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Here are a couple quick, low-effort instances where the issue of Rey’s parents might be toned down a tad. Sorry if the visuals are going nuts, not sure what that’s about, but it’s all conceptual anyway.

https://vimeo.com/514071458/e6e79a392a

First, I cut Kylo saying that Rey’s parents chose to be nobodies “to keep her safe.” He instead just says they chose to be nobodies, which is implicit enough of some deeper truth (that he’ll reveal in two seconds anyway and that Rey seems to now remember) that we don’t need the follow-up “because they love you and were good people.” I mean, if Rey’s dad is Palpatine’s son and doesn’t want to be involved, he’d already be trying to pass as a “nobody” even if Rey didn’t exist, right? I think the result is far more ominous, and Rey’s lineage, not the love of her parents, is supposed to be the true “reveal” by the end of this whole sequence anyway.

https://vimeo.com/514071880/6877804297

Second, in the final confrontation, when Palpatine calls Rey’s parents weak, she doesn’t interrupt to imply that they were great people who she admires. Now, after Rey says she won’t give into hate, Palpatine just monologues uninterrupted. If the soundtrack audio with that cut is an issue (I don’t currently have the blu ray’s multiple audio tracks on me to isolate dialog), I think the faux-hopeful music that starts when Rey says “they were strong” could instead start when Rey says “You want me to hate but I won’t,” which would have the same effect.

Some other things that would be nice but I can’t try at the moment:

• If Rey’s parents could not tell her “be brave” and “you’ll be safe” and all that, that would be nice, though it seems hard to cut/rearrange as we need to get a visual of them in that moment. Maybe just mute/distort their voices or something, like it’s a hazy memory? Maybe it’s not even a big deal.
• Kylo actually mentions Rey’s parents being noble twice: the first is the edited clip I posted, but then he does it again later when he says “they sold you to protect you.” I don’t know if it’s possible, but I think a great way to edit this to de-emphasize Rey’s parents would be for Kylo to say “they sold you to hide you.” This means basically the same thing, but can be interpreted by the audience in potentially less loving ways; they hid Rey to try to save themselves, or they hid Rey to fight back Palpatine, or even they hid Rey because they feared her (which isn’t totally incompatible with their tearful goodbye).

I feel like the best option, if possible, is to cut references to Rey’s parents being good people in TROS. Rey can want revenge for being orphaned even if her parents weren’t the best, which might even better sell her dark side arc by having her want purely selfish revenge instead of avenging good people. And her brief moment of “my parents were strong, they saved me from you” in the Palpatine confrontation doesn’t really matter since it’s Ben and the Jedi who actually help her, and not her parents’ love. Heck, she takes someone else’s last name in the final scene, so her parents suddenly having significance to her again doesn’t even fit in the context of TROS itself.

Hal 9000 said:

Brewzter said:

DZ-330 said:

List of space/ships shots that could hopefully be made by someone with WAY more skills than me:

• Space shot of Ochi’s ship approaching Kimji
• Shot of Ren’s TIE approaching Endor
• Shot of Rey in Ren’s TIE leaving Endor
• Shot of Rey in Ren’s TIE approaching Anch-To
• Rey taking Luke’s X-Wing and leaving Anch-To in space
• A tease of Vader’s TIE leaving Endor
• The Falcon in space approaching Tatooine

I like all of these except for the TIE approaching Endor, I think it’s important to preserve the “surprise” when Kylo stops the Wayfinder on the throne room floor and it’s revealed that he’s there that way.

Or Ben rummaging around, and staring indecisively at both Vader’s TIE and an Imperial Shuttle.

This is the point where an interactive DVD menu pops up and prompts the viewer to select which craft Ben should take.

I think this discussion and experimenting of the trailer music would be better suited for the general edits thread. We and Hal went through nearly the exact same options many pages ago in this thread and ultimately decided against it (at least partially because, as Neverar said, it doesn’t match the rest of the movie score).

Kylo appeared in front of Luke because the dyad includes the ability of material exchange

So when Luke appeared in front of everyone on Crait, that was because of a dyad? The dyad as a concept didn’t exist when TLJ was written, yet water splashed on Kylo’s face in one of his conversations with Rey. I’m just not getting how the word “dyad,” with no further elaboration at all in TROS, explains anything that TLJ didn’t already. The only reason “Snoke did it” sounds implausible to you but “a dyad did it” doesn’t is because of your own assumptions about Snoke that TLJ as-written frankly doesn’t seem to support.

he orchestrated Kylo appearing vulnerable in order to lure Rey in

I’m not sure how that could in any way be credited to Snoke if, in your version, he had nothing to do with the mind-bridging. What exactly was he “orchestrating” and how?

Kylo seemed vulnerable to Rey because of the conversations they had, and they continue to have those conversations after Snoke dies. Are you implying that Kylo is acting out of character throughout the first half the movie because Snoke is mind controlling him?

This all just seems like a lot of hoops to jump through when the easiest and least-damaging options would be:

1. Let the audience assume that Palpatine doesn’t 1:1 control Snoke and/or the dyad isn’t purely the mental connection, which is what the theatrical versions of the movies do and what Hal plans to do.
   or
2. Tweak the “voices” line in TROS to completely remove Palpatine 1:1 controlling Snoke as possible assumption.

I’d personally like to remove the word “dyad” from TROS entirely if it’s such a big problem for too many people. Just cut Kylo’s lines in the hangar, then in the soul-sucking scene just have Palpatine do it intentionally and not pause with surprise. But that might be too dramatic for Hal’s cut.

If it’s okay to have vague mystical concepts with no explanation, then what’s wrong with leaving it as-is and the “dyad” referring to something more than the mind-bridging? Not everything needs a “Snoke did it” explanation, but “Snoke did it” is the explanation for the mind bridging, so the dyad must be something deeper than just mind-linking if you’re assuming Palpatine knew everything Snoke knew. Heck, Luke projected himself too, so why wouldn’t Luke be a “dyad” with everyone on Crait? He also saw Kylo in the hut, so were Luke, Kylo, and Rey a three-way dyad?

The dyad concept is not being improved by making TLJ’s story worse, because TROS still never tells us exactly what a dyad is. Undermining TLJ based on assumptions about what a dyad might be, assumptions which are logically incorrect anyway given what has been established in canon, just doesn’t sound worth the damage it does.

I just don’t get how going out of our way to make TLJ worse, without improving TROS at all, makes any sense. It’s competely kneecapping the narrative core of a story, the big twist reveal at the film’s climax, just to make some completely unnecessary unexplained lore mumbo jumbo the tiniest bit more palatable.

It’s like the Force knew that allowing a dyad between these two individuals was going to result in bringing balance back.

That’s just as big of an out-of-movie assumption as anything else that’s been brought up. It takes no more effort to assume that Palps wasn’t literally controlling Snoke as a meat puppet and that the voices line was more about how he’s influenced Kylo’s life, or that Snoke bridging their minds was only the first step in forming the dyad and that Palpatine knowing they can Skype isn’t the same as Palpatine knowing he can eat their souls.

Frankly a lot of this stuff can come down to Occam’s Razor on the audience’s part. If Snoke bridging their minds and Palpatine not knowing they’re a dyad are both established fact, which they are, then the logical conclusion an audience member must come to is that either Palpatine didn’t have 1:1 control over Snoke or that a “dyad” has a deeper aspect to it than just the mind link.

The problem is that you have to rely on assumptions in order to come up with all of that.

For the “processing power” explanation sure, but for the pure power explanation it’s a straightforward inference from watching the movie. Kylo says to Rey “the strain would kill you,” but Snoke is clearly shown to be far stronger than Rey in their throne room encounter, and when Snoke explains in that scene that he’s been in Kylo’s mind for some time, that’s a payoff/callback to what Luke said about the night he read Ben’s thoughts, so there’s a really easy implicit answer in that Snoke is strong enough to do the thing Rey can’t and has the connection to Kylo needed to do it. The only way it becomes a “problem” is if, when Luke dies, the angry fan boy in the audience says “but Snoke couldn’t possibly be stronger than Luke,” and that is a baseless assumption.

This way, the audience doesn’t wonder how Snoke was powerful enough to pull off such a feat

This is not a problem with the movie itself. The audience doesn’t need to know how Snoke was powerful enough. It is implied in TFA and earlier in TLJ that Snoke is powerful simply as an established fact about his character, and so the reveal that he was the one doing the thing that only a very powerful person could do is a logical conclusion to the mystery.

The only thing the audience is wondering is how Kylo and Rey are able to communicate across the galaxy

Ending TLJ with no explanation for this mysterious phenomenon that the characters themselves call attention to as a mystery is a far bigger problem, as it leaves TLJ’s own story unfinished. It’s especially bad since TROS doesn’t actually answer the question; at no point in TROS is it explained how Kylo and Rey became linked, they just pointlessly and confusingly give the phenomenon a proper noun.

Ultimately I think the dyad is so poorly explained and frankly unimportant of a concept in TROS, and the mind-link in TLJ works well enough on its own, that editing TROS to fit in with TLJ makes far more sense than editing TLJ to fit with TROS, if the edit is even really necessary.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

it is physically impossible for Snoke to have kickstarted the entire dyad because according to Kylo, the effort of such projection would kill

Are you referring to when he tells Rey the effort would kill her? In the theater when Snoke revealed he did it, and when Luke later died, my assumption (and I’m sure the writer’s intent given the Dyad didn’t exist yet) was simply that projecting your image into reality for all to see is far more of a strain than a mental link between two people created by a third person. Snoke was using triple the “processing power” for his feat that Luke was, having not only his own mind at his disposal but also Kylo’s (because he’s been in his head for years) and Rey’s (possibly because Rey and Kylo were in each other’s heads in TFA).

There’s also the possibility that Snoke himself was just more powerful than Rey or Luke, and that he can effortlessly do things they can’t. But I know implying that anyone could possibly be stronger than Master Luke is a sore spot for certain fans.

Hal 9000 said:

I do wonder, Burbin, if it would prove doable to change that line as you propose. “We’ve become a dyad in the Force.”

I like this if possible.

If the Dyad line is being cut from the hangar, might as well try to remove it entirely by also editing out Palps saying it at the end. No matter who says it first, the word initially comes out of nowhere and ultimately means nothing to the audience.

Dialog aside, I’d rather see Palp clones than Snoke clones, since explaining why Palps is back is more immediately important to the movie than explaining where Snoke came from.

Here’s a new recording to use as a base, this time with the previous washed-out problem corrected (there’s an issue with trying to record HDR on PS5). It’s got better color and more noticeable level of detail now. As an added bonus, the random falling leaves were much kinder this time around (the last clip had two giant leaves fall right in front of the camera).

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ykKDRBGA7bsezMyXcnCIvswzp5ad9DDM/view?usp=sharing

Unfortunately I’m not sure I’m gonna get a better source than this without building a gaming PC (not happening soon lol), finding a better recording online (haven’t succeeded so far), or Battlefront 2 getting an official PS5 upgrade (not impossible, but I’m not betting on it). But poppasketti’s try on the last clip looked pretty good given the circumstances imo, so maybe this new recording can push it a little farther?

Edit: the game does have a few visual settings on consoles. Motion blur, filmic effects (chromatic aberration and vignette), film grain, and lens distortion. But I’m not sure any of those solve any issues in a way that wouldn’t be done better by hand in post (I had them all turned off here).

jarbear said:

Oh dear…

Ha, I understand. I personally don’t like the stormtrooper scene, as I feel it’s “too video-gamey,” has weird camera movement we don’t see elsewhere, and doesn’t add anything of value that our establishing shots didn’t already.

But, perhaps hypocritically, I’m still hoping that Ajan Kloss can somehow be made passable enough, because I thinks the breathing room and sense of geography it provides may be worth it looking like a shot from Revenge of the Sith.

Speaking of video game footage, I’ve managed to get a new version of the Ajan Kloss clip directly off a friend’s PS5. It’s not as good as 4k max settings on a PC sadly, and saving footage on the console itself isn’t as good as using a capture card, but Battlefront 2 on PS5 does use improved effects/textures/lighting over the last gen, with the difference being noticeable compared to the clip that was posted here a few days ago (which originated from a standard Xbox One). It’s also still 1080p/60fps.

If anyone wants to try messing around with it, here’s a download (don’t watch in browser, the preview is terrible).

Edit: it occurs to me that the clip may be more washed out than it should be due to an issue with the recording. I’ll look into fixing the issue, but if anyone wants to try the existing clip anyway, please do so.

CaptainFaraday said:

nl0428 said:

I’ll admit, I’ve been behind on this thread due to dedicating my time to my personal life and editing projects. What exactly is the percentage status on V2?

I know there’s also a Rey Nobody version in the pipeline eventually, which I’m very excited for, but I know Hal said would take a while. What’s the current percentage status on Rey Nobody?

Due to the work still needed to be done with the base TROS, Hal hasn’t been directly working on Rey Nobody yet.

General work for Rey Nobody (as in, not just for Hal’s edit) has been discussed in its own seperate thread:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/REY-NOBODY-The-Official-Fan-Editing-Thread/id/76772

When Kylo was stabbed he was still alive, so Rey didn’t have to die to patch it up.

When Rey beat Palpatine she died, so Kylo had to die to bring her back.

Soul for a soul, equivalent exchange, all that.

nl0428 said:

I’ll admit, I’ve been behind on this thread due to dedicating my time to my personal life and editing projects. What exactly is the percentage status on V2?

I believe we’re waiting on:

• lightsaber crackle
• Luke’s haircut
• possible Mustafar tweaks

That’s all I can recall at the moment. And a few other random ideas have been tossed around; I’m still trying to get my hands on higher quality Ajan Kloss Battlefront 2 footage that might be decently edited into a short transitional shot (I might get some soon, but we’ll see).

My personal hope is that an older Grogu joins Rey’s group in future EU material.

She trained at one of the original Jedi temples and is now the protector of the sacred texts that she took from the library before it was destroyed. As the last Jedi (as far as we know, Filoni…), she’s also the protector of their entire culture in general (a thousand generations live in you now).

Also Rey might not even know about the colors, and lightsaber color lore is inconsistent and doesn’t matter anyway. Cal Kestis had a hot-pink one when I played Fallen Order.

Movies Remastered said:

axlanian said:

CaptainFaraday said:

Something that bugs the hell out of me, and I’d love to see removed in a fanedit, is the ring of little spikes that pop up on Rey’s yellow lightsaber at the very end of the movie. I was watching this scene earlier and it occurred to me how incredibly easy it would be to remove them, by taking a small rectangle of footage directly above them and duplicating it over them (I made a mockup from a still frame, but I’m not sure how to upload it in here).

Is it only me that hates those little spikes? To me, they turn a perfectly fine lightsaber design into something from 2012 DeviantArt. Hell, if it doesn’t bother anyone else nearly as much as it bothers me, and if someone can send me the bit of footage and tell me what to do with my export settings (Premiere Pro CS6 for Mac), I’ll even do it myself.

Are you talking about the triangular vent/flap things on top? They don’t bother me from a visuals/design standpoint, I’m more confused by how they seem to be entering the beam of the saber without being destroyed.

I’m with you on this. So, the Saber beam pushes them open and closes them again? Seems a little far-fetched.

I assumed it was some sort of safety, perhaps from back before saber tech was more refined and reliable (since Rey had been reading old books on the Jedi). Some sort of beam-resistant metal, the pieces cover up the opening when it’s off, then open up mechanically when she turns the twisting switch that turns the beam on. That way if the beam turns on by itself due to some internal glitch, it doesn’t destroy whatever it happened to be pointing at.

Visually I like it. The more mechanical nature of her lightsaber feels personal based on her experience as a parts scavenger.

Ah, I thought you were just referring to the initial art you linked.

Yeah, fighting inside would have been cool too. As for the blade, it’s definitely not crackling in those later pics.

Movies Remastered said:

2:26 onward. It looks like Rey has a crackling Saber watching it on my phone. Haven’t checked on my monitor yet. Wish these shots happened.

https://youtu.be/fsnAXhq77hw

Hard to tell if it’s actually crackling or if it’s just art interpretation of the glow. I think it’s the latter, since this looks close to the TROS final product and there isn’t any other known crackling art.

And concept art always looks more interesting than the final product, because drawing lets you get crazier than what camera/sets/props/actors/budget can. That pic is basically what happens in the movie, just not as cartoonish.

Ooh, very cool Movies Remastered! Looking a lot more like Kylo’s.

Replace all porgs with tiny klauds.

You’d be depressed and wanting to die too after being stuck on that island.