Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda

I keep expecting to hear "wipe out!" at the end.

cap said:

Fortunately, Adywan has given us back the (almost exactly) original version of ESB and an (almost universally seen as) improved version of ANH, with an improved version of ESB on the way.

Er, no.  The reason for preserving the original movies is not because they were "better" than the more recent versions (either George's or Ady's).  The reason is because they are a part of film history, and represent the state-of-the-art for special effects (and other things such as editing) that won the relevent Academy Awards in 1977. Making a better version is cool, and making a worse version kinda sucks, but neither is relevant to why we are here.

Also, as much as I enjoy Adywan's edit, I still prefer the original.  That's not relevent to my point, but it does relate to one of yours.

JediTray said:

Has this been completed, Puggo?  If so, can someone PM me the info?

Not yet.  The restoration is done, but I'm waiting for something in the mail that might make a good extra.

I am also being ignored by JT34.  Maybe he doesn't understand Swedish :)

generalfrevious said:

I definitely think that Lucas is repressing history and that he should be opposed. The problem here is that no else here realizes that we as a whole are nothing more than a fringe group, thrown into the dustbin of history.

George won't live forever.  Our job is to continue to raise awareness so that the issue isn't forgotten, so that when that day comes that George is no longer the one in control, real change can happen.

The first story on your "news" link (about the use of an SE shot to illustrate an example of the innovations made in SW in 1977), reminded me of something that I heard on the radio about 2 years ago.

It was on the Mike O'Meara show.  They were discussing how they had watched all 6 shows of the trilogy, and how the older effects didn't measure up to the new effects.  And the example they used of a bad effect in the original 1977 trilogy was -- the Jabba scene in ANH!!!!!

Tobar said:

Just saw this article and knew I had to share it with you guys. Thoughts?

Misses the point entirely.

pittrek said:

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That's proof that the PT folks are nuts.

My personal opinion is that watching them together is pointless.  The OT is so significantly better, than including the PT in with the OT just adds a bunch of needless crap.  I'd recommend watching each trilogy separately, separated by at least a week.  That way, the PT won't damage one's enjoyment of the OT, and the PT can be enjoyed in its own separate way - as a bunch of kinda cool eye candy.

Watching them together is like eating a dinner that has both sushi and dog food.  The dog food is likely to make it a little hard to enjoy the sushi.

LexX said:

How about Puggå <- Swedish 'o'

Oh, that's clever!

By the time it's done, it may be more aptly named "Puggo Internationale", or "Puggo Europa".

Ripplin said:

^Hey, you can risk jail time on your own, pal. Your request would require some serious breaking and entering! ;)

Yeah, he can't have my baseball cards :)

Seriously, just so some of the old-timers here know, I don't distribute my preservations... I don't torrent stuff for example.  But I get a lot of requests. So I sometimes suggest to people that they can try asking here.  I hope that's ok.

Geez, you could probably buy a pristine 70mm print of the movie for less than that.

kenkraly2007 said:

Thanks for the info none and I do think the blu-rays will indeed be fixed.

I was going to quote none's memorable diatribe as "post-of-the-year", but kenkraly's response surely must win that honor!

Brief delay finishing this up, as I have just acquired a possible new extra.  It will be a couple of weeks before I know if I'll include it or not.  Also still have to finish one tiny glitch in reel 1.

kenkraly2007 said:

puggo jar jar I just belive this time around LFL will correct their mistakes.

But wouldn't they have to see them as mistakes, and then want to fix them? Publicly they have said they weren't mistakes, so do you think that secretly they actually do agree with us that they were mistakes?

kenkraly2007 said:

 

I do belive that the colors will be fixed as well. Their is a beleaf by some people that the colors won't be fixed.  The Colors can be fixed LFL will get it done this time around.

I am curious why you think this.  Lucas has stated very clearly that the color changes were not a mistake, but that they were intentional.  We might consider them mistakes, but he considers them to be improvements. So why would he want to change them back?

xhonzi said:

Eh... I don't mean to brag or anything... but on my home equipment... the GOUT is not watchable.

I agree with you. However, have you tried DarkJedi's version?  I have a 58" plasma, and the GOUT is indeed unwatchable. But DarkJedi's looks pretty darned good.

kenkraly2007 said:

What if they are fixed?

That would be great.  But you didn't ask that... you asked if we thought they would be fixed.  I answered that I think that they won't.  If it turns out that I am wrong, then that would make me happy.

With every single release, it gets worse.  So, all evidence points to things continuing in that direction.

oops... repeat post, sorry.

Rattlehead said:

With all due respect, I wasn't aware that I had to provide credentials.  I thought that a desire to preserve the OUT would be enough.  Actually, Puggo, you're one person I would like to talk to in particular.

First, I've never been to Star Tours, would love to go someday, and if I went would be more than thrilled to meet anyone and everyone from this forum or elsewhere, regardless of credentials.

But go back and look at your original post, particularly the title.  "SERIOUS preservationists ONLY".  Regardless of what you intended, the content made it sound like you were convening a special summit meeting of the world's top experts for a big project.  It set a very particular tone.  Actually, I was intrigued.  Does he have a 70mm print?  Is he an LFL insider scuttling a hard drive out of Skywalker Ranch?  Is he a 12-year-old kid wanting to get Adywan's autograph?  Is this a sting? Should I give this guy my phone number?

It would be as if some random person (say, "John Smith") went on a rock guitar forum, and posted "GRAMMY WINNING guitarists ONLY", and proposed that the biggest superstars meet with him at the Tapas bar.  The first things anyone on there is going to say is "why are we meeting?" and "who is John Smith?"

Just about everyone on this forum is serious about preserving the original trilogy.  Perhaps if you had just said "hey, I'll be at Star Tours next week and would love to meet up with some of you guys in person... PM me and I'll send you my cell number"... it might have sounded a little less, er, grandiose?

Bobby Jay said:

Here's a rebuttal, endorsed by the official sw.com Twitter account

http://www.bigshinyrobot.com/reviews/archives/17765

Some people just don't get it.

Actually, the rebuttal is mostly true.  This is what I said about the CNN article missing the point.  When ineffective arguments are made supporting our side, it ends up being more fodder for GL and others to make us look bad.

We have to be very careful exactly what we say and how we say it.

It's great to see something like this on CNN... but it kinda misses the main point.

Baronlando said:

With the 2004 version of Star Wars in the 1977 slot.

That's pathetic.