Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda

Ken, it's nice of you to admit that people here were right all along.  On other forums you have described us as mean... try to keep in mind that there is a difference between "angry" and "mean".  We are angry, and I think we have a right to be.

But in fact, you have even more of a right to be mad than we do....  for all your gushing and praise for LFL, they've rewarded you with a lousy transfer of the OT.

canofhumdingers said:

and my wife didn't know what I meant when I mentioned seeing the real change markers as we left the movie theater recently. She said she's never noticed them in any movie).

I learned about those back when I was in high school, from a Columbo episode!

I think it's George trying to decide which master to use for the blu-ray release of the OT.

All I see is:  "You have been banned from this forum.  Please contact the webmaster or board administrator for more information."

Ugh, barf-o-rama.

Whoa, that picture is impressive.  Does it require a blu ray burner to watch?

I'm not worked up...   <-- note, please read with "i care" luke voice

I am amusedly interested in what could cause such a glitch, since I've never seen one like that before.  I also will be interested to see if the glitch turns up on the actual blu-ray when someone here on this board purchases it.  For instance, now that the word is out, it is entirely possible that LFL will go in last minute and remove the glitch just to mess with us and keep his zombie army rah-rah-ing.  But seriously, now that Harmy's set has come out, the only thing that could get me worked up is if LFL actually restores SW from an original 70mm print.  Now that would be worth getting worked up about.

I agree with Harmy.  Mainly, us geeks just enjoy talking about minutia like this.

DJ, there was a discussion of this in another thread.  The interest in the glitch isn't the glitch itself (I'm quite sure I wouldn't be able to see it), but its usefulness as a fingerprint as to which transfer a particular release is using.  If you'll recall, the various kenkraly's out there have been saying the blu-ray will be a new transfer. Well, the humdinger proves beyond all doubt that it isn't.  That is what is interesting about the glitch... I don't think it's anal at all.

Do you mean official release, or one of the unofficial restorations?  Because there are some restorations discussed on this forum that blow all of the official releases out of the water.

I've figured it out!  George has been using a combination of steganography and subliminal messages in the PT that have successfully brainwashed legions of viewers into becoming hypnotized zombies that support his SE changes. We escaped because we don't like the PT, and therefore haven't watched it enough to become victims.

The humdimger glitch is not an encoding error, but a desperate encoded cry for help from someone in LFL who, in a brief moment of lucidity, hastily inserted a plea to be rescued.  I have decoded the message and it says: "please help, send troops, I am being tortured at Skywalker Sound by being forced to insert George's new effects into... into... blbqwggw... "

Sevb32 said:

I saw some people complaining about quality control (how they missed this frame) earlier, not just that it could be the same transfer.

It is true that the transfer that contains that glitch is indeed worth complaining about, but not because of the glitch!  The glitch is just an identifying mark that proves that the upcoming blu-rays are based on that particular, very poor transfer.

Sevb32 said:

What is it about one frame? Unless you freeze frame it you can't see it! I am betting a lot films have similar flaws they just don't have as many frame by frame obsessive compulsive eyes on them as the Star Wars films do.

Are you just trolling, or do you really not get it?  Nobody cares about the glitch.  The glitch is simply being used to identify which transfer is which.  In this case, it proves which transfer the blu-ray release is based on.

Who's to say they didn't put the new one through the same "faulty" process. None of us ACTUALLY know."

What a total moron.  The chance of a new transfer having such a fault in the exact same frame is statistically zero.

Wow.  Indeed, if the artifact weren't there, it still could have been the 2004 transfers.  But seeing that the artifact IS there, is proof that they are.  What a bunch of pathetic lazy idiots.  Where's kenkraly now?  Oh, maybe they're still going to do the new transfers in August...

If a fan edit / preservation that I want is made using the BD source, then I'll buy the BD set at that time.

Cleaning old film, physically, is easy.  Scratches can be removed with a rank transfer.  It looks like neither was done.  But they still are wonderful.  Better than if they used DNR like the gout.

Ok, the deleted scenes are cool, and I'm glad the scratches and mouse droppings are left in.  A cursory cleaning would do more harm than good.

Don't worry, there will definitely be enough ant trails, bird poops, and mouse droppings to satisfy even the curmudgeonliest afficienado. :)

thorr said:

The other option would be to send Adywan all captures for each reel and have him give suggestions for each captured version of the reel.  Then you could select the best version scene by scene and have consistency amongst the captures scattered throughout the reel, but not use one capture across the entire reel.

Something like that.  I've sent Adywan two captures for the first reel and asked if he can find a single color correction for each reel, and if possible also try and move their color balances to make them as similar as reasonably possible.  In the case of reel 1, the most likely thing is that I'll use mostly one reel, with a few scenes substituted with the alternative capture.  (actually, I also have a third capture to be used only on a couple of relatively extreme brief scenes).

Presuming that goes well, we'll repeat the process for reels 2 and 3.

Moderation will be the order of the day.  Keep in mind that color balance isn't the only consideration when selecting which capture for which scene. There are also the various scratches, wobbles, fuzz balls, and assorted mouse droppings to contend with.

Harmy said:

But I think it would be a nice idea (as someone here already suggested) if one of the sound guys made a nice 5.1 mix that would have all the mono mix sound choices. But I'm definitely not the right guy to attempt something like that.

Yes, that would make a great project.  Oooh, a big project for sure.  Hmmm, maybe after finishing the rest of the OT I can try my hand at a "Puggo Mix".  It could be my excuse to get into 5.1 mixing, which I've been putting off in all my old-school stereo snobbery (rhymes with slobbery).

Harmy, have you ever considered putting the "close the blast doors!" line into the audio track?  I know it's a personal choice, since there are official versions with and without.  The mono version seems the most thorough, and it has it.

doubleofive said:

 

This glitch on the Death Star is in the DVD, HDTV versions, everything using this master. If this glitch is not present on the BD, this may show that there were better transfers done OF the 2004 version. I'm wondering if the glitch was in the file LFL sent over and Lowry didn't see.

 

Couldn't that be an encoding glitch, rather than a transfer glitch?  I've never seen a glitch like it and wouldn't presume it must be present in the transfer master.  Thus, even if that glitch turns out not to be in the BD, that wouldn't prove that it's from a different transfer.

One of the great versions of "Imperial March" is on the Telarc demonstration disc called "Star Tracks".  It has the Cincinnati orchestra directed by Erich Kunzel.  There are some other SW, ST, and Raiders pieces also (including "Luke and Leia").  The sound quality is awesome and the performances true to the originals.  It's probably out of print but easy to find on eBay.

TV's Frink said:

Stormtroopers don't have blue and yellow on their armor.

LA LA LA LA LA DA DA DA DA DA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA DA DA DA DA BA BA BA LA LA LA LA

TV's Frink said:

I've certainly seen a lot more Clone Troopers at Halloween than Jar Jars.

You mean Storm Troopers, right?  I'm trying to remove the neurons in my brain that refer to them as LA LA LA LA LA DA DA DA DA LA LA LA....