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#1226735
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Your letters highlight that you have no idea what really happened.

that is correct, I don’t know what happened. No one does, yet the media(at least the local news that I was watching) acts like it does know what happened and that what happened was racism.

Wouldn’t that be a justification for writing to the media, rather than writing to the people in the story? Maybe I’m missing something.

I suppose I could have written to the media. I just decided to write the people involved.

btw, you do understand I didn’t really send them letters, right?

You asked for opinions regarding your letters, I gave mine. Whether you actually sent them or not, wouldn’t affect my opinion of their content.

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#1226724
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Your letters highlight that you have no idea what really happened.

that is correct, I don’t know what happened. No one does, yet the media(at least the local news that I was watching) acts like it does know what happened and that what happened was racism.

Wouldn’t that be a justification for writing to the media, rather than writing to the people in the story? Maybe I’m missing something.

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#1226681
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The Something Political Thread (Was: Random Political Thoughts)
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Another example might be if I found some sort of native headdress in a thrift store, and decided to wear it to the prom. Suppose it turns out that this particular headdress was worn only during a particular private right-of-passage ceremony that was considered significant among Native American tribes. If a Native American were also at the prom, my wearing it there in that context would send the message to that person that either (1) I didn’t bother to learn anything about the culture or its headdress I was wearing, and whether my wearing it in this context might be inappropriate, or (2) I did know about it, and didn’t care. In either case, it would show a certain degree of insensitivity.

That said, the Chinese dress thing never seemed to me to fit into this category. My wife is Chinese, and they wear these dresses whenever they feel like it - they don’t have any particular significance that I have been able to discern. They’re also quite flattering and I’m sure would look fantastic on any reasonably shaped woman.

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#1226671
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The Something Political Thread (Was: Random Political Thoughts)
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While I generally agree, I could imagine extreme cases where it could reasonably be considered insulting. For example, suppose I went to school and taught my classes dressed as a priest. Or the Pope. Not being either, I would expect some Catholic students to find that offensive.

As usual, it shouldn’t be a question of “is it right” or “is it wrong”, but rather where is a reasonable place to draw the line. (actually, I think most political/cultural arguments could be handled a lot more amicably if people approached them this way)

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#1226463
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Where does the US Democratic Party go from here?
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Sanders reminded me of McGovern. Great guy, actual platform with policies and ideas, actually could move America to a better future. And a sitting duck for right wing hysteria.

On the other hand, now that the republican party has done a 180 and is solidly pro-Russia and anti-NATO, maybe a full-on Communist should run. Things have just gotten that bizarre.

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#1226442
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Where does the US Democratic Party go from here?
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moviefreakedmind said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t think that those would have stuck in the Rust Belt, and Bernie did a good job of deflecting those attacks anyway since he actually embraced the socialist label. Attacks like those working, by the way, are perfect examples of why I think the voting population needs to decrease. And I don’t think “snowflake” and “SJW” and that shit had much of an impact outside of internet subcultures. I bet your average voter was unfamiliar with that.

My conservative friends were calling ME those names. They stuck VERY effectively, not just on social media.

Like I said, some people shouldn’t vote. Be like me and have no friends and hold nothing but contempt for your fellow man. Then you won’t have any friends to call you socialist or commie. And by the way, who cares what conservatives would’ve thought? They were going to vote for Trump anyway. I don’t think anyone won over by the 1950s-style cries of communist! are going to be voting for any Democrats.

I think it’s more subtle than that. My father was a celebrated high school world history teacher, and he voted for Trump. He got roped in by Fox and bought into all the conspiracy theories. One of my best friends who travels all over the world and has a highly successful business voted for Trump. Both of them were hippies! And yet both of them were pretty much spouting Trump slogans - the friend still is (Dad isn’t because he passed away).

There was a landmark 1957 book “Hidden Persuaders”, that explained how psychology research revolutionized advertising. It applies directly to modern politics. In general, people are not persuaded by logic, facts, evidence, arguments, etc. Only ONE thing is effective in advertising, namely, how does the viewer FEEL when they watch an advertisement. In my opinion this is why Trump succeeded. Dramatically simplifying issues makes a lot of people feel good, and indeed, it doesn’t seem to matter in the least when it turns out to be utter poppycock.

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#1226427
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Where does the US Democratic Party go from here?
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moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t think that those would have stuck in the Rust Belt, and Bernie did a good job of deflecting those attacks anyway since he actually embraced the socialist label. Attacks like those working, by the way, are perfect examples of why I think the voting population needs to decrease. And I don’t think “snowflake” and “SJW” and that shit had much of an impact outside of internet subcultures. I bet your average voter was unfamiliar with that.

My conservative friends were calling ME those names. They stuck VERY effectively, not just on social media.

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#1226417
Topic
Where does the US Democratic Party go from here?
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I doubt that Bernie would have defeated Trump. The demographic favored in the electoral college system is extremely vulnerable to negative campaigning on labels such as “socialist!”, “commie!”, “snowflake!”, and Trump would have had a much easier time making those stick to Bernie than to Hillary (rightly or wrongly).

I honestly don’t know what the democrats should do. I think they will need someone with great charisma - you need it to survive a smear campaign. And I think it’s going to become increasingly important in the modern age of social media.

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#1226394
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Where does the US Democratic Party go from here?
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As long as the following problems persist:

  • Citizens United (i.e., campaign finance)
  • gerrymandering
  • Russian social media bots
  • electoral college

it probably won’t matter what the Democrats do. It’s a circus right now and it seems that the majority of voters are unable to navigate the chaos. Real issues are unlikely to play a role - branding is probably the best approach.

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#1226244
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Mrebo said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

There is no comparing Obama’s relationship with Russia versus Trump’s. They are in a completely different league. Obama never publicly called on Russia to hack into an opponent’s system.

Neither did Trump, to be accurate. At the time of Trump’s statement the server was wiped but believed to have been hacked before that point.

Accordingly the NYT, at the time, described Trump as saying that “he hoped Russian intelligence services had successfully hacked Hillary Clinton’s email, and encouraged them to publish whatever they may have stolen.”

Notice use of the past tense. Also the DNC also had already been hacked at that point.

Trump’s comments were inappropriate and encouraging of bad behavior by foreign adversaries, but it was understood, at the time, that he was asking for release of materials already presumed stolen because of negligence by Clinton.

Now that the context is forgotten, the NYT claims, “Donald J. Trump made a direct appeal to Russia to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails and make them public.”

So now we’ve shifted to a future request for hacking, rather than a request to publish what was already hacked, only because people are ignoring the context.

Trump clearly said, and I quote: “Russia, I hope you’re able to find” Hillary’s emails. I remember seeing the interview live at the time, and couldn’t believe a candidate could talk like this and not be run out of town. It’s up for posterity on the BBC channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b71f2eYdTc

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#1226206
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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There is no comparing Obama’s relationship with Russia versus Trump’s. They are in a completely different league. Obama never publicly called on Russia to hack into an opponent’s system. Obama didn’t have the depth of business ties. And Obama most certainly never openly trusted Putin’s word over his own intel.

If you want hypocrisy, look no further than Fox News’ vitriol when Obama floated the idea of meeting with North Korea.

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#1225897
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World Cup 2018
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Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

The problem with a play-till-you-win match, is if it isn’t a final, it could ruin the final. Just look at Wimbledon… after that marathon Mahut-Isner match, Isner could barely play the next match. Now I hope I’m proven wrong, but there is every likelihood that this recent marathon Anderson-Isner semifinal is just as likely to have ruined the final.

Surely they could set things up so that is a full day’s rest between the semifinal and final.

One day’s rest is insufficient recovery time after an 11-hour match. (that was the length of the Mahut-Isner match)

What are the odds a soccer game would go for 11 hours?

I’d guess about the same odds as for a tennis match.

Having said that, I’ve always thought there should be better ways than penalty kicks. What about reducing the number players on each team by 1 (or 2), at each 10 minutes of overtime play?

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#1225886
Topic
World Cup 2018
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Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

The problem with a play-till-you-win match, is if it isn’t a final, it could ruin the final. Just look at Wimbledon… after that marathon Mahut-Isner match, Isner could barely play the next match. Now I hope I’m proven wrong, but there is every likelihood that this recent marathon Anderson-Isner semifinal is just as likely to have ruined the final.

Surely they could set things up so that is a full day’s rest between the semifinal and final.

One day’s rest is insufficient recovery time after an 11-hour match. (that was the length of the Mahut-Isner match)

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#1225854
Topic
World Cup 2018
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The problem with a play-till-you-win match, is if it isn’t a final, it could ruin the final. Just look at Wimbledon… after that marathon Mahut-Isner match, Isner could barely play the next match. Now I hope I’m proven wrong, but there is every likelihood that this recent marathon Anderson-Isner semifinal is just as likely to have ruined the final.