For this problem (and possibly even the whole film), I highy recommend using animeIVTC. It is hands down the best automated avisynth IVTC tool I've ever used. Try the settings (mode=1, aa=0, killcomb=0). The default killcomb setting is 1, but I'd steer clear of it as it ever so slightly softens fine image detail. The 1 setting is best for slightly noisy VHS sources that don't have any fine detail in the first place - it shouldn't be needed for a decent LD capture.
This sounds amazing. Any chance you'll create a PAL Hercules?
I'm glad you're going with the slightly curved borders. It should look fine on tv and will give the whole presentation a unique look while giving us the most picture possible. Good call on that and not overprocessing the image.
I wonder how long it will take before a fan editor incorporates scenes from the motion comic into the live action movie. Not too long I would think.
Looks like videoFred's script is poorly suited for this high-contrast 16mm print. HDTVs usually enhance the contrast in video anyway, so it's probably best to leave the contrast and brightness levels alone.
Doctor M said:
I was surprised that I did not find the aspect ratios to be an issue.
They way people were talking about it, I thought the movie would switch between 16x9 and 4x3 or something. I did not expect the difference to be black borders on the right/left.
Watched on a device with overscan, the difference is invisible.
I am very glad to hear it! It was difficult to ultimately come to the decision to present the tv scenes like that, but they do seem to play well on most traditional tv sets, and if played on larger widescreen units, the black bars never seem to distract. I took the time to reframe many of the SciFi shots - even performing a vertical pan & scan on the first shot of the SciFi-exclusive windmill sequence so that I could include the creepy deer antlers above the door. This was a detail you never saw on the letterboxed workprint footage and it really grew on me.
Btw, I am aware that Comcast has Army of Darkness in its free onDemand pool of movies. I don't know which cut it is, but if it's extended, it would be a digital source, if not HD.
Thanks for the info. If anyone can check it out, please let us know.
Puggo, I just wanted to say that I'm extremely excited about this project. I have a feeling that the audio/video presentation of the Puggo Grande will be the most personal-feeling of any Star Wars video release and will likely be the one I choose to watch anytime I'm in a Star Wars '77 mood.
I was wondering if you've looked into any resizing methods for converting the full-frame anamorphic print down to letterboxed anamorphic dvd video. There are plenty of high quality options out there, but I would personally recommend Spline36Resize in Avisynth as the best for downsizing. It retains detail beautifully and tends to produce an accurate, sharp image without using artificial sharpening.
Doctor M said:
So it looks like a v2 is going to happen then. I guess there's no point in burning a disc of the current version now.
I have one request for your future release: have better explanations for the different versions.
While the current Overdose, Doctor's Orders, etc. is cute, I find it hard to remember the differences when getting ready to watch it.
Back in February, I did say that if enough people disliked the multiple aspect ratio presentation, then I wouldn't mind going the overcropping route for version 2.0. However, there has been next to no real criticism of the film's presentation and so there's no real need for V2.0. Of course, that doesn't mean I haven't thought about working on V2.0. As you know from all of your fine work, nothing is ever really perfect for us fan editors and preservationists, especially when we aren't given an entire movie or its deleted footage on a silver platter. Naturally there's a small list of improvements I'd like to make to the Primitive Screwhead Edition, but they're so minor that only me and maybe three other people would notice them.
Now if the SciFi channel were to somehow get a HD transfer of the tv cut, then I would be all over it. I think it's possible given that the tv cut of Ace Ventura was recently given a new HD transfer. I mean, who saw that coming? Hopefully all the studios will see the benefit of creating new HD transfers of old tv cuts like this one in order to maximize their profits from advertisers - after all, a longer movie means more commercial breaks. So if this was to happen, then I would definitely create a V2.0 and I would probably add some flashier, more descriptive menus, and possibly create some special features. But until then, I'm content to just help out with other Army of Darkness projects and spend most of my time finishing school.
There do seem to be some similarities between the description of Paulisdead's The Dark Knight, and the DVD listed on eBay - such as the change in the film's colouring/lighting. However, from the description on fanedit.org, Paulisdead's edit opens at Wayne Enterprises, whereas the edit on eBay claims to have a "new opening" - which is Two-Face's escape from Arkham Asylum - along with other deleted scenes reinserted. I haven't seen Paulisdead's edit, so I can't comment for certain on whether or not it has any deleted scenes reinserted, but from it's description on fanedit.org, there doesn't seem to be any.
It's on Rapidshare.
Ziz - Looks like that's a different fan edit than the one available on eBay.
Mitch - I hope you get it. I've been looking forward to this one for a long time!
Sounds great. And whatever Adywan did to digitally recreate the missing frames for his deleted scenes supplement on Revisited - it would be amazing to see that process applied to the footage after you get it all cleaned up.
It's best to manually fix the damaged frames and to do a little bit of manual dirt cleanup first because once you've done that, you'll have a "pristine" reference video that you can then try all sorts of video filters on. So lets say that you apply a filter on your manually cleaned reference video and it smooths over too much image detail - well, not to worry, because you can just start over again and try different settings or other filters on the reference file. The major plus of this is that you won't have to keep going back and having to fix those badly damaged frames every time you want to try using different video filters/settings. This will save you time and allow you to do more experimentation, which will hopefully get the video image to look as good as it possibly could.
It's been done by NeatVideo, and then manual frame-by-frame removing the dirt.
I'll do another try :)
I highly recommend that you do as much manual dirt removal as possible before you start using automated video filters.
Given the Indiana Jones discussion going on in this thread, I thought you all would enjoy this anagrammed masterpiece...
It's from Something Awful's Photoshop Phriday Series - Anagrammed Movies 3. Source
Glad to see that another fan edit of this film is coming along the way. I wanted to make a recommendation to you about which source will give you the best results when it comes to processing the deleted Henry the Red scene. From the looks of the picture you put up, you are using the Anchor Bay disc as your source for the scene. What you need to know about that disc is that Anchor Bay did a bad inverse telecine on the video, and then further deteriorated the video when they enhanced it for 16:9. That's why there's a strange, interlaced appearance to it. Meanwhile, the Region 3 MGM DVD just uses a straight 4:3, interlaced transfer of the workprint footage provided to them. Although most of the workprint footage on the Region 3 disc has a strange interlace pattern(along with strange light blurs), the Henry the Red scene comes from a better source and has the normal 2:3 pulldown pattern - thus allowing you to inverse telecine the footage and get a higher quality result when compared to the Anchor Bay presentation.
Basically what I'm getting at, is that if you're going to go to all the work cleaning up the video like I did for the Primitive Screwhead Edition, then it makes sense for you to use the best source. Since pictures speak louder than words, I give you this comparison:
1st - the image you provided (presumably Region 1 Anchor Bay). 2nd - Region 3 Footage with Inverse Telecine and then resized to 16x9
Look at the wrinkles around his eyes, the hair by his ear, and basically just anywhere else in the picture to see the improvement.
I hope this information helps you and your project out. I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with. If you would like any high quality copies of my materials, then let me know.
First, I would like to apologize to those I never got around to sending discs to. My life, for the last few months - well it's been a long story. If those I promised discs to have not yet downloaded the torrent, please message me again with your address and I will quickly send you out copies. Again, sorry for the delay and being so damned irresponsible.
Anyways, it appears that my test disc has become the official Primitive Screwhead release. You guys! I might have known that something like this was going to happen after I disappeared. I have to admit that I really get a kick out of how it all worked out - and having it released by none other than the world-infamous Garrett Gilchrist; I have to sincerely say - it's an honor. The guy has done some amazing work, and his encouragement along the way has meant a lot to me. Anyways, yes, I do consider the version released to be a test disc, though I never expressed these feelings to Garrett. I felt confident with the disc I had come up with and doubted that any of the testers would come up with anything major. So for all intents and purposes, the test disc was essentially the final single-layer version, though I did not want to call it final in case anyone spotted some serious problems that I had missed.
So far, looks like the critiques are minimal. I'm not surprised that the multiple aspect ratio presentation is not popular with everyone. My decision to go with this format came about due to the fact that the tv version is not entirely open-matte - the first tv only sequence is open-matte for the most part, while the 2nd tv only sequence goes back and forth from a bit zoomed-in to open-matte. The way I presented it reduced the overcropping that would've occurred if I tried to fill the entire 16:9 frame, but I can see that it's a bit too distracting for some folks. On a side note, I originally tried marrying the zoomed-in shots from the tv version to the wider workprint footage. The outcome was very disgusting and much more distracting than my multiple aspect ratio solution. From the visual distortion to the dirt and screwy colour, the available workprint footage is one hell of a beast. The only shot that came out looking decent was the shot of Ash looking over his shoulder - and so it got left in as a curiosity. Anyways, if enough people dislike the multiple aspect ratio, I don't mind going the overcropping route for version 2.0.
As for the audio - it does sound a bit strange when it's coming through tv speakers, though it sounds fine to me when playing on my 5.1 surround setup. My audio editing and processing skills are a bit limited, especially when it comes to 5.1 mixes, so it's hard for me to know exactly where I went wrong in the mix. I would prefer to create a version that sounds fine on any equipment it's played on. Hopefully it wasn't too detrimental to anyone's viewing experience.
It seems like there's only a few reviews out there - If anyone else has viewed my cut, please respond here and let me know what you did or didn't like about it.
And now to clarify a few things -
1) I did not use an HD version for my cut. The majority of the footage comes from the MGM PAL Region 4 Australian release, which is visually superior to the Region 3 NTSC Director's Cut. Not only is there more detail in the R4 image, but there is also a little more picture on the left, right, and bottom sides of the video. Although PAL has more resolution than NTSC, the resulting Army of Darkness video produced when resizing the PAL footage to NTSC was still superior in detail when compared to the Region 3 video transfer, which was likely softened a tad by MGM in order to reduce compression-artifacting. Although this is unnoticeable on smaller displays, I figured it only made sense to include higher quality footage in my cut.
2) The single layer Primitive Screwhead Edition was not shrunken from a dual layer version. In order to keep the quality as high as possible, the single layer MPEG-2 video encode was made directly off of my 68gb Huffy Lossless Compressed video master. Despite the relatively low bitrate, the majority of the MPEG-2 Compression artifacts you see in the video actually come from the original sources and not my encode.
3) I do intend to create a Dual Layer version featuring a high bitrate video transfer. Although a higher bitrate won't necessarily improve the soft, lower quality tv and workprint footage, it will better present and preserve the higher detail from the PAL conversion I mentioned eariler.
Before I end this message, I just want to give a big thank you to everyone who has helped out with the project - Ocpmovie for the suggestions, encouragement, for releasing the disc for me, and also for making a copy for Henry the Red himself! Djsmokingjam, for the cover and disc art which are just fantastic. JHammondC and Molly, your comments had a big impact on the message that jump starts my cut . I probably have some more thanks to give, but I'm dead tired at the moment and can't recall everyone - so I just want to give a big thank you to everyone for their interest and the help they offered.
Also - Dark Jedi, I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with the movie. If I can help in any way, let me know.
I've been toying with the idea of calling this the "Primitive Screwhead Cut" or "Edition." So I'd like to see that on whatever artwork gets released with this.
I'm extremely close to having this thing finished. I hate giving estimates on when this will be done, but I feel confident enough now to say it will be done within the next few days.
The good news is that I did get a preliminary/test version up and running with branching for the alternate beginnings and endings - and it works very well on most dvd players. It seems to only have a real problem with dvd players that have slower drives. The project is very close to being finished - I just need to fix a few problems with the video and 5.1 audio and it should all be set. I've decided to drop any "extra" content due to it being a bit more extra work than I'm willing to do right now.
Anyways, I don't have an internet connection right now, so updates will be few and far in between. I'm hoping to have this truly, and finally finished by October. Wish me luck.
Ellen, adding wine to the fruit punch, and tells the waitress to smile and look cute.
I know that one's not on the DVD release. It's a pretty brief scene.
Sushicide - I am using some video from the standard definition side on the HD-DVD/DVD combo edition. I wish I had a way to use the high-def footage since the standard def side on the combo disc has a few problems - such as some artificial sharpening *gag* - but it will have to do since it's the best video available to me for things like the theatrical-only line - "Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun."
mcfly89 - Awesome work on the Waterworld composite edit. Earlier tonight I had some friends asking me if I knew anything about the extended television version of Waterworld and I started telling them about your project. Needless to say, we're all excited and can't wait to see it.
Before I disappear again - I just wanted to say that my entire AoD edit is basically done - including the color correction. Now I'm left with doing a lot of testing on the 5.1 audio mix to make sure it sounds alright. I'm mixing together so many different sources for the audio mix, so there's bound to be some problems. I'm definitely no pro at 5.1 audio, and it would be way easier to just do this in 2.0 stereo - but then I wouldn't be happy with it. Anyways, the audio testing will begin after my finals are over. Should be fun.