Credits look great, Harmy. If I had to strain to criticize anything it would be maybe that there's just a bit too much glow and a little too much gate weave (did the Star Wars credits have that much?) -- but that's entirely a judgement call on your part, and whatever you decide to do is ultimately fine by me!
Thank you Harmy! Was glad to be able to contribute. Sent you a PM.
Harmy said:
Well, I found out that it may not be that hard after all - a lot of the shots done had the round corners but that was before I decided to tighten the cropping by one pixel on each side (this was done for technical reasons - to hide some artifacts), so when this new cropping is applied to those shots using a matte with rectangular corners, the rounded corners are all but gone - only in the upper left corner, there's a tiny trace of the rounded corner left, which shouldn't prove distracting when switching from/to a shot with the rounded corners removed completely.
So you were always going to add a 1-pixel wide black matte over the entire image to hide artifacts? That's fine by me, but were the people who were throwing a fit over the rounded corners aware of this? If so, that's hilarious because it will make those few dozen pixels lost in the corners look minuscule by comparison, as that 1-pixel wide matte will cover up literally thousands of pixels!
Wow! Some people REALLY don't like their corners round, I guess! :)
Tyrphanax said:
I acknowledge that the change is a very small one, but it is not inconsequential; it completely flies in the face of a preservation effort when you make a change other than one to preserve the film, especially if that change is intended to alter the viewer's perception of the film.
Actually, it is the very definition of inconsequential! -- it's not a significant loss of picture. At 1916 x 812 of active picture it amounts to about 19 pixels completely blacked out in the upper left corner, 6 in the lower left, 4 in the upper right, and 9 in the lower right. That's 38 pixels out of 1,555,792 or 0.002%. That's two thousandths of a percent!
Harmy, Laserschwert, you have PM's! :)
Laserschwert said:
SirJonah said:
Do you happen to know what font is used for the ILM department headings starting with PRODUCTION AND MECHANICAL EFFECTS UNIT? It's got me scratching my head!That's Futura... either Bold or something similar, like Heavy.
I'd happily take just your PSD with intact text layers once you're done. Don't bother with the logos (Dolby and MPAA) as I can use those from my SW credits (IF you guys want me to render the credits)
BTW, what's this about the Kershner credits? Those are just NewsGoth BT Bold like the rest...
Hmm... I tried Futura and it didn't look quite right -- but maybe that's because the GOUT credits are so low resolution and distorted. But, yeah, I'll just give you the PSD then.
Laserschwert said:
SirJonah said:
Harmy said:
SirJonah: Cool, thanks, can't wait to see what you come up with :-)
Would you be so kind as to tell me what the exact font is to use. I probably already have it, but I want to make sure I use the right one! Thanks!
The credits for SW used "News Goth BT Bold" and I'd say TESB does too... I think the Empire credits are squeezed a bit more vertically, but if you could provide me with your After Effects file once you're finished with the text, I can take care of all that.
Will do. Right now I'm halfway done and using "News Gothic MT" as I recreate everything in Photoshop. Do you happen to know what font is used for the ILM department headings starting with PRODUCTION AND MECHANICAL EFFECTS UNIT? It's got me scratching my head!
Darth Lucas said:
Regarding the credits. The font SirJonah used is fairly close, but I think in the end each letter will have to be adjusted individually to match an accurate source. Is the font in the credits of the GOUT accurate to the theatrical release? Or were they for some reason altered by the time they did the transfer?
You're right about having to adjust each and every letter individually to make everything fit perfectly -- but I will not be doing that! If someone wants to try that, it's up to them.
I have a perfect transcript now of the credits and I am in the process now of re-creating it, section by section, column by column. It's about a 95% fit to the GOUT credits (which are distorted, by the way -- I've tried to correct it as best I can). Optical kerning looks like a better fit for the letters than metric.
I will do a final rendered sequence and hand over all my files (PSDs, AEP) and if Harmy or anyone else wants to tinker with it, they can!
Ok, I'll continue working on it later tonight my time (PDT). Then I'll post it and others can check if I missed a typo.
Also, I just realized that with IRVIN KERSHNER's name, I used Franklin Gothic Medium and that News Gothic MT works better for the "R" and the "K", however the "S" looks closer in Franklin Gothic Medium.
I can post another comparison, if you'd like.
Harmy said:
Sorry, I don't see the picture.
EDIT: I did see it, when I right-clicked it and clicked on view image. I don't know - it's pretty good but the font seems a bit off to me.
It is, of course. But I'm happy to change out with a better font if you or anyone else knows of one. In the meantime, I have to fix a ton of OCR errors. If you'd like me to stop at this point let me know. Perhaps you can get actual film captures like with SW v2.5.
In the meantime, here's a screenshot comparison:
Ok
Harmy said:
The logos could probably be taken from the SE credits or the SW v2.5 credits, and the color should probably be determined using the SW v2.5 credits, rather than the GOUT.
Yes, I'm matching the color and glow and grain to the SW v2.5 credits. Do you have the ESB end credit starfield handy, by any chance? Or do you not care about that at this point (for my example)?
Actually, I think it may be News Gothic, like the "A long Time ago..." opening. Give me a few minutes and I'll do that first card.
Is it not ITC Franklin Gothic? I was just making sure in case anyone knew the exact font.
Harmy said:
SirJonah: Cool, thanks, can't wait to see what you come up with :-)
Would you be so kind as to tell me what the exact font is to use. I probably already have it, but I want to make sure I use the right one! Thanks!
I'll post the first card, "Directed by Irvin Kershner" and you can provide feedback.
Harmy said:
I'm still looking for someone to recreate the credits for me - in the WP I just used the v1.0 credits. Anyone?
I may be able to do that for you Harmy. I've stitched together the end credit frames in Photoshop and I'm OCRing the text now in Google Drive.
If successful, I would do the final credits in After Effects.
TV's Frink said:
Teeceezy said:
Thank god for Showtime. Watching on PS3 over SMB and it's amazing. Absolutely fantastic work by a great bunch of people, chiefly Harmy.
Could someone translate this for me?
Showtime is a media player for PS3s running custom firmware and SMB is a protocol for sharing files between computers... so he's talking about streaming the movie over his home network from a PC to his PS3 and watching it in Showtime.
lurker77 said:
The next best thing that can be done is something that the article touches on - oversampling. Simply, if you use a 12 megapixel digital camera to capture a 4K image, it will turn out almost as good as a 3-chip scanner. Today's DSLRs do 12 megapixels.
EDIT: My mistake. 12 megapixels is not the same thing as 12,000 pixels per line. That would be 48 megapixels, beyond what any off-the-shelf camera can do ATM.
Even 12 megapixels seems like overkill for this project. A typical 1.85:1 35mm release print (a 3rd generation copy of the camera negative) has roughly 1000 lines per picture height (examining the print directly)... so that works out to about 88 lines per mm.
Since the Anamorphic Projection Aperture dimensions are 20.96 x 17.53 mm, that works out to about 1844 x 1542... or about 3 megapixels.
Erik, sent you a PM. Would love to hear this.
Harmy said:
I'm hoping that what Jan said will work (I will of course test it first), so if you already had the mkv, you wouldn't be downloading the whole BD but only the menus and extras (and yes, there would be some). I'm not sure how exactly it would work with sound and subtitle files though - I have no idea how the BD structure works.
Subtitles need to be in PGS (Presentation Graphic Stream) format for blu-ray.
When we drag your mkv onto tsMuxeR, the video, audio, chapters and subtitle streams should show up. But you may need to provide the DTS-HD MA track as a separate download if you're only going to include PCM, AC3 or core DTS audio tracks with the mkv.
You could also provide an even smaller version of the BDMV folder structure for those of us who also already have any of the extras you're going to be authoring with. In other words, the STREAM folder would only need to have the menu m2ts video files.
Harmy said:
Jan said:
What you, Harmy, could do is to encode the video stream using settings for BD compliancy. You can also take this video stream and mux it straight into mkv. You'll only need to make two encodes then, one for BD and mkv and the second one for AVCHD (both 2pass ideally).
If you want to use lossless audio then you'll be somewhat limited when it comes to formats. Bluray only supports LPCM, DTS-HD and TrueHD.
That's exactly what I was thinking about doing. I'll do the MKV (around 15GB for the video stream and with BD compliant settings) and then when I'm done designing the menus and putting together all the sound and subtitle files I want to include and possibly some bonus features, I'll just use the same stream for the BD.
If you need someone to encode to DTS-HD for you, let me know.
Harmy said:
OK, here's a little something for you guys. It may not seem like much but believe me when I say it wasn't easy:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0UY94RJP
or
Is there any way you can get rid of the bump on the left side of the frame right as the clip hits 20 seconds? (The time in your comparison video, not the actual shot) The woman in orange talking to the man in the corner of the frame seems to shift up a few pixels during the dissolve, then back down again as the dissolve ends. It's off relative to the slight camera tilt.
Otherwise, it looks great!
Harmy said:
The pandown is a 2D animation of a premade matte and I didn't manipulate it's brightness in AE, so there shouldn't be any flicker.
I do see an artifact though. It begins at the bottom of the frame and moves up to the top during your pandown. Its ending position is where the blockade runner enters frame. It lasts through the entire shot:
Harmy said:
And just FYI, the DVD9 AVCHD and large MKV are still on, but I thought a BD25 with menus and stuff would be pretty awesome too but I wouldn't have any way to burn it - and it's just an idea, I need to find out how hard it is to author BDs first.
Try multiAVCHD first -- it's the freest, simplest one out there. You can actually choose to output to BDMV if you like. You can create an XMB-style menu (like the PS3 interface), a Slide menu (iTunes like) or a Carousel menu... all work with a background image of your choosing. Each video title is represented by a thumbnail, either from a frame of the movie itself or again, your own image.