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Post: #243698
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243698/action/topic#243698
Time: 13-Sep-2006 1:47 PM

As Moth3r and Zion have stated, the PAL GOUT uses the same NTSC master, which only has a resolution of 720x480. The master got upscaled to PAL-Format, 720x576.

Am I right then, that I get a better anamorphic picture when I take the NTSC GOUT DVD as source for resizing?

It's like:
NTSC Master Tape 720x480 --> Scaling to PAL 720x576 --> Scaling to Anamorphic PAL.
NTSC Master Tape 720x480 --> Scaling to Anamorphic PAL.

You can download 2 videoclips from my PAL DVD to compare your NTSC GOUT release:
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=6515&STARTPAGE=4

Some infos for the custom-dvds:

GOUT ANH PAL video track: 5.924.363.248 Bytes
DD2.0 ANH audio track: 167.258.880 Bytes [@ Pal-Speed]

GOUT ESB PAL video track: 6.475.773.544 Bytes
DD2.0 ESB audio track: 172.439.040 Bytes [@ Pal-Speed]

GOUT ROTJ PAL video track: 6.659.388.916 Bytes
DD2.0 ROTJ audio track: 181.860.096 Bytes [@ Pal-Speed]

There should be enough space on ANH for a PCM audiotrack, even if you reencode the video at higher bitrate.

Post: #243688
Topic: Any New "Tweaks" to these Special Edition DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243688/action/topic#243688
Time: 13-Sep-2006 1:21 PM

I can only talk about ANH here, and I am talking about the SSE-Disc in the GOUT 2-Disc Set:
At least the PAL 2004 RC2 DVD was newly encoded for this 2006 release. The videotrack of the 2006 PAL SE DVD is not the same size as the 2004 PAL SE DVD. The videotracks have the same length but not the same size. The 2006 videotrack is 13 MB smaller than the 2004 videotrack. That's not due to copyright-screens or trailers because I have extracted just the main movie.

If you are comparing the two videotracks with virtualdubmod, you can make out really fine compression differences. Most of the frames look exactly like each other, but from time to time you can make out some differences due to encoding. So, there has to be some sort of new encoding. But don't count that you can make out some quality differences, it's only interesting that they redid the video-encoding and dvd-authoring.

The disc-cover is also redone slightly.

Post: #243685
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243685/action/topic#243685
Time: 13-Sep-2006 1:18 PM

Here is a videoclip [direct stream copy, no reencoding] from the PAL GOUT DVD.
You get the famous Twin-Sunset Scene with Luke:
http://rapidshare.de/files/32989350/sunset.mpg.html

First encouter between Ben-Kenobi and Luke Skywalker:
http://rapidshare.de/files/32992705/luke_ben.mpg.html

Post: #243665
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243665/action/topic#243665
Time: 13-Sep-2006 12:46 PM

Missing frames for Moth3r and Zion are here:
http://rapidshare.de/files/32986405/pal_update.zip.html

Post: #243337
Topic: Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243337/action/topic#243337
Time: 12-Sep-2006 6:46 PM

Laserschwert wrote:
And any news on the MPEG2-files of the German crawls?

Not yet ...

...but I got my SVHS-Recorder back from service.
I have done a capture of "Die Story vom Krieg der Sterne", which is a german dubbed version of "The Making of Star Wars".
I am now playing with brightness/contrast settings to get the full 0-255 bandwidth but without clipping black/white.
After some practice I will sure recapture ANH.
Please be patient.

Post: #243258
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243258/action/topic#243258
Time: 12-Sep-2006 3:40 PM

First 10 Screenshots of ANH-GOUT, PAL, R2-DVD:

http://rapidshare.de/files/32885201/01-10.zip.html

Screenshots 11-20 of ANH-GOUT, PAL, R2-DVD:

http://rapidshare.de/files/32887319/11-20.zip.html

Screenshots 21-30:

http://rapidshare.de/files/32889838/21-30.zip.html

Screenshots 31-36:

.http://rapidshare.de/files/32891112/31-36.zip.html

If I missed the desired frame, please post it here, I can fix that. If you need other screenshots from ANH, post it here, too.

Post: #243245
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243245/action/topic#243245
Time: 12-Sep-2006 2:53 PM

Just got my OUT DVD Ep4, PAL, RC2. I can support you with screenshots, made by virtualdub, .png format. just tell me what you would like to see.

Post: #243242
Topic: Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243242/action/topic#243242
Time: 12-Sep-2006 2:48 PM

Just got my OUT DVD Ep4, PAL, RC2. There is no sign of "Krieg der Sterne" anywhere, there is no german title crawl, no german end titles (abspann). Really dissapointing, if you ask me. If you choose german language, you get german dvd-subtitles on the title scroll and for greedo. Sound doesn't seem to be the THX 1995 Track, at least the (cheap) echo is not included.

I can support you with screenshots, made by virtualdub, .png format. just tell me what you would like to see.

Post: #243235
Topic: OOT DVD Dual or Single Layer?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243235/action/topic#243235
Time: 12-Sep-2006 2:37 PM

Dual Layer

Post: #242272
Topic: Info Wanted: Mono mix - German Versions?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242272/action/topic#242272
Time: 8-Sep-2006 4:13 PM

Hi!

I am the guy who is working on a project to release the german version of the original starwars trilogy. There is a project-thread in the preservation forum. As you stated your interest in the german mix, the best would proberly be getting the R2 OUT DVD since it will feature a german audio track. Disadvantage is of course that it's still unknown which mix the OUT dvd will feature. The 1995 THX German LD are not featuring the original cinema audio track and are furthermore missing several lines. And it's DD2.0 only.

Post: #241355
Topic: Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241355/action/topic#241355
Time: 5-Sep-2006 7:26 AM

@Laserschwert:

At the moment I only made test captures of the two vhs-tapes from the first movie. ESB and ROTJ will be captured later. I need to get my SVHS-Recorder back from service. I just haven't had time yet to get it back. After that and after some capture calibration everything will be captured again.

So for now I can post both Fullscreen and Widescreen - German Title Crawls from the first movie. You need audio, too? Which format (they are captured with Huffyuv-Codec) you want me to post them? With Huffyuv they have over 700MB each! I can run it through CCE-SP and post a MPEG-2 PAL Videoclip.

Be patient and you will get 3 really nice Dual Layer DVDs to download.

@MeBeJedi:
It depends which soundtrack you got from SoundTrackMaster. The THX 95 Laserdisc Soundtrack is crap if you ask me, at least for ANH. But it should be featured nethertheless.

@boba feta:
That was the idea. Squeesh the Full Frame to anamorphic widescreeen and combine it with a OUT-DVD (made anamorphic, too). But if I get a better picture quality from the 1993 laserdiscs, I will better use them of course. But at the moment I am still searching for a good laserdisc player.

@vigo:
sharing was no problem for me. you are welcome. i am living in austria, next to germany.

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I have compared every frame from the VHS Silver Screen Collection as well as the VHS Widescreen 1993 Release to the X0-Timecode Release. The problem seems to be, both tapes seems to be missing some frames. I don't mean the capture but the vhs-source. Sometimes only the Widescreen is missing 2-3 frames, sometimes only the Silver Screen Collection misses some, manytimes both of them. We are talking about ~70 Frames in total each. So to keep the audio in sync with the picture, I will need to get rid of those missing frames in the videotrack I want to use (X0/OUT). But as far as I know there is no way to get two (or three) of those "edits" on one disc. So the easy way would be 3 releases of each movie. One with the audio from the SilverScreenCollection, one with the audio from the 93-Widescreen Release and one with the thx-audio from 95. But as I noted before, the SilverScreenCollection and 93-Widescreen sound like each other, so two releases with identical audio would be a little redundant.

I haven't checked it yet, but my guess is, that the THX 1995 Tapes have the exact same edit as the NTSC-DC/Faces-Laserdiscs.

Don't know anything about differences in ESB/ROTJ yet.

Sorry for the bad english to everyone!

Post: #241230
Topic: Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241230/action/topic#241230
Time: 4-Sep-2006 6:00 PM

Here is the whole sequence from the VHS Tape - Silver Screen Collection 1990 [Full Frame]:
http://rapidshare.de/files/31970857/speeder_seq_silverscreen.avi.html

Here is the whole sequence from the VHS Tape - First Widescreen Release 1993 [pre-THX!]:
http://rapidshare.de/files/31970654/speeder_seq.avi.html

Project status:
No Laserdisc Player yet!
I've got the original tape (Original Kaufkassette) from "Krieg der Sterne" for the Video2000. It is from the year 1982.
I've got the missing Laserdisc from the Silver Screen Collection.

The Silverscreen Collection VHS Edition and the Widescreen 1993 VHS seems to have the same audio-master [still checking], just differ in timing (lipsync).
However the 1995 THX VHS differs greatly and as I have described before is not my favourite, especially because is it not the original 1977 audio. The included echo-effect on all deathstar indoor scenes just sounds so cheap. It is also missing some lines of dialogue.

The Whole OUT-DVD Release seems to just care for the USA-Cinema-like Experience. It seems missing the original title here "Krieg der Sterne" and the original title crawl. Does anyone know, if a german title-crawl is even included?

For the main part of the movie I'll proberly take the videotrack of the PAL OUT-DVDs, but exchange title crawl and audio. My confidence in the X0-Project is unbroken and I am sure there will be a second edition with a superior videotrack using x0.

Post: #232137
Topic: ~~~Segaflip's Newsgroup Posting List~~~
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/232137/action/topic#232137
Time: 4-Aug-2006 2:22 AM

Could you please use a.b.starwars instead of a.b.dvd or a.b.dvd5 ?
The newsserver of my provider doesn't feature the later two.

Please use a.b.starwars.

Many thanks!

Post: #231899
Topic: Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/231899/action/topic#231899
Time: 3-Aug-2006 11:32 AM

Update:

- Laserdisc Player not working. Seems like it will take some time (1month+), until I can make captures of my laserdiscs.
- SVHS still @ service.

I've done another two test captures of the first movie with another vhs-recorder. The "CBS/FOX Silver Screen Collection 1990" and the "Widescreen 1993 Release" were captured.

At the moment I am discovering a lot of things about all the little differences between the several german releases.

The biggest thing I have encoutered, The 1995 THX German Audio Track is not the best way to experience the old trilogy. There has been inserted some awful cheap "echo effect" on all the deathstar-indoor-scenes. Those "echoes" aren't on any previous release and are not on the Special Edition either. Of course they haven't been in the cinema this way. There will be some audio examples very soon. Now I am more curious, which audio track the OUT-DVDs will feature. As there will be only one german audio-track on the OUT-DVDs, one is not preserved properly. My project will feature both audio tracks, of course!

Some details about the first movie:

### "Alien language" of Greedo:

I have encoutered four different Greedo-translations. Simply every release has it's own. Does anyone remember, what colour did the subtitles originally had in germany? The video releases all have big yellow letters while the broadcast premiere features small white letters.

1) CBS/FOX Silverscreen Collection 1990 Release (4:3)
2) Widescreen 1993 Release (2:35:1)
3) THX Widescreen 1995 Release (2:35:1)
4) Broadcast Premiere on "Sat.1" (cropped to 1.85:1)

The project will feature all of them, at least as a bonus feature. Maybe I can even make a menu selection.

### Title crawl - "Krieg der Sterne":

You can forget the THX Widescreen Release, it only features cheap CGI-made in germany-letters. Those aren't the original crawls!
The Widescreen 1993 Release seems to feature the title-crawl exactly how it was in the cinemas, but as everybody knows: a letterboxed VHS only features limited resolution.

The Fullframe CBS/FOX Silverscreen Collection features the complete title-crawl, nothing is cropped to my surprise, because the original 2:35:1 picture was stretched to 720x576. This stretching is kept until the first cut [TCR+01:02:38:13]. The end titles are featured the same way. As a result, I get a lot more resolution if using this one!

The following pictures will show you, what I mean:

[left = Full Frame of the Silver Screen Collection - VHS]
[right = Letterboxed Frame of the first Widescreen VHS Release]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7316/comparetitlecrawlsilverscreen06ne8.th.jpg

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http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7919/comparetitlecrawlsilverscreen01rn8.th.jpg

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http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/9063/comparetitlecrawlsilverscreen02kz0.th.jpg

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http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7281/comparetitlecrawlsilverscreen03fi4.th.jpg

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http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8/comparetitlecrawlsilverscreen04gn1.th.jpg

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http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/5893/comparetitlecrawlsilverscreen05qu4.th.jpg

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If I use the full frame title crawl and resize it to it's original aspect ratio (or anamorphic), it will look a lot better than just using the crawl from the letterboxed tape. Same goes with the german end titles, which were exchanged by the english ones since THX1995.

I don't know how the 1993 Laserdiscs look like. Can anyone, who has them, compare the crawl from "Krieg der Stern" to my screenshots. Do they look the same? How is the quality of them on Laserdisc? If they are of better quality, I will use them of course.

It's funny that the famous four dots on "A long time ago" and at the end of the title crawl were not inserted here in germany til the 2004-DVD-Release.

### Awful Audio Cut

There is some awful audio-cut in the pre-thx releases. The frames from 01:26:33:02 to 01:26:34:04 are simply cut away. It's in the scene where Luke is searching for R2D2 with his binoculars. C-3PO is talking about R2D2. Wondering, if I can fix this.

Is there some program, which let me compare two audio-files for offsets/starting of voices in order to "visually" sync them etc?

Post: #229757
Topic: Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229757/action/topic#229757
Time: 27-Jul-2006 5:50 AM

Just to remind you all, the main purpose of this project is to preserve the uncompressed pcm sound of the german starwars trilogy. The project will also feature the german title crawl from 77,80,83, the alien-subtitles in german, and the german crawl at the end of the movie (we call it: "Abspann").

Special Features will be a german version of "Making of Starwars" (PAL VHS tape), the interviews from 1995 release and all the trailers, I got in german language.

The videotrack will be taken (if I get an ok from the author) from another PAL project or from X0 or from the OUT DVDs. If that is the case, my videotrack will only be used for the crawl etc.

To all, who don't know: lucasfilm has done an awful job, when remastering the german audio for the special edition 1997. The German trilogy is since known for "lispering" (the "s" got heavily filtered). Everybody sounds like he can't speak.

The project will feature both, the THX 1995 audio, and the pre THX audio from the two laserdisc releases. VHS-tapes will be used, if I find any differences in sound/picture.

Here are some screenshots from my raw-capture I was talking about earlier, it's already got a timecode (avs-script):

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9605/widescreen199300lg7.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/619/widescreen199301xs4.jpg

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9698/widescreen199302ox2.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2032/widescreen199303nm6.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3372/widescreen199304ls6.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1492/widescreen199305ny0.jpg

This avs-script I have done to compare my test capture with the x0-tc-print for different cuts, missing frames:

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/7567/widescreen1993syncx0cs5.jpg

(could it be, that the x0 has lost some detail on this r2-unit?)

The [Pre-THX] PAL VHS (and i guess also the laserdisc) misses several frames. In order to get the pre-thx-audio sync you just have to delete those frames from the videotrack, you want to use. It's that simple. So maybe I'll do two releases for each movie (THX, Non-THX).

And now some bad news: my laserdisc player arrived, but it's not working. the tray always ejects the laserdiscs. Either it says "no disc" or it jumps from "LD" to "CD". I have not seen a single picture, just the menu of the player. I bought it on ebay as functional and have paid for "versichert" shipping. If anyone could be of help (ebay) or knows this problem with the Sony MDP-333, please reply.

Post: #228987
Topic: Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228987/action/topic#228987
Time: 25-Jul-2006 6:39 AM

Update on project-status:

I've now received the following Laserdisc Titles:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4150/ldep41995smallgp9.jpg

ANH [Krieg der Sterne], Laserdisc, THX Edition, 1995, Widescreen, CAV

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4418/ldep51995smalllm2.jpg

ESB [Das Imperium schlägt zurück], Laserdisc, THX Edition, 1995, Widescreen, CAV

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9288/ldep61995smalluv3.jpg

ROTJ [Die Rückkehr der Jedi-Ritter], Laserdisc, THX Edition, 1995, Widescreen, CAV

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9785/ldep51993smallbg5.jpg

ESB [Das Imperium schlägt zurück], Laserdisc, Silver Screen Collection, 1993, Widescreen

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1964/ldep61993smallej6.jpg

ROTJ [Die Rückkehr der Jedi-Ritter], Laserdisc, Silver Screen Collection, 1993, Widescreen

Still missing the very first LD of the Silver Screen Collection. Can anyone help out?

I bought four French Laserdiscs out of curiosity: ESB 1990, ESB 1995 THX, ROTJ 1995 THX, ANH SE 1997 THX.

I have also bought a Laserdisc Player on ebay. It's a Sony MDP-333 and it features PCM out. Now I am waiting for its arrival.

My JVC SVHS HR-S6600EU is @ service (repair) at the moment in order to get clean transfers from it.

I've taken the vhs tape of ANH [WS, 1993] and made a test capture with my equipement. I've done it to play with, until my vhs comes back and my ld-player finally arrives. I am comparing the capture to the X0-TC Print and of course I will compare the audio to the official 2004 DVD.

S-Video In -- PDI-Deluxe
Line In -- Onboard Soundcard
Datavideo TBC-1000

Huffyuv 2.1.1 Lossless Codec
PCM 48khz, Stereo, 16bit

Post: #225129
Topic: Using PCM Out of Laserdisc Players
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/225129/action/topic#225129
Time: 8-Jul-2006 1:55 PM

Hi!

Do you think, there are quality differences on the PCM-Output between several laserdisc players?

As I said before, there is a great chance, I will use my videotrack but X0/OUT/Other PAL-Projects for my german preservation project.
Of course I will capture video also as a guidetrack but it will later be exchanged by another mpeg2-track.
I won't need to invest that much in the player, if only using it for audio. Am I right?

Please help me!

Post: #224399
Topic: Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/224399/action/topic#224399
Time: 5-Jul-2006 7:39 AM

I wanted to update you all on the progress of the project.

The Laserdisc Collector, I was talking about in the first post, has given up his collection and players several years ago. So he can't help me on my project.

I was able to buy the German THX Krieg der Sterne Laserdisc Set from 1995.
I also bought ESB and ROTJ - 1993 German Laserdiscs (Silverscreen Collection Cover).
What I am still missing is the ANH - 1993 Laserdisc!
And I haven't found the ANH - 1982 Laserdisc (Bildplatte) yet.

Does anyone here have one of the 2 missing laserdiscs?

Furthermore I bought several different Orignal Trilogies VHS Sets to check the Audio for differences etc...
Within is the very first VHS Release of "Krieg der Sterne" from 1982.
Also got a German VHS of "Making of Starwars" called "Die Story vom Krieg der Sterne".
The "Making of" will be definately captured for the bonus disc!

I will receive all items I bought on ebay in the next two weeks, so the real project will begin after that.

I am still searching for a good enough Laserdisc Player.
Do you think, there are quality differences on the PCM-Output between several players?
As I said before, there is a great chance, I will not use my videotrack but X0/OUT/Other PAL-Projects.
Of course I will capture video also as a guidetrack but it will later be exchanged by another mpeg2-track.
I won't need to invest that much in the player. Am I right?

Any suggestions?

Post: #223523
Topic: STAR WARS: The Torrents thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223523/action/topic#223523
Time: 30-Jun-2006 5:49 PM

Could someone please seed "Making Magic", there are no seeders and people are @ 42.9 %.
Thanks a lot in advantage!

Post: #222355
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222355/action/topic#222355
Time: 27-Jun-2006 6:01 AM

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/1954/x0internal018gi.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1228/x0internal022qv.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4788/x0internal039kx.jpg

Hope, these snaps help you out Zion!

Post: #221941
Topic: Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/221941/action/topic#221941
Time: 26-Jun-2006 3:25 PM

Today I found a wonderful german website with lots of infos on all the Laserdisc and VHS Releases in Germany:
http://www.jedi-archiv.de/Video.htm

Post: #221668
Topic: Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/221668/action/topic#221668
Time: 25-Jun-2006 3:27 PM

Thanks for all the infos and many thanks for the screenshot comparison laserschwert.

What about the ESB & ROTJ title-crawls of the 1995 THX Set? Are those fucked up, too?

Ideas for Extras for a Bonus Disc:

* Trailers:
I've got the german ESB, ROTJ and the Ewoks Trailer on my Silverscreen VHS Release.
(As a sidenote, not a single german trailer has been released on any official SW-DVD.)

* Broadcast premiere Intros:
from 1990 of ANH and ROTJ. ESB is still unplayable cause it's recorded in Longplay.

* Making Of:
I once downloaded from emule "Die Story vom Krieg der Sterne", ~400 MB, which is a german dubbed vhs-capture of "Making of Star Wars". I think, I am able to mix the audio with the videotrack from one of the laserdisc captures.

* Other German SW-Stuff:
I also got a VHS-Tape with lots of stuff from the SE (Making Of SE, TV-Spots, News-Reports,...).
Maybe some TPM-Stuff from 1999 as well (I think there was once a german TPM trailer shown on VOX in a program called Starwars-Nacht).

I also recorded last year with my previous TV-Capture card:

Empire of Dreams - german Broadcast from PRO7
- the 2004 Bonus DVD only features english audio with german subtitles
- featuring many original actor synchron voices for the interviews
Mythologies of SW - german
Story of ILM - german
Story of SW - german

And I already compiled 2 DVDs with german SW-Ep3 TV-Reports (TV-Berichte) with a super cool menu: 90min+60min

It's also interesting that Ewoks got newly synchronized here, when officially released on DVD. I might catch the original synchronization on the next broadcast.

Tell me, what you think of the different opportunities.
If anyone has found any german SW-trailer, please post some info here. It would be cool to have a nice collection on DVD.

Post: #221606
Topic: Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/221606/action/topic#221606
Time: 25-Jun-2006 6:44 AM

russs15 wrote:

I have had a quick look at ebay.de and the VHS sets look to be very reasonable to buy. For audio comparison, you could look at some of those and get the audio only onto your PC to work with. Just a thought.
Yeah, thought about that, too. I got the very first Star Wars [Krieg der Sterne] on Original VHS-Tape, when I was a kid. It is the Full Screen, Silverscreen Edition from ~1990, and has Dolby Stereo Surround. To your all surprise, there is no Episode 4 in the Title, and no "A new Hope" oder "Eine neue Hoffnung", just:

Krieg der Sterne {Star Wars}

Es herrscht Bürgerkrieg... {It is a period of civil war...}

So besides, its Full Screen and maybe Time-compressed (still have to figure out, what that really means), its seams to be the original cinema version in german. Even the very first tv-broadcast in 1990 was without "Episode 4" in the title. Yesterday I read in some german forum, that the subtitle "Episode IV - Eine neue Hoffnung" was not added until 1995 in german. Seems cool to me!

I Just wrote a mail to the private laserdisc collector I talked about. I am sure he has several of those laserdiscs, maybe even all of them.

Grinder wrote:
And don't you think you should include an English track too? It's nice to preserve the audio tracks you grew up with, but you prefer the original audio too right?

There will be at least an DD2.0 English Track onboard. Of course, I prefer the original audio but it seems that it was a long time ago, I watched the unaltered trilogy in german.

Thanks for the many responses.

Update as soon as the laserdisc collector replies.

Post: #221455
Topic: Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/221455/action/topic#221455
Time: 24-Jun-2006 11:19 AM — Edited 5-Aug-2020 10:39 PM

Hi guys!

I am from Austria (Schwarzenegger,Mozart,…) and I would love to help preserving the Original Trilogy in German Language. I have little to none hope, that the Official OUT DVD release will satisfy any real “Star Wars” Fan.

As a sidenote, the Trilogy was once called “Krieg der Sterne” in german.

Until now, no Preservation Project (non-SE) features german audio. I want to change that.

I will concentrate on the audio-track, title-crawl, alien-subtitles and german subtitles. I would like to use the Video from another PAL Project or the OUT-DVD or the X0-Project (NTSC2PAL maybe?). But that step is still far far away from now.

At the moment I have a TBC-1000, a really good capture device called PMS PDI Deluxe (same used by X0-Project), and high quality a/v cables.
A well equipped PC with every software, a student can dream off (CCE SP, DVDMaestro,…).

Still need to get a laserdisc player, borrow or buy a soundcard with digital in, and need to collect all the german laserdisc releases. I know a heavy (private) laserdisc-collector here in vienna, which could be of help here, otherwise I will have to use ebay.

I want to do a clean digital pcm audio capture (not analog) from all the releases. When only analogue audio is avaiable, I want to do a real good analog capture (maybe with 96khz pcm digitizing). I will capture the video as a guidetrack (for syncing) and of course to get the original crawl and alien-subtitles of each release. The alien-subtitles changed from release to release. There were errors in the title-crawl as well, even in the title itsself.

During the project I want to learn a lot about the audio-differences between each laserdisc-release. Seek out the Changes due to the Different-Mixes. Maybe I even find a pitch-preserved version. That would be cool!

The finished project should feature:
*dual layer dvd-r
*widescreen pal video with german title-crawl
*pcm german audio track
*selectable alien-subtitles
*selectable german-subtitle (maybe english also)

If I find different audio-mixes, all will be featured off course, maybe on seperated discs.

It should become the preferable disc if you want to watch Starwars in German!

Laserdisc THX - 1995 CAV German Edition:
Digital PCM Surround Audio, Letterboxed 2.35:1, CAV, THX
http://japanld.free.fr/cover/36701-36800/36798.jpg
http://japanld.free.fr/cover/36701-36800/36799.jpg
http://japanld.free.fr/cover/35101-35200/35197.jpg
http://japanld.free.fr/laserdisc.php?id=36798
http://japanld.free.fr/laserdisc.php?id=36799
http://japanld.free.fr/laserdisc.php?id=35197

Laserdisc - 1993 CLV Silverscreen Edition:
Digital PCM Surround Audio, Letterboxed 2.35:1, CLV, non-THX!
http://japanld.free.fr/cover/33801-33900/33866.jpg
http://japanld.free.fr/cover/34901-35000/34926.jpg
http://japanld.free.fr/cover/34801-34900/34893.jpg
http://japanld.free.fr/laserdisc.php?id=33866
http://japanld.free.fr/laserdisc.php?id=34926
http://japanld.free.fr/laserdisc.php?id=34893

Laserdisc - 1982 - Only “Episode 4” got released:

Analog Stereo Audio, Fullscreen, CLV, CBS-Fox
http://laserdisc.holin.de/laserdisc_deutsch.pdf (5 MB catalog pdf-file)
Video 2000 Tape - ANH Broadcast - 15.3.1990 on channel Sat1
Video 2000 Tape - ESB Broadcast - 1990 on channel Sat1 - Longplay Recording
Video 2000 Tape - ROTJ Broadcast - 1990 on channel Sat1
from the german free-tv broadcast premiere, complete with Intro, broadcast was cropped to 1:85:1 Widescreen, maybe it was even recorded in stereo. i still have the original PAL-V2000 tapes but my “new” v2000-recorder has only fbas out, no longplay, and no stereo.

Are there any more good sources, I forgot about? Of course there are plenty of vhs-releases to check through.

Has anyone here any info on the several releases? In terms of infos about audio mix used, audio quality,…
Does time-compression has any consequense on the length of the film? Does time compressed mean, i can’t sync it to a non-time compressed video-track?

many thanks, r2d2

Post: #112807
Topic: Idea: Working & Releasing the Audiotracks separately?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/112807/action/topic#112807
Time: 7-Jun-2005 4:50 PM

Thanks for the positive feedback so far. I agree, that we should think of something in order to get all the audio releases sync with the video.

For the synchronicity... maybe we could release the PCMs in a divx file, with the whole movie at very low video quality, just for reference. The video could be 200 Mb more, and that's nothing, since we're talking about 1,3 Gb files.

A video as some sort of guide-track sounds good to me. Just needs to be 23.976 / 29.97 / 25 fps. This way, sync problems can be easily found and fixed.

I have recorded the audio from my German VHS (PAL) already but there is some disturbing (digital sounding) noise introduced, probably by the a/d conversion. Maybe I should reduce the recording volume. I will try to fix this.

By the way, I figured out, that Laserdisc PCM Standard is 44,1 khz while DVD PCM Standard is 48 khz (or 96khz). But that shouldn't be a problem as we can record at spdif-in with 48 khz even if the source is 44.1 khz, can't we?

I suggest the following specifications for all the releases:

AVI-FILE (shall be compressed with zip/rar when released)

Sound: WAV Format, PCM - not compressed, 16bit, Stereo, 48 khz equals 187 KB/s
Video: Any good compression Codec, NTSC (29.97 fps or 23.976 fps) or PAL (25 fps), as a reference track for easy sync and easy import in any project. Frames can be really small.
Informations: Source, Digital Transfer / Analog Transfer, any issues, any conversions done to the sound.

Do you think it's possible we release these files at Myspleen?