Star Wars canon, I eagerly await the release of EP V Revisited.

Darth Editous said:

 

Is there any chance to release an upscale HD version from the existing DVD9 material? There are many great up scaling programs

Unless your TV is particularly bad at it, I'd leave it to do the scaling. Or buy a new TV ;)

DE

 

TV and/or optical media player; it's typically the player itself that does upscaling to HD resolutions.

Sumguy21 said:

Burning at the slowest speed will only result in errors, you should burn at the speed the drive is rated for.

Completely false. If the slowest speed produces errors on your discs, then your burner is faulty. Higher speeds are otherwise always more likely to produce difficult-to-read discs.

Also note that supported burning speeds are encoded onto blank writeable media too.

Doctor M said:

Verbatim is the best way to go.

I've found Verbatim writable optical media to be reliably crap. The dyes are too dark for most players.

Darth Hade said:

They would need to be unzipped in order to get the actual ISO, would they not? Or are you talking about opening the ISO with some other program?

WinRar associates itself with .ISO files because it's too damned stupid to realise that they can be burnt directly to discs, or mounted with DaemonTools etc.

So yeah, if you get the rar files from Crapidshare, you need to decompress them, but only once, and you should end up with an ISO, not VIDEO_TS.

BRUUUUCE said:

well, I don't have a dual disc burner

You have a DVD burner that is specifically not Dual-Layer? Wow. It must be an antique :P

BRUUUUCE said:

for the heck of it, i took the files and tried burning them to a regular disc on my mac at work. i "opened" the rar file and got the corrected TS files. then i dragged both the original TS file and the corrected on into toast to burn the dvd. i thought i would get the error message saying there wasn't enough room to burn on a regular disc, but it started burning.

i think it compressed the files ... that's what it said at least. but when it verified the disc, it said  there was an error. i  thought it was a dud. i took it home anyway .. .tried tried ... it worked ... and  to be honest... it looks fantastic! all the menus work. but there's a problem. i can't select the dolby 5.1 in the menu and when i play the movie there are split-second dropouts in the audio throughout.

Any thoughts?

It sounds like you got a different copy to what I found, which was an ISO of Revisited on Crapidshare. Are you trying the PAL or NTSC vesion?

And if the Apple burning app compressed the DVD9 into DVD5 size, then that would most likely explain why the verification failed, and may also explain the audio problems (if the compression isn't done well).

Chewtobacca said:

Falaskan said:

I do not have the bandwith or the programs to create a suitable DVD for my blu-ray player. Is there any other way I could get this on DVD? Maybe I could pay shipping for a copy?

What do you mean you need to make a DVD for your blu-ray player but you do not have the programs? 

The way I read that was "I don't want to spend my valuable and limited bandwidth downloading 7.7GB of DVD". I figured the "blu-ray player" reference was just to indicate that he wants a physical DVD of it.

Falaskan said:

I do not have the bandwith or the programs to create a suitable DVD for my blu-ray player. Is there any other way I could get this on DVD? Maybe I could pay shipping for a copy?

You could download it *really* slowly over a matter of months ...

Siliconmaster482 said:

Single layer DVDs (DVD-5) are 4.7Gb, dual-layers (DVD-9) are 8.5.

Edit: doubleofive ninja'd me

*cough* Should say "up to" here.

And it works out to about 4.4GiB and 8.0GiB respectively.