RU.08

Hi monkeyjb- guessing from your username you of course couldn’t have appreciated this film in its original run! I was able to see it in 2015 projected from a theatrical print, and I can tell you 100% it looked nothing like the DVD or bluray. 😃

Aladdin looks pretty much correct compared to the theatrical prints. Not perfect, but not different enough that I would worry as much about it as I do BATB. You are more than welcome to have a crack at restoration, it will be scanned in Prores format, but all you would need to do is load a clip in Resolve and export .TIFs.

And I’m still waiting for some high-res preview images! I’m a little surprised it’s taking so long given that Face/Off has been scanned and can’t move anywhere until this scan gets done (sorry face/off fans lol).

TheHutt said:

They were filmed without sound recording on set, as the films were later entirely dubbed in each of the languages they were released in. For the longer Italian version, the Italian dub was recorded in Italy. For the (shorter) US version, the English dub was recorded in the USA. During filming, every actor spoke his native language.

Even if they had recorded audio on set they would still have needed to re-dub everything in post.

Actually it’s true that DTS is a pretty poor compression format for audio. But what do you expect - it was introduced in 1993. Cinema DTS is 882 kbps. Will AC-3 640 kbps sound better? Probably, but it’s a pretty old compression format too.

If you’re not on MySpleen you can also find it on Bloodsuckerz.

Many thanks to TonyWDA for his generous donation!

Keep it up guys, you have no idea how many prints I need to have scanned. Here is yet another miscellaneous print patiently waiting for me to try and organise scanning:

I can’t believe people actually let me clutter up their houses with my crap. 😄

Much thanks to Doombot for his generous donation!

Yeah, the bluray colour timing on the Matrix is completely revised, not unlike BATB actually - but not as extreme as BATB. You should keep in mind though that the Matrix trailer like pretty much all trailers you see is just a plain raw scan with no corrections done, and may not be wholly reflective of how it would look projected.

It’s on the pirate bay.

Ah and the part I left out was quality control. When prints are struck and sent to cinemas they obviously have to adhere to a strict quality control so that all the customers that see the show have a consistent experience. This isn’t a universal truth through, for instance patrons in the UK saw Star Wars on IB Technicolor, while those in the US saw it on Kodak Eastman prints. But within the UK or the US the distributor would want all patrons to have as consistent a show as possible. There’s no guarantee of quality control with 16mm unless it was made for broadcast or another specific purpose where it would be important.

I hope that made sense. 😃

Film prints don’t have a very high resolution. A 35mm fine grain negative might have a resolution of 3-3.5K, but prints have a resolution lower than 2K. 16mm has just 1/4 of that resolution, so less than 1K, and then add to that the duplication process is an unknown too. Who struck the print and why? Was it duplicated and then reduced from a 35mm print for example. A print duplicated from another print instead of struck from an interneg has an even lower resolution, poorer dynamic range, etc. Also, 16mm prints often look quite different to their 35mm counterparts, so you can’t know that your print is representative of the colour timing, brightness and contrast of the theatrical experience. And after all that, unless you’re paying for some substandard conversion done with a camcorder and a dvd-recorder, scanning costs the same as scanning a 35mm print anyway.

I’m glad you like it. I can’t take too much credit for it, the scanner sourced it bought it and scanned it, and all I did was nag him for it and then upload it!

If you want to see a whole bunch more 35mm trailers check out my page here:

https://valeyard.net/2017/03/we-just-love-trailers.php

I started indexing all the trailers I could find online there. Include each and everything that Williarob has uploaded (that took a while!)

On the topic of BATB, it has been sent to the scanner, so now I’m just waiting for it to be received and samples to be sent… unfortunately I still don’t have a BATB trailer but I am following up leads. Also known as nagging the collectors that told me that they might have a trailer. 😃

I know others have their own opinions, but I would personally not bother with 16mm unless it’s something that you’re unlikely to find on 35mm. The Russian guy sells a lot of prints, and he’s a good seller. Bare in mind that all titles and credits will be in Russian on those prints, but some are certainly worth picking up if anyone’s interested in the titles.

2.3GB.

For the first time since 1999, you can now enjoy The Matrix trailer in full 1080p high definition:

https://vimeo.com/212361397
https://valeyard.net/2017/04/the-matrix-trailer-in-hd-for-the-first-time.php

2K Prores file is available for anyone interested.

cpalmer2k said:

Honestly I missed that part. I deleted my most recent registration and re-did it. How much is the print listed there for?

Hey I sent you a private message, did you read it? You click the speach-bubble at the top-right of the page next to your avatar (or here).

You can give poita donations any time through his paypal.me link, I’m sure he’d appreciate it he always has ongoing costs related to this stuff!

Thanks go Wazzles for his generous donation. At this rate, we might be able to get the film scanned by the end of the month! Hopefully we’ll have some good preview images soon, once the film finds its way to the scanner and he has time to get some for us…

If you think that’s generous… both RooBee & TServo2049 donated to that project and then to mine! Of course most of my donors have donated to other people’s projects before (as have I), but to see these guys do it within just a few days of donating to the other project is very generous indeed.

Thanks go to both RooBee & TServo2049 for their generous donations.

Now in other news, if you don’t follow the Face/Off thread, the guys behind that (PDB and thxita) are giving the “early-access version” of their scan to their donators. The early access version will be BD25 size, and as I understand it not cleaned up (or minimal repairs). Given the sample images provided though, it looks like it will be a relatively clean scan like Jurassic Park.

Because we’re having stuff scanned at the same time, and Face/Off is fully funded, they will generously extend the early-access release of Face/Off to anyone who donates to this project as well!

thxita said:

Since we are basically leeching onto RU.08’s other scanning projects (the only reason why we could do it so cheaply, bless him) you can indeed donate something to his project and still get the early release of Face/Off.
The first direct release will have a 25gb limit but we didn’t say anything about the FINAL release. That will be up to PDB.

The only costs reduced due to my activities are mailing hard-drives, but I’ll take the credit anyway. Basically, Thxita and PDB are having this scanned, I’m having a mystery print I’ll tell you about later scanned (but it has to go to PDB, just like Face/Off), and then if/when I can afford it BATB.

little-endian said:

Unfortunately I just saw this thread so could I still somehow sign up for the ride and get a copy? Financial contribution as a matter of course.

You can donate to my project, if I get enough money it’ll be scanned very soon on the same equipment. I’m not sure I can get you an “early access” version of Face/Off, but I’m sure they’ll put a release up for everyone eventually.

It’s the bit in big red capitals, so easy to miss. The print is listed for $650, exactly as I mentioned in the post you quoted!

alexp120 said:

So, from my reading of this last post, what is involved is the cost of freight, scanning, and HDDs.

If anyone can make this happened, I’ll be the first to do a monetary donation to the project…well, maybe not the first, but I’ll donate 😃

Good luck.

A 2nd print is always a great option. ALWAYS!!! If you guys are passionate, the print for sale is a fraction of the cost that poita’s print was, and you can get it scanned for $1K as opposed to $700 in shipping + $1K!

I love this movie, and I would buy it myself if not for the fact that I already have half a dozen prints that need scanning!

$650 + postage (in the US). Good overall condition. It’s over 3 hours though, so even the most affordable scanning options would still cost about $1K.

cpalmer2k said:

I’ve created an account over there twice now. Both times it says “awaiting approval”, but it never gets approved.

Did you read the rules? You have to register under your real name with a non-disposable email…

There’s a print for sale on 35mmforum if you guys are interested.

MaximRecoil said:

It still matters if you have a display which can take advantage of anamorphic DVDs. Cropping and zooming is just a kludge. It doesn’t give you the extra resolution that anamorphic DVDs have.

Well there was no extra resolution because they were transferred in 1993 in SD. But of course, if they’d bothered to scan the three films in 2006 they could have given us anamorphic DVDs.

Williarob said:

And yet they went to the trouble of replacing the '81 crawl… Perhaps that employee was fired for going above and beyond what was requested.

They had already scanned and cleaned that shot for Empire of Dreams.