timdiggerm said:
Won't ROTP be our highest quality Sebastian-Shaw-ghost source, ...
Yikes, that's sad.
I shudder at the thought of distracting you from your primary mission(s). However, it does occur to me that there is the outside chance that some of the material could be of use to you. Ok, I guess the next stop is PM. Thanks!
It's looking like Adywan won't have time to do the color correction of ROTP. It's perfectly understandable, and I am honored that he did PSB.
I could do the color correction on ROTP myself, but there are surely people here who would do a better job. Is there anyone here that the forum recommends?
It would involve taking the three .avi files (one per reel), and for each one finding a single color adjustment to apply to the entire reel. I'd prefer that, rather than trying to do a scene-by-scene adjustment, because that would preserve the relative color balance of the original 16mm films. This is what Adywan did for PSB.
I just got this imagery in my mind of Leia, played by Carrie Fisher, turning to the dark side, getting all wrinkly like the Emperor, and using force lightning on Luke's son, played by Justin Beiber.
Love it!
By the way, it also occurs to me that "answering lingering questions" is what gave us Yoda-with-tail-in-lightsocket lightsaber duel.
Bingowings said:
We will have to agree to disagree.
Yes, we can agree to disagree. None of the items in your list strike me as fundamental to the story, which is the development of Luke. Han's redemption is a great subplot. None of the other characters develop or change; they are all there in support of Luke's development.
As far as the "unusual-ness" of the worlds, I think Lucas did what he could while still making it look believable. I think he wanted to take the viewer as far away as he could, and make the viewer really believe he was there. As technology improved, he made the worlds increasingly strange while retaining the impact of realism. The cantina, for its time, was extremely bizarre while still being convincing. Star Trek, by contrast, didn't worry about making its worlds convincing... and many of its stories were centered around moral quandries.
I think I already mentioned this, but I like a few things:
Woof, woof!
Bingowings said:
It's a great film but it's not about exploring places.
It's about exploring the networked connections of a small group of people.
You're right that the story isn't about exploring. But in the movie, that is exactly what we the viewers are doing. Indeed there are only a few actual storylines that occur over and over in movies, Star Wars included. I disagree with you though, in that I don't think that the SW storyline has anything to do with exploring the networked connections of people, either. The only relationship of consequence in the movie is between Obi-Wan and Vader.
And I also disagree with you in that I think the story is totally Luke-centric. It was the story of "a boy, a girl, and a universe." At the beginning, Mos Eisley was far away to Luke. The galaxy unfolds for him, and he ends up saving it. That was the heart of the story, not some soap opera with sister and dad.
It was ep. V and VI where things started getting all interrelated.
You have a defined group of characters who come from a stable republic who journey from one savage land to another and we learn more about the crew through how these strange new worlds change them.
That's true in that they aren't exploring just to explore. I should have used the word 'adventure'. The main storyline is that there is this huge galactic thing going on, and a farmboy finds himself at the center of it. It leads to a series of dangerous adventures, and his having to learn quickly. A number of good people help him, and he ends up saving the day. It's an uplifting story of how even the smallest of people can do great things.
It's a classic story. But what made it have such an impact, is that this great story is placed in a huge setting of space, planets, stars, battles, and wildly unimaginable things, realized on the big screen in a thrilling way. The soap opera came later, and it's just my opinion, but I think the sequels should go back to the basics of what made the original movie so great.
Bingowings said:
That's what Star Trek is meant to be for.Exploring an expanding universe.
Star Wars is space opera.
It's conflict focussed on a series of characters who are to some degree related to each other (like real Earth Opera without the singing).
No. The 1-2-3-4-5-6 "saga" is a space opera. More specifically, the 4-5-6 sub-segment is a pretty good space opera, and the 1-2-3 sub-segment is a crappy space opera.
BUT, in my personal opinion, Star Wars (SW-the movie- the movie subsequently known as IV, to use "Prince" lingo) is an expanding universe, told through the eyes of a boy. That's what made it so intriguing. It started becoming an opera in ESB, but it still had the expanding universe feel - particularly with the travel to meet Yoda, the exotic new planets, etc - heck we didn't even revisit Tatooine!
It was the conversion to a full-blown saga/opera when things started falling apart, and ultimately became boring and crappy. Star Wars needs to get back to what made it great.
Ultimate Shield said:
I have a friend that wants to see ESB for the first time but he wants to see the non Lucas humped up version.
Hehe - until now I thought "the deshitified edition" was my favorite name. This may have that one beat.
Seriously, everyone thinks they want their questions answered. Believe me, you don't. The sequels will be terribly disappointing if LFL/Disney continue this practice of grinding away every last detail of the people and places we already know. Do we really want to know the mechanism of the force? How Bespin stays in the air? How long it took for the Falcon to make it to Alderaan? There's no better way to kill all the intrigue than to mire in the details. That's how we end up with monotone senatorial sessions, midichlorians, incomprehensible storylines, naked robots, virgin births, etc.
I seriously hope that the sequels explore new worlds, new alien life forms, new ideas, new characters, new personalities, new spaceships, new weapons, new friends, new wars... in short, expand the universe, stop shrinking it. I want to leave the theater with MORE wonder, not less.
Good movies don't answer questions, they raise questions.
yoda-sama said:
I fully remember that, but I also acknowledge that I grew up with the home video releases and am fully accustomed to the re-addition of Episode IV to the title (which Fox originally made them remove to, understandably, eliminate confusion; though makes it a legitimate "original vision").
You're missing the point. The cover art clearly says "ORIGINAL THEATRICAL" on it. Well, "ep.IV A New Hope" was NOT on the original theatrical release. So it is absolutely NOT correct to have those two phrases together on anything, regardless of what anyone "likes".
Jeez, you guys just got me to visit that site again - now my sides hurt from laughing so hard.
Those pictures are awesome.
KoolGuy7 said:
Harmy you're still the number one choice for theatrical cut of Star Wars according to this first comment on this recent reddit post
http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/19thq8/can_we_petition_disney_to_release_the_original/
The best post on that thread was someone who said that Disney should produce a special edition of the prequels, and call it the "Deshitified Edition".
michaelkirschner said:
What we could do is record the commentary of us watching the AVCHD version of 2.1 once that gets released and then send the file to Harmy for him to incorporate into the 2.1 Blu-ray special features
As long as I get to say "close the blast doors!" :)
I too have been holding out for 2.1 - my fiance has never seen SW(!) and I am looking forward to her inaugural experience to be this one.
Harmy, I hope that you will consider doing a commentary track. Even if all you do is blather randomly in real time, with occasional remarks of "I removed a bunch of crap here", or "I recomposited this", I think you understimate how interesting that would be to those of us who have been following this thread religiously for so long. You could also remark about what was hard to fix, and what was easy to fix. Or, what source you used to fix each scene. Or, your thoughts on technical aspects of particular scenes after having worked so closely on them. By now you probably know more about the nuts and bolts of the film than George does - your insights and observations are valued.
I don't think Harmy should be expected to produce step-by-step guides for how to burn discs. He is doing enough work as it is doing the restorations. Once his 2.1 is finalized, others can produce step-by-step guides in a separate thread. All these how-do-I-do-this-and-that is cluttering this thread terribly.
OK - my problem wasn't the limit on # of hops, but that for some reason my isp defaulted traceroute to showing the numbers rather than the names. Tried it on a different server and it worked.
The telnet thing was very cool, but the traceroute didn't work for me. Is it because my isp limited the hops to 30?
I have PhotoDroid's tape now and will start a new thread after I've had a look at it. Any suggestions for the name of the project? I think "Shea'79 bootleg" sounds nice.
People need to understand that this is first and foremost a restoration/preservation project - not a distribution project. It is amazing that it is as easily obtainable as it is.
Ah, true -- R2's work was more along the lines of the folks who grabbed the enigma off the sub and then transported it back to Bletchley. The analogy still holds, though.