Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda

TV’s Frink said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

TV’s Frink said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

The fact that she is digging in her heels over this has caused her to lose my vote. And seeing left-leaning media outlets still defending her on this is equally disturbing. Actual native Americans must be rolling their eyes.

Which vote of yours did she lose?

Assuming she runs for president, that one.

So the primary? Or the general?

I am hopeful that the dems will come up with some decent alternatives, so I was thinking of the primary. As for the general - if it’s her versus the Donald, then I guess I’d have to admit that I’d have to vote for her. But wouldn’t it be nice if the dems could find someone that people didn’t have to reluctantly vote for - as was the case for many people who voted for Hillary Clinton?

To follow-up… I can certainly understand someone deciding it’s no big deal (Warren’s questionable claims of NA heritage). But I REALLY don’t understand certain media outlets heralding that these latest DNA results prove that she was right, because they most certainly do not. Quite the contrary.

I hate left-leaning fake stuff even worse than right-leaning fake stuff, because I would like to think that the left holds itself to a higher standard.

moviefreakedmind said:
Personally I think it’s embarrassing to not vote for one of the few anti-corruption Democrats over something this pointless and irrelevant.

I don’t consider it irrelevant. Right now, the Republicans are systematically removing many native Americans from being able to vote. Identifying protected classes, collecting data, securing funding, and then helping those who have been disadvantaged by their demographic is a hallmark of democratic ideals, and takes decades of effort. Warren has made a mockery of it, or at least minimized it and made it a target, by her actions.

I suspect that this whole thing started some time when she was very young. Growing up, my grandmother used to tell me that her grandmother was a squaw named “Hawk”. I thought that was kinda cool (plus my dad and I were in the “Indian Guides”), so I could imagine some 8th grader filling out a demographic questionnaire for the first time, and deciding to be proud of such a “heritage”, and marking the bubble for “native american”. In her case, it seems to have taken on a life of its own. Maybe at some point she got some perk from it? I don’t know, but if she were to become a candidate, the right will make her AND such programs a laughing stock over it. Or, worse yet, that this is an example of the broader democrat hypocrisy and lies.

A long time ago she should have said ok, I did that when I was younger, sorry, and dropped it before it became a thing. She could have even used these test results to say sorry, I was mistaken. That she apparently can’t, is not a great personal trait. But then again, maybe it is… the Donald insists that “deny, deny” is the best strategy, and it seems to work for him.

TV’s Frink said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

The fact that she is digging in her heels over this has caused her to lose my vote. And seeing left-leaning media outlets still defending her on this is equally disturbing. Actual native Americans must be rolling their eyes.

Which vote of yours did she lose?

Assuming she runs for president, that one.

Although I’m a very liberal democrat who generally supports Warren’s views, I find her ongoing claim of having Native American heritage to be an embarrassment at best, and outright fraud at worst. Six-to-ten generations back? Give me a break! Nearly everyone who has ancestors in North America can make that claim WITH substantiation from Ancestry.com. It sounds like she has LESS N.A. blood than the average American. She needs to drop it and apologize. Efforts towards equal opportunity are severely damaged when people - especially those for whom they were not intended - lie and abuse them.

The fact that she is digging in her heels over this has caused her to lose my vote. And seeing left-leaning media outlets still defending her on this is equally disturbing. Actual native Americans must be rolling their eyes.

moviefreakedmind said:
I’m paranoid. I wouldn’t be surprised if some douchebag sitting next to me decided to throw a punch at me in honor of the flag.

Especially since Trump has already said he would pay the legal fees for people using violence towards such aims.

Mrebo said:
To answer Frank seriously, if a long-established show returned to the air with committed Christian showrunners and they announced the star character was going to convert to Christianity, I bet you many people would be offended by the pereceived Christian agenda.

That is a terrible analogy. Being Christian is a philosophical choice. Being a female isn’t. Thus, having the doctor convert to Christianity would mean the show was making a social statement, by associating the wise sage with Christianity. By contrast, for decades many Who fans have mused whether it might be fun/interesting if the doctor were a woman. Totally different scenario.

Other examples (similar to the doctor being a woman) would be if the doctor were: black, Asian, overweight, blind, some other non-humanoid species, etc.

Other examples (like yours) would be if the doctor were: Democrat, Republican, Nazi, Jewish, Pastaferian, etc.

See the difference? That’s why screaming “feminist agenda!” every time someone brings up something good about a woman gets tiresome after a while. It ascribes philosophical choice to something that is a simple biological trait for half of the human population.

I too was expecting some sort of reaction. That fan-made series with the woman doctor by Rian Johnson had a nice reaction, where she is saying “something’s not right”, then catches sight of her reflection in a window while walking down the street… “Oh no! it’s all wrong!”

Yep, that whole River Song arc was one of the lugubrious quagmires.

Jay said:
It’s only Trump’s delivery that makes him different.

Really?!

I suppose my statement only applies to relatively well-meaning people. An intelligent person could presumably choose to vote for Trump even if they believe that Trump is a harmful idiot, if he/she thought that regardless of that, Trump’s presence would result in a personal benefit to themself.

In theory, if someone is saying idiotic things, the best defense is to just let the person spew their rubbish for everyone to see. For some reason, that approach doesn’t seem to be work against Trump. I acknowledge that it is possible that there is something fundamentally wrong with my brain, and in actuality he and his minions are correct and I just can’t see it.

I don’t see the objection to USAT including both. Running the president’s claims is simply reporting what an important, powerful figure is doing. Given their usual conservative slant (although not crazy-ass, like Fox), I’m actually impressed that they ran such a substantive rebuttal.

After reading Trump’s claims, I’m even more amazed anyone would vote for him. It should be totally laughable to anyone with even a modicum of intelligence. But a lot of Americans love him. We’re doomed… and not just by Trump. If Americans would elect Trump for president, imagine who/what else they’ll be voting for in the years to come.

Actually I meant “gooey”. An intended metaphor for some sort of overly-complicated, lugubrious quagmire in which the stories get bogged down.

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I for one am very glad to see a complete reboot.

A compete reboot? I haven’t heard that is what they were doing. I am pretty sure the rest of the continuity still counts. I for one would not want to see over 50 years of Dr. Who thrown into the trash.

Sorry for being unclear – I guess I meant partial reboot. The series was getting gooey.

I for one am very glad to see a complete reboot. And I hope they can stick with this current approach… very refreshing!

Glad you enjoyed it Warbler. Did you notice any feminist agenda messages you were fearing the show would be laden with?

Hehe, in the old series, stories would be spread over several weeks.

Actually, I thought that Capaldi’s final season included a few excellent episodes.

We’ve been down this road before.

Where I was, BBCA showed the credits, but they were in a tiny tiny window in the corner, with no sound, and so fast that there was no possible way one could read them.

What I assume was an otherwise cliffhanger ending was totally ruined by the sudden cutaway to some pumped-up insert, followed by a total lack of clarity that the episode was over. By the time I happened to notice that credits were running in the corner, a lot of time had passed and I assumed I had missed something.

Basically, the episode was great, while the presentation of it by BBCA was pretty awful. When you can’t even tell what you are watching at any given moment - the show, or an ad, or a get-together, and you can’t tell if the people on the screen are BBCA guests or if they are extras in the episode… it’s a mess. I hope it’s not like this every episode.

A report by the Trump administration admits that climate change is real and that it will be catastrophic by the end of this century. However, rather than using that as a basis for action, they are using it as a basis for inaction, under the assumption that to do anything would be futile:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-administration-sees-a-7-degree-rise-in-global-temperatures-by-2100/2018/09/27/b9c6fada-bb45-11e8-bdc0-90f81cc58c5d_story.html?utm_term=.0833af276ce0

Specifically, they are using it as justification for rescinding emission standards! This was also reported by NPR a couple of weeks ago. Appalling.

Awesome, then I didn’t miss anything. Thanks!!

I really liked the accents too.

Quick question… I don’t know if it was the same everywhere, but where I was there were SO many interruptions, ads, interviews, sneak previews, etc., that there were times when I wasn’t entirely sure if I was watching the show or something else. This was particularly the case at the very end, where the snippets of the show were so short and so interrupted that I wasn’t sure exactly what happened, and whether or not I missed something before the credits rolled.

So, what exactly was the final scene? Yes I know that would be spoiler - so perhaps someone can figure out how to hide it or put it in a strategically-placed spoiler alert? Thanks.

Just watched the premiere. Enjoyed it a lot – it seemed like classic Who. Whitaker’s doctor seemed closest to Tenant’s in style, it looked like she even copied some of his mannerisms. I might prefer it a bit less frenetic, and more relaxed Tom Baker-style. But these days it seems frenetic is the order of the day. But her character has nice potential, for a first episode it was encouraging.

The story and writing were excellent, and the villain was very much in the spirit of Who villains. It didn’t devolve into overly-dramatic pablum, just stuck with quirky sci-fy. That’s a big plus in my book.

Didn’t like the color palette at all. Too much overblown yellows. I don’t understand why they always tinker with the color so much until it becomes unrealistic and hard on the eyes.

And for Warbler, I didn’t notice even the slightest pandering to feminism. Not even one line. It was just a Who story.

The constant cutaways, ads, and extras were extremely annoying. I’m glad I was able to fast-forward through them.

My favorite line – “I’m good at building things… probably.”