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That’s the 1982 Kostal version which we already have transferred. And yes it’s overpriced for what it is and how faded the print is, a more reasonable price would be $300-400.
Subscribestar is a better option than Patreon IMO. It supports different tiers, so you can have $1/month, $2/month, $5/month and $10/month for example, the only issue is I don’t think it makes the total contribution amount public - but that can be done manually in the website header where there’s currently the PayPal link. All you need is a text file on the server and update it every week, and then read that text file using PHP. I’m setting up my own profile on there should be ready soon, they also have a referral program (my referral link is here if anyone reading is thinking about signing up there).
So quick update, I’m currently setting up a SubscribeStar account. When that’s done I’ll be able to take monthly contributions from people who wish to help regularly. This will greatly help with what I’m able to budget for in the future. I’d like to hear from those who have given regular donations or who would like to, and get feedback on where to set the subscription amount. I’m currently thinking around $20 or $25 per month. Please send me a message if you’re a current donor who is interested in contributing monthly, or if you’re someone who would be interested in a monthly contribution towards scanning.
Thanks!
Jeez those are large cores!
The print is very expensive though.
It’s interesting when people imagine that I have new projects. 😉 If you want to contribute towards my existing projects, please do.
Makes sense in that more bureaucratic structure, I can see that. It’d be interesting to see the relationship between the painting stage, since that’s a separate position from animation (looking at the credits), and the printing stage. Both of those stages involve decisions regarding tonal values, and it’d be cool to see what the formula that led to the final exposure was. Did the painters make stuff brighter than what they would want so that it would print properly? Maybe contrast ratio was more important than specific lightness so that it could scale to whatever was needed when printing. It’d be interesting to hear interviews with those people.
BATB is entirely digital, no physically painted cells. Which would also make it a lot easier to tweak the appearance for the final film.
Would love to, though I don’t think I’ve ever seen Disney animation classics in any of the theaters around that do those type of screenings. I’ve seen some older Disney live action around, but not animation. I’m definitely keeping my eyes open.
Or find a collector with a print and get him to project it for you. 😉
Hey Leo welcome to the forum. I’ve just sent you an email, go and check that it’s not in SPAM. 😉
I’ll update the funding status soon, but the short story is that we’re still a long way from funding the scan of my print. I have had some donations I haven’t added to the public ledgers yet.
Sorry currently a few things going on and bit behind on messages, will get back to you shortly.
You can animate a silhouette, it’s just another abstraction of form. If you can animate a stick figure, a distorted long late-afternoon shadow, or amorphous shapes like the pink elephant sequence in Dumbo, you can animate a silhouette. There’s some stylized clean solid black silhouettes in the opening of Batman the animated series.
Okay let me try to restate it, with Disney animation most characters (including Beast) have one animator that does that character. When they animate Disney cells they are told to follow the contours and movements of live-action reference shots they’re given, not to invent the animation themselves. Many shots even got reused in several Disney animations for example the ballroom dance is a shot reused from Sleeping Beauty. There’s nothing in that process that allows an animator to ever animate a silhouette as a black shadow. Also the animators were not the ones in creative control, it’s a lot easier to get your animator to draw the figure first and then alter its appearance as necessary for the final film. So what the animator for Beast intended and what the director intended for those early Beast scenes could be different.
Just commenting that I’m surprised that the original intended version (that I agree should be distributed as is) looks strange to me. It’s a weird fall-off, a separate aspect from how dark the film is. Something can be dark and not have a such a steep notch in a very specific area of the contrast curve. I don’t doubt that it’s intentional.
If you like the film I suggest arranging to see it on film some time if you can.
So was the decision to show him totally in silhouette made after the sequence had been colored? I don’t know a whole lot about the animation process, but I’ve seen cels of silhouettes that are painted totally dark before they were printed to film. Seems like kind of an odd decision to achieve a silhouette by fully rendering the figure on every level, including all the different colors between his cloak and fur, and then just print it darker so you can’t see any of that labor. That seems like an extremely wasteful and backwards way to achieve such an effect.
Well it seems logical to me - you can’t animate a silhouette. You animate the character and then turn him into silhouette. Also, I’ve actually seen this movie projected in a cinema, and that’s exactly how I remember it.
And it’s 100% intentional. Don’t forget they showed the work in progress version in New York in 1991, 2 months ahead of the full release.
To my taste, I’d probably want a grade that’s a compromise. I feel like the home releases are too bright and this print is too dark (for me, not as a preservation). The line-work in Belle’s hair, at times, is crushed to black.
Her hair often appears black on film, that’s just how it is.
That’s a very expensive print…
Link updated. Merry X-Mas!
Thanks Jay!
It’s good to know we’ll be in safe hands with SilverWook and Anchorhead.
Quick answer to a question I was sent: no I’m not taking any further donations on this project. BUT I am taking donations towards Cinderella, Pinocchio, and Alien!
Also, here is the BatB trailer. I’ll do a proper encode later, but at least it’s a start - and very big thanks go to the collector that loaned it to me for scanning:
It can be shared to anyone that wants it. As far as I know the first time this trailer is available anywhere in HD.
If you’re serious about it and want to buy the print I can get you a quote on scanning.
It’s a private project I think.
Oh yes you would not be disappointed with condition that’s for sure.
Could I get a link to the fanres forum? I’m having an issue finding it. Thanks! Great work!
There’s no 35mm thread on Fanres, we’re not allowed to have 35mm project threads there. He just means members of that forum.
We have access to two prints of Mary Poppins through our US scanner, both of which should be in excellent condition. But I would suggest checking the Bluray first before committing stupid money to scanning it as I hear the bluray is very good.
As I said, I think you need a better way to deal with criticism. We all get criticism, me, poita, everyone. But you’re manufacturing your own misadventure with the way you are currently dealing with yours. I’m trying to help, I’m not insulting you at all am I? Just please think about working on a better strategy that’s all I’m asking. Respect goes both ways - you get as much as you give.
I don’t need your help, I’m just… FRUSTRATED by the pressures being pressed on me both inside and outside the fan restoration community at the same freaking time. If I’m being a passhole aggresshole, as a certain misandrist cult in the Pretty Cure fandom likes to put it, it’s precisely because I let those pressures get to me and flipped out as a result.
All you’re doing is directly insulting and disrespecting my friends, including some who defended you for months. They were happy to accommodate you there, the only thing the admins wanted is that you don’t spam the forum with dozens of vapourware threads. Surely that’s not unreasonable on their part. Compromising is part of the normal human experience, but most people don’t get all irate about a compromise they’re unhappy with. Your comparison to Mozart is interesting, but he never announced a bunch of symphonies that would take him 2,500 months to complete. Do you think people would have taken him seriously if he did?
If you want to insult my friends and behave in an indignant way, that’s fine by me. They’re big boys I doubt any of them care. But you are not doing yourself any favours with your self-indulgent malarkey. What you should be doing, in my humble opinion, is working on a way to better handle criticism. Because at the moment it’s a total disaster whenever you encounter it. Your current strategy of escalation and aggression is just not working well for you. This is a discussion forum - if you want to discuss your ideas with people to flesh them out that’s great.
And frankly, those announcement threads you mention are simply a repository for my ideas, I don’t know if or when I’ll be doing all of them, but I know one thing for certain: that you can expect me to have AFOD ready by its 55th anniversary this September.
They’re your threads. You put your “ideas” under the headings “Planned projects”. If they’re not really planned projects but just ideas, then why not put them under the heading “Project ideas”? And above that you have the headings “Projects in progress” and above that the headings “Released projects”. How is anyone supposed to work out that your “planned projects” are just “ideas” when you’ve gone out of your way to make it look like they are all going to move up the ladder to completion?
You have so far announced 278 “Planned projects” here on OT. If this first project - AFOD - will take you 9 months, which is by no means an unrealistic timetable, then I’d say there’s pretty little chance for most of your other 277 projects to ever get done. If they ever do most of us will be long dead. Which sounds a bit selfish, so I should say I’d be happy for our descendants in 8 or 9 generations time to enjoy them, it’s just I don’t know why they all need to be announced now so far in advance of eventual completion.
Mate please don’t be passive-aggressive. Fanres is an official sister-forum to OT. Sure do things on your own timeline - as I myself do - but by announcing 180+ “planned projects” all at once you are surely provoking people’s patience aren’t you? If you want to do things in your own time I’d suggest don’t announce almost 200 projects you plan to complete. I don’t know anyone that completed that many projects. I’d suggest you jettison the announcement threads of all your planned projects and just take it one at a time.
No one is trying to prove you right or wrong, you’re your own man.
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That’s true. Also, if you haven’t seen this film on 35mm or 70mm you may not be able to tell that the Bluray is a different presentation entirely.