Let me try that link again to the comparison shots:
http://www.uloz.to/22762346/compar-v1-vs-v2-rar
Trooperman said:
^^ I am convinced that the scene with Obi-Wan was intentionally blown out that way.
If you notice, the part before Obi-Wan comes, which is in the same location, has normal colors.
It's precisely when Obi-Wan appears that the frame turns white.
For home video, they were probably trying to correct everything to "normal" and so they saw these blown out whites as a mistake and regraded it to match the part that had come before.
That may indeed be the case. It does look blown out but as you said it may very well be how they intended it to look.
canofhumdingers said:
Oldfan said:
I was just looking at the comparison shots posted between v1 and v2. Many of the shots actually look like the black levels are totally crushed - like take a look at the shots of the Millennium Falcon docked on the Death Star (shots 72 & 73, 80 & 81) - tons of detail is just gone, lost in shadow, and in shots 80 & 81 the door on the left in the background is almost impossible to see. And in the shot of Obi-Wan early on (shots 22 and 23), the v1 looks nice but v2 is totally blown out, with all detail in the background completely lost in a sea of white, and the colors look terrible compared to v1.
Is this just unavoidable due to the different sources used for v2? I don't mean this to sound like a criticism, I'm just curious why such a difference in quality- to my eyes many of the v1 shots have more background visible, even though the v2 are clearly sharper. In those shots, is this just how it looked originally, and we're just used to seeing tweaked versions over the years, or are those shots just due to limited available sources? It seems in the shots I mentioned above, v1 looks far better overall.
What comparison screenshots are you looking at? I haven't seen any posted. I haven't gotten to watch the whole thing yet, but I have skimmed through and I think v2 looks night & day better than v1. The blacks were not NEARLY as crushed. And the colors were far better. Now, regarding the brightness of the introduction to Obiwan, that has received a fair bit of attention from people who feel it is too bright. But Harmy was provided access to a 1977 technicolor dye-transfer print to use as a color reference and that is apparently what the scene looked like, odd or blown out as it may be. Being able to use the dye-transfer as a color reference is a huge deal b/c those prints do not fade (or fade VERY little) and so what we're seeing is probably the closest to the original colors anyone has seen since the original theatrical release. And they are QUITE different than we're used to seeing in the many official home video releases.
This was posted elsewhere.
I wan't criticizing. In fact, I even said in my post, "I don't mean this to sound like a criticism". I was simply asking because there was such a drastic difference between versions, and since both v1 and v2 aimed to recreate the original theatrical version as close as possible, I was curious why the 2 versions seemed so different in some shots.
Sorry if it came off as a complaint - it wasn't meant to be by any means. Just genuinely curious. Indeed it looks like perhaps with some shots the original timing could have been improved. If this is how it was originally projected then by all means this is how it should look for this project.
Oh funny, I was typing my last post just as you wee answering me from my other post. I guess then we're not sure what it is. I was hoping it was the fixed audio but clearly that's not the case. Like you said there's no .nfo so there's no telling what it could be.
EDIT: I just downloaded the first part to see what it is and upon opening it I can see it's a VIDEO_TS folder so I guess this will be a DVD. Oh well. I've got the mkv I'm just waiting for a fixed 5.1 track.
Can somebody tell me what file "Harmy_DeEd_v2_h_h_5.1_fixed" is? I was thinking it was for the fixed AC3 5.1 track only but it's already over 4GB so I'm thinking that's not the case. Is this a full upload of the mkv again or the blu-ray?
delusions_of_grandeur said:
Oldfan said:
But then we're getting a lesser quality mkv by creating an mkv from the AVCHD unlike this where the mkv is higher quality. Why the hate for mkv? It's the perfect format for viewing on media players. Myself I want to watch this on my HDTV and the mkv can easily play on either my media players or my blu-ray player which supports mkv or even my tv itself which also plays mkv.
Then create it from the Blu-Ray instead of the AVCHD....
Right, except then we have to download a full blu-ray and do the conversion, where for this I just had to download the MKV, which has excellent quality yet I don't have to download the huge blu-ray. The mkv is the perfect compromise between quality and file size - much smaller than the blu-ray yet very close in quality. The whole point is many will not want to download a full blu-ray when the mkv would do fine. I don't even have a blu-ray burner so I'd have to download the blu-ray just to convert it and then delete it.
I was just looking at the comparison shots posted between v1 and v2. Many of the shots actually look like the black levels are totally crushed - like take a look at the shots of the Millennium Falcon docked on the Death Star (shots 72 & 73, 80 & 81) - tons of detail is just gone, lost in shadow, and in shots 80 & 81 the door on the left in the background is almost impossible to see. And in the shot of Obi-Wan early on (shots 22 and 23), the v1 looks nice but v2 is totally blown out, with all detail in the background completely lost in a sea of white, and the colors look terrible compared to v1.
Is this just unavoidable due to the different sources used for v2? I don't mean this to sound like a criticism, I'm just curious why such a difference in quality- to my eyes many of the v1 shots have more background visible, even though the v2 are clearly sharper. In those shots, is this just how it looked originally, and we're just used to seeing tweaked versions over the years, or are those shots just due to limited available sources? It seems in the shots I mentioned above, v1 looks far better overall.
Harmy said:
Yeah, that's the idea behind taking it down eventually, I don't intend to do MKV for the other two. If someone specifically needs the MKV format, they can always remux the AVCHD's or BD's m2ts file to MKV and otherwise thinking back, it seems to have been pointless to rush out the MKV when the BD will be using the same stream and the AVCHD looks very good (personally, I can't tell the difference between the MKV and AVCHD).
But then we're getting a lesser quality mkv by creating an mkv from the AVCHD unlike this where the mkv is higher quality. Why the hate for mkv? It's the perfect format for viewing on media players. Myself I want to watch this on my HDTV and the mkv can easily play on either my media players or my blu-ray player which supports mkv or even my tv itself which also plays mkv.
timdiggerm said:
Harmy said:
It's up to you guys if you want to reupload it but I'd like for the MKV to be taken down when the BD is out.
I'd prefer otherwise. For folks moving in all-digital realm, the MKV takes up less space and doesn't pretend to be physical.
Very much agreed. Why nuke the mkv? The mkv is perfect or those of us with media players, and there's nothing wrong with the mkv other than the audio which can be easily muxed in. It seems a shame to nuke it when it's the preferred format by many of us.
Thanks for answering my questions about the confusion.
I take it then that "Harmy_DeEd_v2_h_h_5.1_fixed" is the new fixed 5.1 audio track? It looks like it's still being uploaded if that's the track I want.
I guess it sounds like I want the new 640 track for the MKV then? Is that available yet?
EDIT: Well it looks like it's showing up on a.b.sw but it's not complete yet. Is that the correct file?
And does this: Fixed_DeEdv2.0
already include the corrected German and Spanish Soundtracks?
I'm very confused at this point so forgive me for asking this. Is the v2.0 MKV (the 15GB version) only affected by the German and Spanish soundtracks out-of-sync, or is the MKV also affected by other audio issues? I hear other issues are being discussed but I'm not clear if it affects just the AVCHD ot the MKV also.
The link for this seems to be down. Any chance of it getting reposted?
Glad to hear it's not dead but too bad it won't be ready this year. Well something to look forward to next year I guess. Don't give up!
Bingowings said:
Changing Adywan to AD1 will make little if any noticeable difference (Sci-Fi to SyFy).
See-Threepio and C3PO are still the same characters and besides you are still the eye of the tornado.
You are the originator of the enterprise.
It's your work that got other people to volunteer to help and maybe get a bit overwrought when they don't get to play on your team. You are still doing the bulk of that work.
Adywan isn't your name anyway but it is a recognisable symbol for what you are trying to do. If someone finds an old article about Revisited, Adywan is the search term they will use to find out more.
If you start adjusting it to AD1 some people may not being able to find what you have done and if you keep your current screen name in articles to keep the search option open what's the point of the name change?
Personally I'd keep the name the way it is.
Maybe add Associates or something like it to the 'brand' to highlight that it isn't just you.
Besides you shouldn't propagate the illusion of professionalism.
You are an amateur in the true sense of the word.
You do what you do out of love of the craft and not for money.
You should wear that badge with pride especially in these greedy times.
Maybe United Amateurs would work as a satire of that other UA.
Nicely said there!
Regarding the recent talk of matte vs glossy helmets, I always personally liked the matte look in the first film myself. It seemed more like Vader was a warrior first and foremost, and has a bit of aging and battle scars on the armor to show it. In Empire and Jedi it looks like he never leaves his meditation chamber without getting out the shoe polish first.
ray_afraid said:
GeoMFilms said:
I'm not seeing the 'rip'. I know its a puppet but I'm use to it.
It dosen't rip, but the fabric the puppet is made from ripples as it rolls over the crater edge. It's never really bothered me, I just see it as the creatures loose skin. But I'm pretty sure Ady had some plans for this..
Personally, I find this extremely trivial, and virtually unnoticeable. It could easily just be the worm's skin that ripples. Lots of Earth animals have somewhat loose skin in some areas that can be flabby (like people).
ray_afraid said:
"Two fighters against a Stardestroyer?"
Any chance this line will be re-dubbed for Revisited? The actors reading is so casual and monotone he actually sounds bored instead of worried. I've tried it with my own voice giving the line a bit of a sarcastic chuckle (matches his facial expression) and I think it really works well.
Talk about nitpicking. This was brought up quite a while ago if I remember correctly. I just don't understand why some people in here have an issue with this line. There's nothing wrong with that line and it has never bothered me. I can't imagine Adywan changing a perfectly good line for no apparent reason. His delivery was just right - questioning and doubtful, which was an appropriate reaction someone might have when being briefed in that scene.
Blu-ray is most certainly not on its way out. And with more and more cable companies instituting download caps, if anything streaming might drop as more people find it so easy to hit their caps with streaming. And I didn't just buy a 55" plasma so I can watch streaming. Different people have different goals in mind - for some, streaming is convenient. For many, blu-ray is the way to go for quality. Also, streaming doesn't offer alternate/deleted scenes/commentaries/making of documentaries, etc.
My apologies and I don't mean to keep the thread off track, but I hate when I hear comments like "streaming will kill blu-ray" or "blu-ray is dying". It's just not true.
I do think that once ESB:R is complete there will need to be some discussion about distribution, but that's still a ways away.
Just discovered this thread and this project sounds terrific. Can't wait until it's completed. Should be lots of fun.
Wow, it has already been said here to death, but Lucas is truly clueless about why so many fans take issue with him nowadays. Ever since I was 7 I never had any trouble figuring out who shot first, and I didn't think Han was a cold-blooded killer because of it. It was either him or Greedo. That's all there is to it and that's all there ever was until he messed with it in the SE.
And yeah, he's right - there are 4 different versions of Blade Runner - and we get all of them on Blu-ray to choose which we like best. There's also 2 different versions of each Alien film on Blu-Ray. And 2 versions of E.T. on DVD. So nice that he makes it easy for us by only letting us have one choice.
Does he really believe the crap that he spouts or is he just hoping that we will? Lucas has virtually killed Star Wars for me. I don't believe a single word he says anymore and I haven't for some time now. How can I possibly respect him when he says things like this? Adywan is the sole reason I still care at all about Star Wars. Him and other members who have done their best to honor Star Wars as best they can. Lucas has done nothing but hurt Star Wars ever since the SE.
nightstalkerpoet said:
I would say that this conversion was nearly on par with Hugo. I also loved Hugo :)
There's no way I can believe that this conversion was anything close to the 3D in Hugo.
Even if the conversion itself is competently done, Hugo was filmed by a talented crew that had an eye for 3D. Scorsese knew how to film to make proper use of the 3D technique. TPM was not intended to be shown in 3D so even if the conversion is descent, it wasn't shot with 3D in mind like Hugo, so most scenes will just appear flat and dull. In Hugo, every scene was framed with the thought that it would be shown in 3D, and it shows.
SilverWook, you nailed it when you mentioned the 50's 3D films. I am a fan of 3D when done well, and I own a 3D tv. I have been saying this since the start of this current 3D craze - there are tons of old 50's and 80's 3D films that should be out on 3D Blu-Ray by now. In fact, there are many foreign 3D films as well from the 80's - including quite a few from Russia. I saw a 3D Russian film a while ago and the use of 3D was just awesome, though the film was rather strange in general. Most of those old films were shot in true stereoscopic 3D and displayed in the theatre as polarized 3D, much like realD now. Many of the 50's films in particular would look fantastic on Blu-Ray, though of course most are black and white.
The studios need to get on the ball. There's money to make off these old 3D films.
Thanks for posting the Christmas video, Ady. Of course it looked fantastic. I'm not sure what others were referring to but I saw no problems with Vader's fixed helmet shots - it looked way better now that it doesn't wobble. I knew there were probably a lot of changes I was missing but I didn't know how many until the list of changes were posted.
Jaitea, that was a great mock-up of the larger AT-AT foot crushing the speeder. I hope Ady considers the idea because it looked great.
larrythefatcat said:
Oldfan said:
Keep in mind that converting CGI films like Toy Story and Shrek are relatively easy, since the studios still have all the information used to render the CGI, so they just re-render the film with a left and right view, so you get true 3D.
Actually the first three Shrek movies were unable to be re-rendered in 3D and had to be post-converted like any 2D live action film. The result is fairly good and better than most live action films, but it's still got some of the cardboard cutout moments you mention. Hoodwinked Too! is another CG animated film that is only in 3D through the use of this same type of conversion.
I hope that there are worthwile moments to the Star Wars 3D conversion(s) and from viewing the latest batch of superhero movies in 3D I can definitely say that there's a nice little touch that 3D can add to these high budget popcorn flicks, even with the moments of obvious cutting and pasting to achieve the 3D effect... nothing's been as bad as Clash of the Titans lately. I must say, however, that I've been much more thoroughly impressed by the native 3D films every time (with Fright Night 3D being my most recent favorite) and I'm sure that's a trend that will continue.
And I haven't noticed it mentioned here, but the 3D Phantom Menace teaser is on YouTube in actual 3D in the side-by-side format (also viewable in anaglyph), but it's in Russian... search accordingly!
PS: Your girlfriend owns BATB in 3D? Fine, I'll believe that... at least I'm man enough to admit to owning BATB in 3D. ;) I even bought it on release day with TLK, no regrets!
Okay I admit it - I'm a classic Disney fan! To be honest, I've been buying the classic Disney films for several years for my girlfriend. It started out as a Christmas gift one year and since then I've been getting her the newer Blu-Rays as they're released. She owns a pretty nice collection by now. But I admit I love the classic stuff myself. The Blu-Rays really do look amazing.
Thanks for telling me about the first 3 Shrek films being converted. I wasn't aware of that. I just assumed all the animated films were being re-rendered. I guess I can't just assume that.
My girlfriend owns Beauty and the Beast 3-D on Blu-Ray. It actually got released on 3-D Blu-Ray first before the theatrical release. We watched it a few weeks ago on our 3D plasma and personally, I was amazed. They did an incredible job, considering that this was (primarily) a traditionally-animated 2D film. They didn't just split the animation into separate flat planes - they actually gave everything actual depth - a "roundness" to everything. The professional reviews on the 3D Blu-Ray are also very positive - from blu-ray.com:
"I'll even go so far as to say that Disney's conversion and subsequent presentation are so brilliantly executed, the 3D so carefully implemented, that the majesty of the resulting image will convert many a skeptic and 3D holdout...As 3D conversions go, I couldn't be more impressed. As 3D Blu-ray releases go, they don't get much better than Beauty and the Beast 3D"
I agree entirely with that reviewer. Keep in mind that converting CGI films like Toy Story and Shrek are relatively easy, since the studios still have all the information used to render the CGI, so they just re-render the film with a left and right view, so you get true 3D. For a film that is hand-drawn like this, it has to be carefully converted by hand, scene by scene, frame by frame. I think they did an astonishing job. I'm actually looking forward to watching it again, and if it wasn't so expensive to see in the theatre, I would actually like to see it on the big screen.
I agree the marketing for Hugo was poor. It was also a very expensive film and sadly it doesn't seem to be doing very well theatrically. It hasn't opened yet internationally though, so hopefully it will do well internationally.