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I’m glad you’re re-instating a shortened Diner scene. If nothing else, I do like how it adds a bit of characterization to Obi-Wan, portraying him as someone with relationships and connections outside the Jedi Temple. In A New Hope, Obi-Wan seems to know his way around Mos Eisley cantina, and has no trouble finding the right person to take the crew to Aldeeran. The Diner scene shows a little bit of that side of Obi-Wan, whereas much of the prequels portray him as stuffy and bookish.

As for the garage scene, I think l8wrtr’s edit shows that it can be salvaged, but I honestly prefer Hal’s decision to excise the scene entirely. It’s better that Anakin carries that tension inwardly and shares it only with Palpatine. I think it would be very difficult to cut the scene in the way you’re suggesting, but I’d of course love to see any attempts you might make.

I think you’re probably right in your decision to exclude the apartment scene, I just enjoy brainstorming different options. I’ll stop bringing it up, lest I start sounding like a broken record.

Hal 9000 said:

I’m leaving away from the droid factory action sequence, partly because I’m hoping to cull a line from it for 3PO to replace his line as they leave Tatooine.

Fair enough, but I do want to point out that I don’t think l8wrtr’s edit of the Droid factory scene includes R2 and 3PO at all, so you’d likely be able to use the line elsewhere if you adhered to a similar edit. Ultimately it’s your edit and I think the way it plays now works, even if it does seem a bit odd that they sneak into a secret entrance only to immediately sit down at the negotiation table.

Hard to disagree too much with that. Let me sit on this for a bit, but I do like it and it makes good sense.

On second thought, the deleted Obi-Wan and Mace scene does add some connective tissue to the Kamino mystery that isn’t there without the “Yoda & the Younglings” scene, which I don’t think anyone wants back. Without the presence of either of those scenes, Obi-Wan goes straight from not finding Kamino in the library to arriving on the planet, with no mention of someone possibly deleting the files from the archive.

You could add the edited-down Dex scene anyway, right where it was the theatrical cut, but I don’t think it allows you to remove the deleted Obi-Wan and Mace scene like I had previously thought. At that point, it might be best just to leave things as they are, even though I kind of like the idea that Obi-Wan has weird alien friends/informants.

That sounds encouraging! If I come across a suitable 3PO line I’ll let you know. While you’re restoring dialogue, is there any chance you’d bring back Obi-Wan’s “you were the chosen one!” spiel? I understand the desire to focus on the personal in that moment but the lines are so iconic and Ewan MacGregor does his damnedest to sell them. It’s something I missed when thumbing through the edit recently.

If Mala is cool with it, borrow his audio for Anakin being appointed to the council, using an eerie Imerial March rather than Anakin rambling

I like this change, although I don’t love the use of non-Williams soundtrack bits to accomplish it. I know Siliconmaster482’s edit accomplishes this and trims Anakin even more without disrupting the music, so maybe that could be another source of inspiration to draw from?

EDIT: I can think of one remaining way the apartment scene could work after the third “seeds of rebellion” scene. Just have Anakin’s “Obi-Wan’s been here hasn’t he” over the establishing shot of Padme’s apartment and then cut in to Padme saying “he’s worried about you”. That way you sidestep the whole “he came by this morning” issue.

So I know this will be an unpopular suggestion, but have you given any consideration to bringing back the Dex’s Diner scene with trims similar to what Cathy Fulcher-Baker did for her edit? clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtBAiWYWR6w&t=10m26s

The reason I ask is that I think this would allow you to include the scene from the theatrical cut where Mace, Yoda and Obi-Wan discuss Anakin, rather than the alternate “deleted scene” version with only Mace and Obi-Wan as you do now. While it may be slightly stronger dramatically, I think the visual effects in that deleted scene stand out as particularly unpolished. Additionally, Mace’s line that Obi-Wan “must have faith” in Anakin seems dissonant with his character in Revenge of the Sith, who clearly doesn’t trust him.

I tried replacing “he came by this morning” with “he came by yesterday” in the apartment scene myself and I can confirm that I couldn’t get it to work seamlessly. It’s too bad, but I think I agree with Hal now that it’s impossible to integrate this scene while staying true to the goals of the edit. I guess that’s more impetus for me to create my own edit at some point…

EDIT: Actually, I can think of one way it could work. Just have Anakin’s “Obi-Wan’s been here hasn’t he” over the establishing shot of Padme’s apartment and cut in to Padme saying “he’s worried about you”

Hal, is there any chance we might be able to see a preview clip of the “plot destroy the jedi” scene integrated into it’s new place in the film before V6 releases? I’m curious as to how the music transitions will play. Additionally, are you planning to reintegrate the beginning of the council scene now that those two scenes are separated (disturbing is this move by chancellor palpatine…etc.) or will you still cut in on “you’re on this council but we do not grant you the rank of master”?

Hal 9000 said:
I think the first seeds of rebellion scene almost has to be placed where I have, due to the lighting and time of day. It’s late morning, not approaching sunset as the Anakin-Obi walk ‘n talk or traffic scenes. Even so, it feels more natural than breaking up the latter two scenes mentioned. My opinion; there’s several edits that have placed the scene in both spots.

That’s fair, although I’d argue the time of day appears wrong in both placements. The council scene already has an overcast early evening thing going on and the sun continues to set throughout the next few scenes. The Seeds of Rebellion scene has a bright morning look as you said. If we’re going purely on time of day, I think the most logical place would be after the new placement of the “Plot to destroy the Jedi” scene and before the scene where Anakin misses a briefing.

For what it’s worth, the original graphic novel adaptation places it between “The Chancellor’s request” and the council scene.

LordPlagueis said:

At the opera house, the background image of sperm fertilizing an egg at the opera is inexplicable without the line “he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create…life.”

Lol, interesting take. I think Hal already said that he’s bringing back the line about using the force to create life (sans the mention of midichlorians). I think it might also be worth adding back “it’s possible he was conceived by the force (midichlorians in the original film)” to Cloak of Deception while we’re at it. L8wrtr created that dialogue tweak for his edit and it worked quite seamlessly.

ChainsawAsh said:

RE: “several thousand solar systems” versus “a thousand solar systems” - both sound awkward. Why not “thousands of solar systems”?

+1

The only other solution I can think of with that order is to try to crib Padme saying “yesterday” from her scene with Obi-Wan so she says “he came by yesterday”, but I’m not sure how seamless that would be in practice. Hal is probably fine leaving the scene out of his edit, due to his not wanting to include the second dream sequence (Personally I would just include it, but Hal has certain goals in mind with his edit)

Hal, what are your thoughts on what I mentioned regarding the placement of the 1st “seeds of rebellion” scene?

Lastly, I thought of how the dialogue could flow if you are able to extend the Yoda meditation scene somehow, and it requires no additional dialogue from Rebels or Clone Wars

Qui-Gon: Yoda, my old friend.
Yoda: Master Qui-Gon, into exile I must go. Failed I have.
Qui-Gon: Come to the Dagobah system. You must complete what I could not.

The “Master Qui-Gon” can be taken from Ep 1 and the “Into exile I must go. Failed I have.” Is from a scene in Ep 3 that you cut. What do you think?

I hate to keep bringing up l8wrtr’s edits in your threads, but I think it’s worth taking a look at how he approached the Droid factory scene, which I copied in my “sanded down” edit. It feels brief enough that it doesn’t bog down the pace of the film, I believe he also retains the deleted scene with Dooku, but only after they are captured as a sort of last ditch effort to salvage things.

DominicCobb said:
Ani and Obi make out

This is the edit I want to see.

Seriously though, I’m intrigued by the order you suggested. How did you use the dream sequence to get around the “he came by this morning” line?

There’s also the l8wrtr order:

[Anakin and Obi-Wan make up and Obi-Wan boards the Star Destroyer] > [Anakin and Padmé in apartment] > [Obi-Wan banters with Cody and takes off in his Fighter] > [Sunset Palpatine office scene] > [Obi-Wan arrives on Utapau]

It sounds like it would be jarring but it actually works quite well in his edit.

I’m also partial to where l8wrtr places the 1st seeds of rebellion scene (after Obi-Wan asks Anakin to spy on the chancellor). To me, that scene always felt like the immediate aftermath of the council meeting, hence Anakin bursting out his “what kind of nonsense is this” rant. To wedge Padme’s scene in between as in your edit does, feels a little flow-breaking.

The only issue with l8wrtr’s order there is that the daytime atmosphere of Padme’s scene clashes with the gradual move toward sunset happening between the scenes as ordered in the theatrical version. I wonder if that could be addressed by one of our talented contributors here?

I think you’re right that it would slow things down, but I’d have to see it in the context of the movie to know if it’s too much. Honestly I think if you take out the Palpatine office scene, the seeds of rebellion scenes as a whole feel superfluous, and I wouldn’t want to see those go because Padme’s character would be underserved as in the theatrical.

The only other option I can see is to break Obi-Wan’s adventure on Utapau in two, so the ordering would go something like this.

[Wookiee battle] > [Anakin and Obi-Wan make up] > [Anakin and Padmé in apartment] > [Obi-Wan arrives on Utapau, up until the shot of him hooded, stepping into the shadows] > [Sunset Palpatine office scene] > [Obi-Wan arrives on Utapau part 2, begins with the establishing shot of the complex where the separatists are meeting]

You mentioned using SiliconMaster482’s version of R2 being captured by the Super Battle Droids. Is there any chance you might implement the little music sting they added over “hands up jedi!” as well?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9sz8uYrw2A
It’s a small thing but I really think it helps to make that scene feel more complete.

I also recommend taking a look at their version of the apartment scene after Obi-Wan leaves for Utapau. I think it does a good job of removing all traces of the second dream sequence while keeping what works about the scene.

Hal 9000 said:

It may not sound too bad without the added word at the end.

https://vimeo.com/337336010

This sounds much better to me.

I think it’s the way “nature” is cut off that’s the problem. If you can’t do anything about that, I’d recommend not using this clip.

I like the idea of the line, but the cut from “nature” to “R2” doesn’t sound right. Not sure how much you can do to finesse things.

Hal 9000 said:

Shit, you’re right. That’s damns subtle, though. I bet it’d be relatively easy to animate the wrench as falling past that opening rather than into it for a single digit number of frames, if the clip is good otherwise.

I’ve got something special to show you all later today, hopefully, too. 😉

I think it works fairly well and is definitely preferable to the “before the race” scene. I think if someone can animate the wrench falling past the engine it would definitely merit inclusion.

Personally the “General Skywalker” clips are all very obviously not Temeura Morrison and sound out of place to me. However, I do like some of the other audio edits NFBisms made. Particularly removing the honorifics, replacing “Are you coming master?” with “So are we doing this or what?” and adding an extra “Hey” in another scene go a long way toward making Anakin feel less stilted.

I’d be interested to see a preview clip but honestly I don’t see the tongue working in either scene. It creates tonal whiplash and distracts from the drama present in the scene.

Hal 9000 said:

Well, I’m toying with doing a V6 for Episode I. Episode I occupies a strange spot in my heart, and I’d like to reincorporate some bits and pieces. In a parallel to Lucas, in all likelihood, having children may shift my sensibilities!
I’m not promising anything right now, but if I proceed, here are my ideas for changes. Feel free to suggest anything else or share feedback.

• Maybe add a “roger, roger” to the commander droid responding to a hologram of the Neimodians, in order to include one somewhere (and possible do the same elsewhere if there’s another spot where a droid takes an order from the living being, but not the first ‘treaty’ scene which is already cut out)
• Reinstate Jar Jar sticking his tongue out at Qui-Gon in Watto’s shop
• Reinstate Jar Jar snatching apples with his tongue at dinner ( https://youtu.be/2df6x2YEeu8?t=33 )
• Put in truncated “it’s working, it’s working” scene
• Ditch the ‘morning before the race’ deleted scene in light of the previous change
• Maybe put back in “let’s go left” and “I’ll try spinning, that’s a good trick”
• Add “when in trouble, gungans go to sacred place” as voiceover as they approach the Gungan shelter area (idea from MalaStrana)
• I might edit the podrace completely differently, ditching the musical score I added. I did it originally in 2006 and was fond of it, but it might be better without it and not edited specifically to fit the music

My color correction needs are very simple, but does anyone feel like making a LUT I can use to just tidy up the image overall? Just to tone down the red from the BluRay, and whatever else would make for a good universal setting to apply to the whole film.

I’m a fan of re-editing the podrace and swapping the “before the race” scene with a trimmed down “it’s working, it’s working” scene. I like the idea of adding in one roger-roger. Not sure that I’m a fan of reinstating those JarJar moments or Anakin lines.

Excited that a V6 of this is happening. Would be interesting to see a workprint. Moving the ‘Plot to destroy the Jedi’ scene seems like it might address some of the issues I have with flow in that part of the edit.

I’d love to see you reinstate some of the Yoda/Palpatine fight, mainly just to break up the fight on Mustafar. But I know you have your reasons for cutting it.

Could you revisit the vocal pitch effects on the Battle Droid that says “hands up Jedi”? I get that you’re trying to make him sound less squeaky, but right now his voice sounds audibly deeper than any other battle droid in these films.

Here’s a weird potential idea. What do you think of making the brief “blink-and-you’ll-miss-it” Millennium Falcon cameo look more like it’s appearance in Solo?

My understanding is that Ady is free to incorporate things he likes from the new films, prequel films or animated series (the interior of the Falcon, Chopper’s cameo) but the films themselves aren’t “canon” to the Revisited Trilogy and he can and will contradict them if he feels that’s what’s best for his edits.

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RU.08 said:

I don’t know I would call that “easy”, I can send you my project files and you can see what you can make of it if you like. In any case, we have a very good opportunity to scan this film now if the print is purchased.

I would want to have the original raw files (Maybe a .ts or .mp4 file?) of the Austrian 720p HDTV record “Die dunkle Bedrohung” from ORF1 from 2013 (or earlier) in best possible quality.

The only available recording of the Austrian ORF1 version is 480p.

I already have that 480p version, but there should be a European 720p HDTV record.

There should, but there isn’t.