Slavicuss

Moiisty said:
Does Jaws 1 have a similar extended edition like this one?

Yes. There’s a television version from (November) 1979, that’s about six minutes longer than the original 1975 theatrical release. As this was screened for network television, it’s been edited for language & violence.

Almost all the extra footage has been released (in widescreen) on Laserdisc, DVD and Blu-ray disc.

*Near the beginning of the shark hunt, there’re two quick insert shots of Quint’s fishing tackle box. The two shots are exclusive to this television cut, and haven’t (to my knowledge) been released on home video.

I have been hoping for a long time now, that this television cut will get a home video release one day.

This set looks lacklustre. Very little effort put into this. Easy pass.

I doubt DISNEY will do much for the 50th anniversary.

Very good video. Looking forward to the changes to EMPIRE and JEDI videos.

OldMateMatt said:

Dat_SW_Guy said:

Necrobumping, but has the OP of this thread done anything more in regards of the restoration?

fuck it, holidays have been boring so i got to work getting software and starting to clean up the footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWXTjdmNWw4&feature=youtu.be

The contrast is a little strong (highlights on Luke’s sleeve), also having a pink cast.

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK:

The best direction of the three.

The actors are more comfortable and confident in their roles.

More ambitious and polished SFX.

The introduction of new and interesting characters.

Only suffers from being a middle chapter.

STAR WARS is dead - has been since 1983. Everything that’s come after is of no consequence, imo.

I’m only interested in the unaltered classic trilogy getting a proper restoration & official release.

If it’s not part of the 4K set, then I don’t need to buy this. I don’t want any more copies of the prequels and SEs. The previous DVDs & BDs are more than enough.

I’m not blowing good money on a substandard product.

I despise both changes - along with all the others inflicted on the original trilogy.

The new Emperor footage (EMPIRE) looks bad. The actor’s face has become fuller with age, and the make-up covering it makes it look even fatter. The new dialogue and its delivery are also sh*t.

Young Anakin looks like he has impure thoughts, concerning his beautiful daughter. Unintentionally creepy scene.

All these changes would be a lot easier to live with if the unaltered versions existed alongside these travesties.

Fang Zei said:

What I find kind of funny is that this Skywalker Saga set is going to contain an additional disc per movie and yet that additional disc will not contain the unaltered versions.

That’s one less excuse Disney has to include it in the future. If the bean counters go “oh, pressing an additional disc per film would cost too much,” we can point to this set and say “you pressed an additional disc per film before just so you could include extras a lot of fans would consider of lower importance than a restored unaltered version.”

Discs wasted carrying more lame crap to add to the previous set’s ANATOMY OF A DEWBACK and the STAR WARS spoofs?

I’m not expecting much from this set. I’m not a fan of the prequels, sequels, spin-offs and despise the SE trilogy. If the unaltered versions are not present, then there’s perhaps very little to nothing here for me.

All speculation of course, the 2004 & 2011 sets were disappointing (to me) and this may be more of the same.

Broom Kid said:

Slavicuss said:

Steal what? You mean like all the people that have downloaded the fan restorations/preservations? perhaps yourself included?

I’ve spent enough money on STAR WARS over the decades, I’m not wasting more money on constantly revised rubbish that barely resembles the classic original films.

I promised myself I would only be interested in this if the originals are included.
I would like to own the official product and not a fan edit. I don’t have a problem paying for it.

What you just described isn’t the same as what you’d initially said.

It is the same. I would buy the set if the originals were included (properly restored). If not, then I’ll pass. Should any bonus content from this set (I’m more interested in deleted material from the OT than isolated scores - especially the SE hack job) make it online, fine, I’ll add it to my 2011 BD collection.

Please, enough with this entitlement crap. It’s not entitlement to want the originals officially released.

Broom Kid said:

It obviously has some value otherwise you wouldn’t be implying that you’ll just steal it once it’s pirated online anyway.

Steal what? You mean like all the people that have downloaded the fan restorations/preservations? perhaps yourself included?

I’ve spent enough money on STAR WARS over the decades, I’m not wasting more money on constantly revised rubbish that barely resembles the classic original films.

I promised myself I would only be interested in this if the originals are included.
I would like to own the official product and not a fan edit. I don’t have a problem paying for it.

Original trilogy isolated scores are meaningless to me if they are the cut up and modified versions from the SEs.

If the unaltered versions are (again) absent from the 4K set, then I’ll pass.

Any ‘exclusive’ content to this set will be available on the ‘net in time. I can wait.

By purchasing the set, people only encourage DISNEY & LUCASFILM to further bury the originals.

Say “NO” to Maclunkey.

Ronster said:
Nah it is but it intercuts with Lambert listening on the Intercom and Parker in the Corridor.

There is one shot in the trailer that proves that a part was filmed which has Ripley running through the smoke.

The Box Alien as you call it is just moved to the ending sequence instead of the failed attempt. You can see the airlock behind the box Alien.

This happens quite a lot of old films from the 70’s including Star Wars, moving shots about into other locations like R2-D2 on the death Star shots spliced ib when he is flying through Space on the millennium falcon.

It is easy enough to sort the chess game out then Later C3P0 tangled in the wires aboard the tantive cuts to R2D2 on the death star again laughing… If ypu were going to do a special edition that is a worthy cause for changing something or making it work.

The Alien corridor outtake footage is not from the deleted Parker, Ripley & Lambert air lock scene repurposed.

A B/W workprint exists that composer, Jerry Goldsmith used to score the film. Originally, Ripley got a good look at the creature when she turned the corner, seeing it squatting, she ducks back behind the wall and has a SECOND PEEK. The Alien has already risen to its feet, sensing Ripley, it turns in her direction as she ducks back and edges away from the corridor, dropping Jones.

Watch the THE BEAST WITHIN: THE MAKING OF ALIEN documentary and you will find an outtake of the adult Alien hunkered in profile as the camera (Ripley’s POV) rounds the corner and sees it.

You can see the air lock behind the Alien in the corridor as it swings around in the final film. You are meant to see the air lock - just beyond it is the shuttle.

A strong clue, being the emergency lighting and smoke used in the shots of the Alien in the corridor - naturally, as these deleted shots occur during the 10 mins countdown.

Ronster said:

Sounds good on the surface but the edit of the alien in the corridor doung that squat move is part of the Ripley trying to blow the alien out the airlock the first time and was an unfinished sequence…

The footage of the Alien squatting in the corridor (Box Alien?) is an outtake from this (later) sequence: Ripley heads towards the shuttle (after setting the self-destruct), bumping into the creature, she drops the container carrying Jones and rushes back to engineering, to stop the 10 mins countdown.

It’s not from the earlier deleted scene where Parker, Ripley & Lambert almost succeed in trapping the Alien in the air lock - which ends with Ripley’s nosebleed.

Darth Lucas said:
Don’t take the movie they fell in love with away from them just because YOU aren’t wholly satisfied with it. It’s incredibly selfish.

Agreed. Lucas doesn’t seem to understand this - nor care if he does.

I say forget him and continue toiling away on the fan restorations. The fool will never listen.

Ronster said:

That is correct…

My Top 10 that need something done…Re-Edit and Restore

1.An American Werewolf in London*

2.Conan The Barbarian

3.Star Wars (A New Hope)

4.Enter the Dragon

5.Apocalypse Now! (Still pending the Apocalypse)

6.Total Recall uncensored*

7.Dune David Lynch Directors Cut

8.Gladiator Uncensored version

9.Alien Further Extended and Uncensored

10.Stargate Extended and uncensored with completed special effects

*Never had alternate version

I Can dream though… Let’s face it. I’m still not Happy with most of the re-cuts that these films already had and this is the main Reason why it is important to always keep the theatrical versions. you always have that to go back to.

Star Wars stands out as a totally different beast to these films though.

Highlander would be 11th but it’s no biggie over the rest of these.

Raiders of the Lost Ark would be 12th but again it’s done well but it’s a tease on some deleted scenes.

13th Would be Jaws for the Alex Kitner Death Censorship amongst music cues removed and stuff.

Essentially when a alternate cut and deleted scenes surface or you know about what is missing you can get a syndrome about it some what, and It can be hard to shake off… But only on films of huge magnitude with amazing artistic merit.

I think the deleted footage from AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON is lost to time. I would love to see an extended cut with the three hobos mauled by the werewolf, but it looks like an impossible dream, sadly.

ALIEN, is another I would be thrilled to see extended. It very nearly happened! An extended cut was prepared with EVERYTHING back in - including previously unseen material - this version, I believe, was put together by Charles de Lauzirika.
The film’s director, Ridley Scott, viewed it and thought it was too long. He then came up with a compromise - ALIEN: THE DIRECTOR’S CUT - which contained very little added material but many edits made to the film and augmented with CGI.
I hope the original edit by Charles de Lauzirika still exists and will be released as bonus material one day.

An extended edit for JAWS will never happen, I think, as the director is satisfied with the film as is.

Broom Kid said:

“All the anger and bitterness could have been easily avoided”

Definitely, but on the other hand, it’s not his fault people are being like that. People are in control of their own behaviors and reactions, and people don’t HAVE to be assholes about it. And their asshole behavior isn’t justified at all. I just don’t agree with “He brought it on himself” or “he deserves it.” Very few people deserve to be treated so poorly, and people shouldn’t really want to act that way - especially not to someone none of us even know or have ever met, and especially not over something as ultimately small-stakes as a movie.

You can want these things released in a pretty big way, without taking it that personally.

Lucas would have known that burying the originals would cause upset - even anger from long-time fans. Yes, people are ultimately responsible for their own behaviour as Lucas is.
He knew doing this would incite anger from a section of STAR WARS fandom.

If he’s so upset about the way he’s being treated by people (regarding the unaltered films) then release them in a state that is fit to be viewed in the 21st century. Instead, he’s hurt when people (rightfully) tear apart his prequels, selling everything off, washing his hands of the whole matter. Now DISNEY have gotten their hooks into his ‘baby’ and are showing it even less respect.

STAR WARS has been systematically trashed since 1997 and the end is nowhere in sight.

Broom Kid said:
But this weird sort of neverending anger and bitterness towards Lucas also sucks.

All the anger and bitterness could have been easily avoided if he released the originals alongside his preferred SEs. Sure he gave us STAR WARS - then takes it back - arrogantly assuming fans will accept his ‘improved’ versions without complaint - nor caring if they do complain. He brought it on himself.

Sadly, he’ll never wise up, and it seems DISNEY won’t release them either.

I’ll be saving myself $250.00 - or whatever the absurd amount is for next year’s 4K set - unless the unaltered versions are included - highly unlikely.

Broom Kid said:

“Own the originals last time” was 1995. The prequels wouldn’t come out for another 4 years.

He went back on that anyway 10 years later.

The 2006 disc release was bonus material and hardly an acceptable way in which to view the unaltered versions.

The 40th anniversary celebrations was the perfect opportunity to release them - or even just the first film. Yet he (and DISNEY) chose not to.

The new 4K set may prove to be as disappointing as the last two sets (2004 & 2011) for fans of the OUT.

Creox said:

Does anyone know WHY Lucas stubbornly clings to his decision? Is he embarrassed about the original release or is he just being that controlling of his creation? or is it something else?

I find his decision to date quite puzzling on the surface of it.

Spite. He’s pissed the fans didn’t take to his prequels the way they did the original films. So he denies them the originals they hold dear. That’s my take.

He also believes the original versions came up short (for whatever reasons) and wants to improve them, but that’s no excuse for trying to bury them. All versions can coexist as other box sets (CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND, ALIEN, BLADE RUNNER, etc) have demonstrated.

I’ve bought the films many times in the past - but not anymore.

Not until the original, unaltered versions (1977-83) are given a complete restoration and released.

Haarspalter said:

Why not take the final step and release the theatrical cuts?

That’s all they have up their sleeve (that and the outtakes from the OT), DISNEY STAR WARS is sh*t. If they do decide to finally release the unaltered versions, it’ll be on their streaming service - the a-holes.

I recently completed an extended edit of EARTHSHOCK. Using most of the bonus filmed material from part one and colour correcting it, the special sounds audio effects from the photo gallery slide show came in very handy.

The video conversion software I used wouldn’t allow me to rip the new CGI effects, so I used the original 1982 version to work from.

All four parts have been edited together, removing the cliffhangers. I also got rid of the (corny) silent end credits (Adric doesn’t deserve it) and replaced it with the part three end credits.

I gave it a new colour grading - getting rid of the piss-yellow cast and making the Cybermen a more metallic grey-silver.

Cameron Samurai said:

Ah, Space Pirates.

By Bob Holmes, the best of them all

You gotta start somewhere

Bob came full circle. You start with crap and end with crap (THE TRIAL OF A TIMELORD).

DuracellEnergizer said:

Disney revises and buries the original versions of their own films without reservation. It’s laughable to believe they would approach Star Wars any differently.

And this is why I’m boycotting Disney. It’s not merely because I hate the ST; it’s due to everything they do, their approach towards filmmaking and film preservation and copyright in general. All corporations are evil, but Disney’s a breed apart, and I won’t feed that godless abomination a single non-circulating Canadian penny.

Now the bastards own ALIEN. I’m terrified the original materials will be buried in their black archive for good.

Nice work. Pity it’s wasted on sh*t like THE SPACE PIRATES.

THE TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN would be more worthy of your talents.