TheBoost said:
darth_ender said:
TheBoost said:
If the issue is "This Christian school has the right to discriminate" then that's a different question. But let's not do some mental hoop jumping to act like it's not discrimination.
If TheBoost is telling me that I have the right to join the Muslim Brotherhood and that there should be protests if anyone wishes to infringe on that right, then maybe I'm starting to see his point.
Regardless of the laws of the land, my church will never perform homosexual marriages. We have the right to discriminate, just like we can discriminate against marriage with animals (with definable personalities, at least). Such is the nature of freedom.
I think we're in agreement here Endy.
For example. I would never let my son be a Boy Scout, and I tell them to fuck off when I see their organization at the supermarket, but they have the right as a private organization to be prejudiced, discriminatory assholes.
(I also believe the government is justified in limiting the right to be discriminatory cunts in certain cases, like job hiring, housing, lunch counters, etc).
But the BSA admits "We don't like no queers, and don't want no queers around. Praise Jesus." They ADMIT they are discriminatory fucks.
(Although Ender, when finding common ground, it kinda hurts when in one breath you somehow see a parity between gay marriage and marrying animals. Just an FYI)
I agree with what ender wrote. The freedoms of religion, speech, and the press all allow us Canadians and Americans to discriminate. That's the beauty of a free country. You can discriminate in many ways. I wouldn't want it any other way. People discriminate against my beliefs when they try to force their values on me.
However, I think that anything that is not a choice should not be discriminated against. It should not be legal for people to discriminate against homosexuals just because they are homosexuals, and it should not be legal to discriminate against someone because they are black, or brown, or white.
But religion is a choice, and so is homosexual marriage. I think that discrimination should be allowed in those areas, with the exception of the government, which should protect people's right to discriminate while avoiding discrimination itself.
In my religion, the Sacrament of Communion is limited only to baptized Catholics who have not committed a mortal sin without going to confession. Is that discrimination? In a way it is, but I don't think anyone should be able to come in and force us to allow non-Catholic communicants.
In the same way, I don't think anyone should be able to come in and say that a Christian (not public) university shouldn't be allowed to prohibit attendance based on the moral beliefs of the Christian religion. Homosexuals are still allowed at the university--it would be discrimination if they weren't--but they are bound to the same rules as everyone else.
How is that not fair? Would you be opposed to the university prohibiting polygamous or incestual marriages and sexual activity among its students and staff?
I think the right to one's own religion, and the rights to free speech and the freedom of the press should outweigh any other rights, like the "right to marriage". I would like to see some valid reasons why that shouldn't be so.
And remember, if this was a public university, it would be a different scenario. But it isn't. You don't think that practicing homosexuals should be allowed into the seminary, do you? There are even more rigid rules about sex at one of those.
