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#242942
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Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242942/action/topic#242942
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Ouch. Is that Moth3r's on the bottom?


No, it's from the 1995 Coffret Triloge LDs that is undubbed (VO) and has french subs. I think Moth3r used the french dubbed (VF) version, but the video is more or less the same as the LDs came from the same Telecine and mastertape.

AFAIK there were four PAL laserdisc releases, two French, one German and one Spanish and several PAL VHS released in 1995 that all came from the same PAL mastertape.

And I am afraid the OUT 'PAL' DVD did not come from the PAL master.

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#239446
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Slideshow of ANH changes since 1977
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/239446/action/topic#239446
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan Does frame 32 indicate this is a blasted interlaced release?

I think what you see in this frame is DVNR (noise reduction) artefacts (smearing and object trails).

So far I've not seen any typical interlacing artefacts in any of the presented screenshots, but we need more captures or video clips to tell for sure if it really is progressive.


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#237449
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It has begun: StarWars.com to celebrate original films
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/237449/action/topic#237449
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http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/release/video/news20060821.html

Take a look back at what life was like in 1977 in preparation for the DVD release of the original theatrical edition of Star Wars! The original Star Wars will be available as a bonus disc packaged with the 2004 Special Edition of A New Hope when the Star Wars trilogy is released as individual movie DVDs on September 12.

hmm, DVD release of a bonus disc ???

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#236974
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Remember what Lucas said about the OOT not existing....?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/236974/action/topic#236974
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I really can't beleive Lucas/LFL destroyed or threw away any prints at all, I mean they even saved a lousy 1993 laserdisc mastertape that actually was supposed to been used "for the last time" in 1995 with the "Faces" VHS/LD release.

I'll bet they have lots and lots of OOT prints in the vault, although maybe not in a pristine condition but there's probably more than enough material to put together a very decent anamorphic OOT release, within a perfectly normal DVD budget.


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#234730
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/234730/action/topic#234730
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Originally posted by: lord3vil I know little about the old LD technology, and so I have to wonder why there appears to be no way of getting hold of the LD data other than doing analogue captures. It seems that getting hold of the raw digital image data, as stored on the disk itself, isn't possible for some reason. Why is this?

read all about it: LD Technology Is Not Digital

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#231237
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The "original crawl" on the new DVD is NOT the original crawl! Screenshot inside!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231237/action/topic#231237
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Originally posted by: The Starkiller
Something that may be of interest in all of this is that the same starfield was used for the crawl on all three films. Of course, this excludes the original pre-Episode IV starfield, which is clearly different.

I'm with the general consensus that the starfield was changed when 'Episode IV' was added. I believe that when they created the new crawl, they used the starfield they had just done for The Empire Strikes Back

Yes that seems very likely, although the starfield in the star-destroyer flyover scene was also changed for the EP IV, so this will also need to be 'recreated'? for the 2006 theatrical SW version.

Actually speaking of the flyover scene, the star-destroyer in the 1980 ANH seem to be positioned slightly lower (or closer to the planet below) than in the 1997 ANH and maybe in 1977 SW.
And in the 1997 ANH the lasershots are slightly misaligned with the spaceships or maybe it's the ships that is out of position, the laserglow is also almost missing or very faded. And damn that star-destroyer looks so clean comparing with the dirty pre SE footage, so how much of this scene was actually redone for the 1997 ANH SE and 1980 ANH??


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#231020
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231020/action/topic#231020
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi "The '95 PAL releases are better than the Faces set, but the DC is much sharper than both."

The DC and Faces are from the same transfer, but in addition to having many glitches and too much post-processing added, the DC is also an earlier transfer. Don't let the name fool you - the Faces set has the advantage of lessons learned from the DC set.

And both sets have the final battle in CAV.


The difference between CLV and CAV also depends somewhat on the LD-player, the video signal is usually processed by different 'analog' noise filters (or noise coring), the CLV signal passes through both high and low frequency filtering, CAV passes only through the low frequency part. And how well these filters are implemented in the player will of course affect the quality.


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#231007
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231007/action/topic#231007
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Originally posted by: Grinder
Originally posted by: Mielr
Isn't it also true that a LD set equivalent in quality to the NTSC "Definitive" or "Faces" sets, was never released in the PAL format?


The '95 PAL releases are better than the Faces set, but the DC is much sharper than both. The PAL discs have some advantages though, despite being less sharp. The starfields as a key example.


I believe the starfield in the 1993/95 NTSC transfer suffered much from a worn print and the low vertical resolution of letterboxed NTSC, and also from the crude DVNR filter that mistook many of the stars for noise and almost smeared them out completely.

On the '95 PAL transfer the starfields especially in the first scenes are much better, this is because (well obviously) PAL has more vertical resolution, but also (probably) because the colourist (telecine-operator) zoomed the first scenes 25% or so, and thus making the stars slightly bigger so they survived the DVNR filtering.


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#226637
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ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226637/action/topic#226637
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Originally posted by: THX That's the kind of question LFL should be able (and happy) to answer easily.

Or boris
Or maybe we could ask Fox in france.




Originally posted by: Zion
I'd say that the PAL and NTSC THX LDs are from the same transfer.

My theory is that the same print that was NTSC telecined in 1993 for the '93 and '95 NTSC THX releases, was PAL telecined in 1995 probably here in Europe and by that time the print was more damaged and had to be re-spliced a couple of places, which would explain the different dirt and scratches and the missing frames, and the '95 PAL 'THX' process didn't bother to remove the burn marks.

So I believe that it's the same print but different transfers. And that there should have been possibly a D1 PAL master and/or at least a couple of D2 PAL mastertapes done in 1995, but whether they still excist is another question.


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#226497
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ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226497/action/topic#226497
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Originally posted by: Darth Mallwalker empirical evidence

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6469/024718ff0.png
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3620/024719mq4.png

same master ??


hmm, the famous PAL burn marks they seem to be present in all the 1995 PAL 'THX' releases.

But if you look closely at those X0 (NTSC) frames you can actually see a small distortion at the exact same places as the burn marks in the PAL frames and maybe there's even a faint trace of the same(?) burns. It's even more easy to see if you step back and forth over the frames especially on the right wall if you step between frames 01:02:47:19-20.

Could this distortion be a temporal repair job? (well probably not by MBJ cause then there wouldn't be any trace at all ) but in 1993 maybe the DVNR filter 'accidently' fixed the frames for the NTSC releases. this is strange...

Although there still is many other things that differ between the PAL and NTSC prints and/or mastertapes. And the 1995 PAL releases really do appear to be from a real PAL telecine.

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#224288
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Explaining the shoddy OOT treatment in public
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/224288/action/topic#224288
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Originally posted by: Vigo Hmmm, where did I hear these would be D1 master tapes... Another source claimed it would be D2 master tapes.

http://www.smr-home-theatre.org/frames.html?http://www.smr-home-theatre.org/THX/LucasFilm-THX.html

NTSC laserdiscs, videocassettes and DVD’s all fall under the mantle of THX Digital Mastering, a program started in 1993 – the first release being The Star Wars Trilogy on laserdisc. In the PAL format, only videocassettes are included, and these on a very small scale. Once again, Thomas Holman headed the project along with LucasFilm video engineer Dave Schnuelle.

The most important part of THX mastering is the video test signal. This is inserted into the space between each video field (the vertical interval) after the film has been converted to D-1 digital video tape. LucasFilm engineers only have an advisory role in this first stage – it is important that the image looks as the director intended. The video test signal allows constant monitoring of the black level, white level, chroma level, chroma noise, phase, frequency response etc., of the video signal throughout subsequent stages of reproduction.

The audio signal, be it Dolby Stereo, Dolby Digital, DTS or even monaural, is constantly assessed with the assistance of engineers from Dolby Laboratories or DTS to ensure consistent and accurate frequency response, phase, azimuth, and level. It must be stressed the THX software does not use a different sound format.

The audio and video elements come together on D-2 digital tape which is then converted to analogue in the case of laserdisc and videocassette (but not DVD) images, this is then used to master the final software. The THX test signal remains even in the final software and is again evaluated by LucasFilm engineers (who have the power to reject the entire inventory) at this stage.



http://www.rebelscum.com/gallery/swdeflaser/image6.asp
...artifacts of the D2 (Digital videotape) intermediate format.


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#222505
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222505/action/topic#222505
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi Even if it was ours (I'm in no mood to download a 700MB(?) file which is probably bogus),


Well, the timecode OSD in the divx is higher and slightly shorter than the OSD in the screenshots from newsletter#2 so my guess is that it is faked.

Other than that the videoframe does look quite the same and the quality as far as I can see with this high compressed divx is rather similar.

So nice try Lucas, nice try...

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#214881
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Info Wanted: What is the preservation project closest to the original 1977 release?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/214881/action/topic#214881
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Oddly enough, there is ONE visual difference. As the stormtroopers
are distracted by the duel between Vader and Kenobi, Threepio turns
and says, "Come on, Artoo. We're going." CUT to Han who says, "Now's
our chance, go!" In the version with the mono mix, these two shots are
reversed!


http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/star-wars-lost-footage.html
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#206645
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206645/action/topic#206645
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Original Trilogy.com in the Press

"I have had a lot of fun doing what I'm doing, and someday might even like to do something like this for a living," adds Payton, who is serving in the military. "I'd say even if by some miracle Lucas decides to release the original `Original Trilogy' right in the middle of our project, I think I'd still finish it, just to see how well it stacks up to the real thing."


Please keep up the fun!