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#516257
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2ndBSG a review and, analysis of season 3 - the finale + Caprica observations (Spoilers)
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TK-949 said:

The first two seasons of BSG were awesome. Great storys, action and pacing were good, and ending season 2 with a "One-year-later" was fascinating. Then came season 3. The "getting-off-new-caprica" storyline was okay, but then the season began to suck. Stuffed with filler episodes like "Hero" it got more and more boring. But suddenly the last 15 minutes of the last episode of season 3 made it worth to watch it all. 15 minutes that saved a whole season.

Perfectly said.  The first four episodes of season 3 were great, but for much of the season not much was happening, and then the end was killer--one of my favorite episodes.

Then came "Razor". A very good story, a mysterious new character, and an old hybrid prophesying all of season 4 (that's why you should watch "Razor" after season 3 and not in the middle of season 2), in a very cryptic way, of course. And "classic" cylons in action, yay.

Season 4 was awesome again. The series ended with a solution I never expected. Okay, maybe it was God who led Kara's hands but it could've been a coincidence, or whatever.

I wasn't a big fan of Razor, but that may be because I watched it in the middle of season two, which I now realize I shouldn't have done.

But I totally agree about season 4, it was awesome (minus the mutiny storyline which I could have done without).  But I don't really think God was leading Kara's hands too much.  After all, she couldn't explain what had happened to her, so I assumed she was completely in control of herself, and that she was just given a second chance to help her friends find what they were looking for.  I think all the decisions she made and all of her actions were totally of her own doing.  Anything else would go against what a lot of the show was about: decisions.  The choices you make one way or another. 

That's why I don't think liking the show (or the end of the show, at least) hinges on whether or not you could stomach the "god" aspect.  It was a really small part of the show - easily overlooked.  Moore didn't shove the idea down our throats, but presented it in a way that let the viewer make of it what they would.

To sum it up (I said it before and I'll say it again): in my eyes BSG is the BEST. SCIFI. SHOW. ON. TV. EVER.

THIS.

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#516097
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2ndBSG a review and, analysis of season 3 - the finale + Caprica observations (Spoilers)
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CP3S said:

Twist said:

Showing mundane stuff that doesn't move things along at all. Adama crying many times, looking at paint dry, painting a single color on a wall. Well yeah that's realistic but, it's not the type of show I was watching prior.

So very agreed. My feelings about the show toward the end entirely.

When I started the show I couldn't stop because it sucked me in and I was really enjoying it. Through some of season three and all of four I was often just watching because I felt an obligation to myself to see it through to the end. What engaged me so much in the first two seasons was long gone, and I now felt pretty much everything Twist just described.

I definitely agree that there were some slow parts.  The first two seasons were phenomenal, but the middle of season three was slow going.  However, I have to say the first half of season four is probably the best BSG had to offer other than the first 12 episodes of season two.  "Guess What's Coming to Dinner?" is awesome, it was all so fast-paced. 

I wasn't as big of a fan of the second half of season four and all the civil war type stuff, but a lot of that is to blame on the writers strike that was going on at the time.  They weren't sure if they were coming back after the mid-season break, and I feel like it really screwed up a lot of their long term storytelling goals.

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#516088
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2ndBSG a review and, analysis of season 3 - the finale + Caprica observations (Spoilers)
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I've never seen Caprica, so I skipped over those parts, but here's some thoughts on NuBSG...

I don't think the Galactica God has as much of an influence as you think, twist.  You compare it to Gandalf in Lord of the Rings, but there is a similar argument you could present for that.  Gandalf dies after fighting the balrog, and then is sent back to Middle Earth as Gandalf the White to "finish his task".  No other explanation other than "god did it". 

Galactica God interfered by sending angels to help the humans and cylons complete their cycle and begin a new life.  The only thinks we can say "god did it" about in the show is head six and Starbuck (the angels), while everything else is explainable.  The head six and head Gaius had motivation to help each other out because they were speaking to themselves in a way.  They knew the path they were headed for because they already experienced it and were sent back to guide themselves.   Sort of like they're from the future, only their from a place where time doesn't exist in the traditional, linear sense.  That's how I see it anyway, not too confusing once you wrap your head around it.

Also, I don't think anyone meant us to think the almighty Galactica God was simply playing a game with everyone's lives, or "waiting around" for something interesting to happen.  I think it's more of keeping a balance between divine intervention and free will.

Lost was a very similar show to BSG, and in the end the "god did it" explanation was used even more in Lost than BSG.

So, other than head six & baltar and Starbucks disappearance (and them most likely being angels), what don't you like about NuBSG, twist?  What else bothers you about the whole GOD thing?

 

Also, about the hybrid blood as a cure all thing, I have to say I never really thought about it much before now.  I kind of forgot about that part of the story as it was happening.  My guess would be they would have done more with it if it would have been interesting to do so.  But if in following a line of events one or two plot points gets dropped along the way, I have to say I don't really mind.  Like you said yourself, they thought about it, but it came out to technobabbley, so they dropped it. 

I watch science fiction to be entertained, not to break down the technical aspects.

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#515877
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Last movie seen
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Ziggy Stardust said:

The Runaways.

meh

They're in pre-production for a film version of the Brian K. Vaughn Runaways comics, presumably also titled "Runaways".  I've never seen the chick band one, but I can't wait for this.

Reminds me of Crossroads (the 1986 Ralph Macchio blues road film) and Crossroads (the 2002 Britney Spears teen dramedy) - one is so great and the other is miserable, and people always think I'm talking about the miserable one.  Frustrating.