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#112001
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To Folks in the European Union
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your living in a country that spends 700 billion dollars to blow up iraq, dint you thing your gov could take some of that money and put it into places where it would help the people. also canada has free health care, the only people that go to the states for care are people that need specialists.

i am not farmiliar with the stuff in the second part of your last post, since i dont live in america could you please enlighten me. what you mean that half of the price of stuff goes into those things you listed.
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#111983
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ho ho whats this an american complaining about other countries depressing his economy, you should read some case studies on the things america has done to some of the latin american countries in the form of cash crops and so on.

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The reason jobs are leaving the US is because the playing field is not level in terms of the labor market. So, instead of making things better in the cheaper paying countries, the answer always seems to be to lower the standard of living in the US.


exactly and who are responsibe for this, TNCs. your right the large majority of jobs are privete, the reason for this is TNCs moving there factories, the movement of factories lowers the employment rate, no employment, no income, lowers the standard of living. so its the TNCs that are doing it, AND its also the TNCs that are keeping the standards low in the lower paying countries.

did you know that corperations like nike will pay there workers enough money so at the end of a year the workers will make enough money to feed themselves but will make just under the amount to live. by live i mean eat, have a home. so families will stay alive but will remain in poverty.

anyway this is a far cry to what i was taking about before the idea of free trade. and the soft wood lumber things. known of the stuff on TNCs or the importing of jobs applies there cause canada isnt a poor country, we actually rank highier the the US in quality of living.
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#111947
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To Folks in the European Union
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Originally posted by: JediSage
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
here is the definition of free trade.



the first 4 definitions all explicitly say that it is either a suvere reduction or elimiation of tarrifs and artifical barriers. free trade is what Corperations like nike use to get there products into the country from there factories in poor LEDCs.

i will again restate it, the tariffs that the US put on canadian soft wood lumber was illegal under a Free trade system.

what you are discribeing is regular trade.


There are many definitions that can be gotten from a lot of different sources. Many people, myself included, will tell you that the "free trade" definitions and laws in use today are veiled socialist redistribution mechanisms. The US is bleeding wealth and jobs because of trade deficits and "free trade". It's a fact.

When has there ever been a society that didn't tax goods? While tarrifs may be a violation of the spirit of Laizze Faire, they've always been a tool to protect native suppliers. In the US, the power to impose tarrifs is provided for in our founding documents.

Do foreign countries have a "right" to dump cheap goods on the markets of others, putting pressure on their economy vis a vis unemployment and trade deficits without them being able to protect themselves? "Free trade" globalists will say that the standard of living will become more "equitable" in the countries being affected, eg: socialism.

And, let me restate: If Canada doesn't like the deal she's getting, she shouldn't accept the terms and should go elsewhere to import/export her goods.


when has the world ever been connected so closely that i can chat with a person in england in real time.the world is changing and the fact is that the globalization is happening there is nothing that can be done to stop it. IT is also making the world a better place, thing about it the consumers in amerca no long have to pay such high prices for there products. by imposing taxes he US may be saving some jobs but it is creating huge amounts of inflation. and tell me looking at this from a global POV as a citizen of earth doesnt it make more sense for the areas of the world that produce certain goods in large amounts to be able to sell there stuff on a global market so that the places that dont produce the product dont have to. it all comes down to integrating the world together. and as for jobs and such you shouldnt be complaining about free trade you shoul dbe complaining about transnation organisations they are the primary distructors of jobs in america.

here read the it does a much better job of explain it then a post i wrote in five mins

http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?control=1429
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#111944
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here are some more definitions

International business not restrained by government interference or regulation, such as duties. ( www. investorwords.com) taxing is a form of government interference.

heres the goal of NAFTA the agreement which both canada and hte us fall under.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), accord establishing a free-trade zone in North America; it was signed in 1992 by Canada, Mexico, and the United States and took effect on Jan. 1, 1994. NAFTA immediately lifted tariffs on the majority of goods produced by the signatory nations. It also calls for the gradual elimination, over a period of 15 years, of most remaining barriers to cross-border investment and to the movement of goods and services among the three countries. Major industries affected include agriculture, automobile and textile manufacture, telecommunications, financial services, energy, and trucking. NAFTA also provides for labor and environmental cooperation among member countries. The pact contains provisions for the inclusion of additional member nations. Labor representatives have criticized NAFTA, claiming the agreement has led to numerous jobs lost in the United States because industries have moved plants to Mexico (see maquiladoras); NAFTA proponents point to the U.S. jobs created because of increased imports by Mexico and Canada. The agreement has negatively affected the economies of several Caribbean countries whose exports to the United States now compete with duty-free Mexican exports.

key sentence, the gradual elimation of over a period of 15 years of most of the remainin barriers. key word elimination. since 1996 the US has increased the tarifs on soft wood lumber from 14 to 19 to over 30% that is in direct conflict with what the agreement states.

you know its funny cause canadian do so many favours for the US but when it comes to one of our key industries they leave us out to dry. you knoe california owes BC billions of dollars in electrical power, infact you would be shocked at the amount of power that is generated in canada then moved to america without canada increasing the prices. its not much but Canadian power bills are higher becauce of the amout of power we send over. like i said thou we have tons of it and dont mind sharing at all but it just goes to show.
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#111943
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your definition of free trade is not the one that is in effect. the one that is in effect stats that NO tarrifs shoul dbe in place when moving goods over the borders, if you want to argue about it the by all means good ahead, but these are the facts, the amercan gov threw an unfar level of taxes on canadian soft wood lumber. to the point where ist being taxed over 30% now that is unfair. Canada appealed to the WTO which ruled in canada's favour, NAFTA is also doing its own investigation and is likely to rule in favour of canada. If your definition was correct both of these international bodies would not be ruling in canada's favor.


and find me a source for your definition of free trade i am very curious to see one that states that a government can put what ever tax they want on product coming in to the country.