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It’s not CGI, those are practical effects optically composted.

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I made comparison with BD, and sadly it’s only the 1.85:1 version…

Yeah you beat me to it, even without comparing it to the BD it looks like it’s hard-matted 1.85:1. The 4K remaster is gorgeous, the only reason to do a print scan of Robocop is if you found a very good print and it was open-matte. And yeah it’ll be the censored theatrical version.

Yes very normal. 😃

Thanks go to the most recent donator MWilson!

@Enigmo I can’t answer that as I haven’t reviewed every movie personally, but I would say “probably not” at least from what I have seen so far. I encourage you to go to any 35mm shows that may be playing in your area, although now a couple of years ago I went to several 35mm shows of classic Disney films and I got to experience in some cases for the first time the experience in a cinema shown on 35mm, and in other cases for the first time since the early 1990’s.

The cover image in high resolution is here:

http://cskern.biz/star-wars

But I suggest you ask the artist (Corbyn Kern) before using it.

Very interesting responses from Mr Shickadance and ElectricTriangle, I guess I was mistaken. You still need to be careful though, as ElectricTriangle correctly pointed out a remixed soundtrack and also other creative elements on a release (bluray menus, artwork, audio commentaries, potentially subtitles, and other special features) are copyrightable so you would need to remove any works from the release that are not original.

There isn’t an unlimited window of opportunity, if we don’t scan some of these prints then they will be returned to their owners and we won’t have the opportunity again.

As long as it’s v2.0 a mega link would be welcome. v1 had the incorrect colour grading.

Why are you working from the DVD when there’s a Bluray? Oh right now I see your edit comments. 😃

Jeez, the Bluray is ugly as hell with all that edge enhancement, and the UHD is a horrid grainfest. And yes they’ve blown out the highlights on the UHD.

Short answer: a LOT, please donate!

Yes 4K full aperture which itself is about 2x the resolution of the TITANIC scan for example. And depending on the hardware that itself may be downscaled from the native resolution of 5K or 6K.

RUN_LUKE_RUN said:

I honestly didn’t want to sound rude. If i did I’m sorry. I had a honest question and thank you for taking the time to post your comments to clarify. You have sacrificed so much so people can enjoy your work and i thank you. if i ever save up enough money for my home server i would be happy to lend my processing power to your projects. But for now cryptocurrency miners will continue to jack-up the prices.

I don’t think anyone was accusing you of that. To me it just sounded a little uninformed, not rude. I think the thing is there is a disparity of information between people who are involved (like poita), people who follow closely, and people who are new or don’t follow these projects so closely. In any case posting your enquiry in the forum rather than by private topic I think is helpful as it provides an opportunity for others who are thinking the same thing to get an answer. 😃

Yes, please do send a donation to poita! It would be greatly appreciated, the information is in the first post of this thread.

I believe poita will be getting this scanned next (after ANH: SE but before the other special editions). 😃

I just need something that can encode DNxHD/ProRes faster and let me preview my 1080p timelines quicker. When tweaking Poita’s preview files in Sony Vegas, my 4770 / 635 couldn’t handle the footage unless it was in 8-bit/Video Gamma, as opposed to full 32-bit/Linear Gamma, which made my preview screen play back at ~8fps. Not sure if a GPU upgrade would fix this though.

I think if you run your display from a second GPU then it fixes screen lag. Of course I can’t speak from experience. 😃

We have the opportunity to scan Jungle Book. From three IB Technicolor prints (two in English). Some work has already been done on the first print, here is a video preview of Reel 2:

Password: jbpreview

As you can see, this print is in excellent overall condition with very few lines or scratches, and it is very clean. It does however have some splices, and we will need to scan the second print to do a proper restoration. The total scanning costs are around $900 (that does not cover rental, postage, or hard drive space), although I have already covered some of that as well as received some private donations. The main print we’re working from will be available for a while, however the second print is a limited opportunity. I would like to be able to scan it as well, but currently don’t have the funds to do it. If you’re interested in donating to the cause, please send me a message!

Also, we will shortly have limited access to the Sleeping Beauty and Lady and the Tramp prints as well!

Thanks!

Screenshots of Print #1:

I’ll be concentrating on Titanic first, I plan to start work on that later this month. I also have a copy of Alice in Wonderland a scan that was done back in 2015, and we’ve been looking into possibilities to get a second Alice print scanned. And I’ve been busy getting other scans done, and hopefully there will be several more scans to do very soon (think Sleeping Beauty, Lady and the Tramp, and we have access to two prints of Jungle Book we can scan as well - all IB Technicolor). And after I get those scanned there’s still more to do - Lion King, the second Cinderella print (we will need at least R1 scanned), Fantasia Kostal, and The Land Before Time. So any donations towards scanning would be much appreciated, I have very little money at the moment to continue spending on scans so like poita I’ll soon run into a dead-end.

Here is a preview from Jungle Book:

Password: jbpreview

By the way, although that’s open matte I will almost certainly not release it like that. You can see the framing is really bad and not at all intended to be shown like that.

Agreed! Another thing that frustrates me that I think about a lot is the fact that they won’t even allow the originals to be booked for shows. Most other films a cinema can select whether they want to screen a print or a DCP.

As this post triggered a new page I’ll quote poita’s post:

poita said:

I’d love nothing more than to get ESB done, it is difficult to prioritise one project over another.
The main scan the 4K77 project is using exists in part because many years ago I sent them $3000 worth of hard drives to store it on. The 1977 crawl exists because they lent me the film to get the 1977 crawl scanned on a pro level scanner, the ESB print got scanned in part because of Harmy’s followers. If Mike Verta hadn’t started on his project, some of these prints never would have been found and scans would not have been done.
We all help each other out behind the scenes, and make massive sacrifices of time and money to do so. It often means sacrificing time on your own project to help out with someone elses.
I got a PM the other day from someone who just wants me to upload the entire 21TB scan to their computer for them to use in their own experiments. Just doing that requires days of my time to restore the scan from LTO to hard drives, to tie up a computer for weeks to transfer the files, a computer that then can’t be used for doing any work on any of the projects. They just expected that it would be done for them, with no thought to the time and money costs involved at this end.
I also copped some flak on PMs as to seeing that I am so rich and can throw this sort of money at projects, why do I need donations anyway. I get this assumption quite a bit.
The reality is, I have 4 kids, two have medical issues, one has severe mental and physical disabilities and I am her primary carer. This means I can only work on short professional projects, or ones where I can work remotely from home. This means I typically make around AUD$30K a year in income, about $23,000 US a year, and my time is split between the work I can do and the needs of my kids. The time inbetween those spaces, I spend on this stuff, and we live very frugally and I spend probably more than I should on this stuff as well. Anything I would have spent buying a coke or a magazine or a coffee or something, I throw at this instead. I love it, I love working on it, and being part of a community that has done something that the studios are unwilling to.
The purpose of mentioning all this is that it boils down to I have limited resources of money and time. I have amazing resources of access to equipment and expertise, but am severely hampered by time and money. It is frustrating for me, and for everyone waiting on these, and without the help coming in from all of the amazingly generous souls here and on FanRes, none of this would exist. You all are truly amazing.
It is so frustrating sometimes, I wish we had a Zuckerberg style sugardaddy behind our cause, for about $40K per film, we could get the OT restored to a truly spectacular 4K that would knock the socks off the Blurays, and get it done in a few months, but we don’t have that kind of money available. It is a pity, as we could genuinely restore all 3 films for less than they spent re-doing the sound for the ANH SE.
Anyway, enough of a look behind the curtain, I just want everyone to know that I am as impatient as you all are to get the OT fully restored, in a glorious 4K deep colour version that it deserves, but other projects sometimes get priority, it all helps in the end, even if it delays things for a while.

In addition to all the help that poita has been to TN1, Harmy, and MikeV working on Star Wars projects, he has also been a huge help on other projects. Several of the early scans that are released on Myspleen came at poita’s expense, not to mention all the help he has been with other projects that are not yet released. For example, The Good The Bad and The Ugly Italian, poita found a vanishingly rare print after searching for a very long time “I have been looking for an IB of the original for a long time, this is the only one that has come up after looking at over 5000 lists in Italy (I’m not kidding).”! And he then provided someone to repair the film and scan it. And that’s just our community. He has helped others with setting up scanning systems, and I’m sure that he has done a lot more too than I am even aware about or would be able to disclose on an open forum! Poita is an unsung hero. Above all, poita is an extremely generous person, and one of the nicest people there is.

Thanks again for the amazing work you have done for scanning poita!!

RUN_LUKE_RUN said:

not to be rude but don’t you think you should preserve the 35+ year old films that are degrading vs the 21 year old SE ? and will they all be in 4k ?
like i said not trying to be rude thanks for doing this cant wait for ESB and ROTJ in 4k to go with 4k77

Like poita said, this was a limited opportunity, and to be honest you have to take opportunities when they come up. Look at the prices normally charged by labs in LA or NY that provide triple flash scanning, the costs are in the order of $20,000-30,000 per 2hr film.

Also, 4k77 is a different project to poita’s, it’s Team Negative 1’s project. I understand for you that Empire and Jedi may be priorities because there are other restorations already of the first film, but poita may wish to get the first film done first for his restorations.

Actually after seeing the current prices I decided to go with a 1050 Ti for now. But if the prices come down later this year as they’re projected to then I may get second GPU.

poita said:

The 1050Ti is the cheapest that gives you any real advantage for editing and grading, but it depends a lot on the software you use.

Thanks! I’m thinking about the 1060 6GB.

I don’t understand what you’re saying, but there is nothing to stop someone else doing their own scan (if they can access the film) and then releasing it royalty-free if they want.

Poita when you have a chance I have a question for you - what reasonably priced graphics card would you suggest I get for video editing? I have an i7-4770 and 24GB of DDR3.

poita said:

The scanner was repaired, then broke again then after much fighting with the scanner manufacturer, was repaired correctly.

That sounds like a PITA! Unfortunately with trade equipment there are few people who can service/repair them, and it’s often the case that only the manufacturer can provide servicing. At my old job we had equipment that would break down and the closest serviceperson isn’t in our city so we would have to wait 2 weeks or more (usually) for it to be fixed. The serviceman I’m thinking of though was very good at his job and always eager to see the equipment working properly, but he was always very busy and in-demand.