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#1311410
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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oojason said:

I thought the leaks were based on trailers, tv spots, other promo content and some material from the books & comics leaking early? (with some obvious gaps filled in along the way)

Was this not the case? And somebody actually had more info to leak other than what appeared in the above promo and book content?

Ah you can see from (most of) those photos there’s not proper cinematic masking, which gives away it certainly isn’t from the premiere screening. There have been deep leaks for ages, all of the screenshots confirm them. Heck even TFA’s plot leaked in full months in advance. The entire ROS plot leaked on Reddit, plain and bare, for all to see, around three or four months ago.

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#1311400
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Thanks goes to whoever edited my above post I didn’t know how to post a spoiler. Here are the photos/screenshots so far:

7. No pictures, gifs, memes or other similar links to pirated material - including cams, mobile phone recordings, screeners, leaks, pre-retail releases, or ‘for your consideration’ award leaks etc.

Nothing in those photos makes me, personally, want to see the film. I’m personally thankful to have seen & read the leaks because at least I know this film isn’t for me instead of buying a ticket and being disappointed.

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#1311394
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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So this is what I imagined being said here:

(SPOILERS FOR A SCENE FROM TROS)

7. No pictures, gifs, memes or other similar links to pirated material - including cams, mobile phone recordings, screeners, leaks, pre-retail releases, or ‘for your consideration’ award leaks etc.

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#1311390
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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And we have a whole bunch of social media reactions from those at the world premiere. This is definitely not a film for me. I’m not a fan of JJ’s directorial style (I don’t like shaky-cam in general), much less the idea that this is a film full of “nostalgia and fan service”. No thanks.

Terri Schwartz

I’ve seen #StarWarsTheRiseofSkywalker. It’s… a lot. There’s a lot I like and some I loved but overall my feelings are pretty mixed. It felt like an apology for The Last Jedi in some ways and a sequel to The Force Awakens in many, which I found frustrating.

To add to that, I found the first two movies felt like they ignored the prequel trilogy too much. The PT may not be universally loved, but they have lots of great moments. The duel of the fates, Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman. As a friend of mine once said after we had just watched the midnight premiere screening of Attack of the Clones “I would have gone to the dark side for her as well!”

Anyway, it sounds like ROS is not a film for me unfortunately, but I do hope there are others that enjoy it nonetheless.

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#1303867
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The Terminator - Color Regrade [No Longer Available]
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Dek Rollins said:

By the way, when you mentioned the credits being original, what did they actually look like? was there no Donna Smith credit at all, or did it scroll up at the beginning of the credits during the fade-out like in the German DVD print?

Yes the credits started scrolling up over the picture like that before it faded out completely. I meant there was no static credit, it was probably the first credit scrolling up as seen in your screenshot.

The only thing that looks noticeably off in the BD is the text at the start of the film (the future war text and the credits) - that’s all much softer on 35mm.

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#1303773
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The Terminator - Color Regrade [No Longer Available]
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Dek Rollins said:

The colors are definitely washed out, but the general color biases are what I’m referring to. I think that skin tones are too frequently pinkish, and some scenes seem very dark, but most of the scenes I’ve compared look somewhat similar to the Blu-ray, and match your description of the print you saw pretty well.

The skin tones, like most 35mm on the era, are frequently yellowish in the daylight scenes.

I posted in the fanres thread that I think it seems to be the most accurate (I meant generally, though I didn’t really specify what I thought was accurate about it in that post), and that it matches the dozens of 35mm frames posted online rather closely, so I would think that the biases introduced by the telecine were subtle. With the washed out contrast it wouldn’t be projection accurate of course, but a subtle regrade of the BD on a shot by shot basis to try and match the color consistency of the DVD seems like a worthy effort to me.

The bias introduced by the telecine is anything but “subtle”. I’m very sorry to disagree.

I think I’m going to try doing that with my updated regrade, and maybe those of us who are not quite satisfied with the BD will be happy with an alternative that isn’t far off from it. I’m curious, for everyone who has my regrade and enjoys it over the BD, would you guys be interested in something that stays closer to the BD and just makes subtle shot to shot changes?

I think this film is well worth doing a scan from a print, you’ll see the colours on the BD are faithful but there’s some subtle differences here and there. I mean no disrespect, but re-grading is a fool’s errand unless you’ve seen it projected yourself.

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#1303218
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The Terminator - Color Regrade [No Longer Available]
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Anyway, would you say the projection was accurate to the old German DVD, the one that was transferred from a print?

No. The colours in that version are washed out, and it was not transferred digitally it was very obviously done by telecine which never produces a projection-accurate result regardless of whether you’re using a release print, a TV print, or whatever. I do not think it was even transferred for DVD - it looks like they used a broadcast tape literally transferred in the 1980’s for that release. It’s a full-screen transfer, outside of the US no one did full-screen transfers for DVD, even in 1997. And when they did the first digital restoration, and broadcast it, it was in widescreen.

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#1303131
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The Terminator - Color Regrade [No Longer Available]
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Just to clarify, the print you saw was an original one and not a 2001 re-issue?

Yes completely original, I can confirm it did not have the Donna Smith or Harlan Ellison credits.

The big issue I have with what you say about the Blu-ray’s accuracy is that there is evidence that the Blu-ray’s color biases in some scenes are not always consistent with the original prints.

None of those scans look anything like projection. Just taking the second one as an example - Reece was nowhere near that dark, he was clearly visible in that scene.

Anyway, I’m glad you weighed in here. By the way, what did you think of my old regrade?

It was better, but I can’t say it’s an improvement on the bluray. The bluray looked spot-on. I don’t think it is completely spot-on mind you, but it’s very faithful.

That was the latest update I had made when kaosjm posted about the print he saw and said that I was spot on for most of the film. He did note that the beginning and future war stuff was sometimes very cyan and teal, which I acknowledged, but I never ended up implementing any changes like that because until now I was set on doing a single global adjustment for the majority of the movie. That’s why the shots in those comparisons have inaccuracies, too.

There is less colour in those scenes which is why they look more blue, besides that they have the same teal/cyan/green hue as the rest of the film’s night scenes.

I find it hard to believe that the print you saw had a yellow/green push in the highlights like the Blu-ray does, but I haven’t had the opportunity to see a print in person, so I can’t say anything from experience.

I’m sorry to hear that I hope you do get to see it sometime! Last year I saw T2 on 35mm. 😃 The really funny thing was when I was leaving the cinema, literally in the company of just two strangers, they were talking amongst themselves about how it was interesting they saw a print rather than a digital projection.

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#1303109
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The Terminator - Color Regrade [No Longer Available]
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I’ve just seen this on 35mm, and I can tell you the 2013 MGM Bluray looks faithful and much, much closer than your regrade. Visuals of course are only one thing, the original mono mix is obviously nothing like the bluray - but the sound on the print is absolutely thumping.

I’ll post some examples (regrade on top, 2013 MGM Bluray on bottom):

This is how it actually looks on a 35mm print:

The re-grade is too dark and has turned the background navy blue where the backgrounds are often cyan or green.

One of the scenes in the film where the background is very obviously green and not blue or cyan is when Sarah is driving through the tunnel, I just checked the bluray and sure enough it looks correct:

That’s exactly how it looks on release prints, and the road looks green as well as it does on the bluray.

Griffith Observatory:

The colour cast has been removed in the regrade, but this looks moreorless accurate:

Furthermore I don’t remember seeing a single night scene where the background looked so neutrally grey.

Rear-screen projection future war:

These scenes looked really amazing, and felt very intense.

The bluray looks fairly accurate. While it’s impossible for me to say for certain for every scene, what I can say is that most scenes like this had at least some cyan in them and did not look as blue as the regrade. It was also quite easy to tell this is a back-screen effect on film from the way the background is out of focus - nevertheless it still looked great.

Terminator enters police station:

Once again the regrade looks, to my eye, off. The only thing wrong about the bluray is that I’m pretty sure in that shot you could not see through the sunglass lens on the print (but you can in other shots). This is because prints don’t have much detail in the blacks.

Terminator in front of sugar glass:

The regrade is wrong. The bluray looks faithful. There are no scenes in the present (1984) that look as blue as the regrade, the only one that may have looked more blue are future war scenes, although I hasten to add many if not most of them had cyans or greens in them. The colour timing on the print was pretty consistent.

This is all largely in-line with what kaosjm reported in 2017. The future war scenes, some of them were “more blue” than the present, but virtually all of them had teal, cyan, or green in them. The scenes that were the most blue were the rear-projection scenes, but even they were not as blue as the regrade.

Visually speaking the bluray is remarkably faithful. Sound is another matter since it doesn’t have the original mono mix.

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#1302492
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Terminator 2 Judgment Day (1991). Regraded + Partially DeRemastered + Regrained (Released)
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No, Titanic was shot on Super 35 as well, but is considerably more detailed. Also you can’t pull out detail that isn’t in the negative, and as the remastered bluray is more detailed it shows there is full 2K resolution (or close to it) in the negative even when cropped. That’s what you expect with Super 35 really as you’re not using the full are of the film for picture, films shot that way tend to use the highest resolution (finest grain) negative film stocks available. The film was shown on 70mm as well, so they must have been able to pull out more detail for the 70mm prints. So the low resolution isn’t due to the negative itself, it’s due to the choice of film stocks used for the prints as well as the intermediary process.

If you ever get to see the film on 35mm, and there will be places showing prints, you’ll see that compared with other 35mm films it’s on the lower side of detail and resolution. You’d think because it was a highly anticipated blockbuster that it’d be on the higher side, but that just isn’t so.

Anyway no digital distributor would ever release it looking the way it did on 35mm, it doesn’t look “bad” by 35mm standards, but it’s certainly soft and low resolution, probably about 1K detail. True Lies is probably similar to the detail in T2, but I haven’t seen that projected in a cinema.

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#1302393
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Terminator 2 Judgment Day (1991). Regraded + Partially DeRemastered + Regrained (Released)
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T2 on 35mm looks nowhere near as detailed as the bluray. I’d say the resolution in the print is a lot closer to 1K than it is to 2K.

Also all the CGI special effects scenes are more contrasty to the rest of the film. The effects hold up and look good, but the difference is obvious on film as they don’t have the density of celluloid. Your T1 example is similar to the difference when there’s a CGI shot - the contrast suddenly goes way up, very noticeable.

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#1293859
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Walt Disney Classics - 4K (donations sought) (several WIPs)
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phoenixobia said:

I’m sorry my bad. The original negative was 1.66 but now the top and bottom has been cropped to fit 16:9.
I have the BATB Laserdisc and it is letterboxed which shows the complete picture.

If you take a look at the link below or google BATB laserdisc bluray comparison, You’ll see what I mean.

http://stayornay.com/toons/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/BatB-WIP-Compare-11.jpg

Some prints might be open matte, but it’s definitely a flat 1.85:1 film.

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#1291546
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Spider-Man World-Trade-Center 35mm Teaser Trailer (Released)
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Some of the Youtube comments are crazy, like “download it asap before SONY/Disney decide to remove it…” - no guys, there’s no need to worry, YoshiKiller2S already (generously) shared the raw file so it’s perfectly safe! 😃

Honestly it’s crazy the response you got, considering the relatively modest response to this being shared in HD for the first time:

https://vimeo.com/212361397

Lots of people seem to think that because this trailer was pulled in cinemas it’s less likely to be preserved in high quality - nope! Even the Orphanage, a 2007 film, its trailers are not in HD (I preserved the Teaser).