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#99249
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Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
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Oh yes, and regarding the green R2 unit, there is another shot of R2-D2 earlier in the scene where the red unit is still in the background, only not as obvious. Unfortunately Luke and C3P0 walk in front of the camera, but if you could take the section of the clear shot and extend it to the same length as the original segment you want to replace (it's only about ~ 30 frames long) I think that would be a better option.
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#99246
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Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
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Just to offer my point of view on David's changes.

I've never even seen the Lucas Special Editions, let alone the DVD versions. I never wanted to, because I just knew I wouldn't like them.

The Darth Editous version is one I would like to see, because it sounds like all the Lucas stuff I would find objectionable has been removed. For the "wow" factor as well, everything is in Lowry-cleaned-up DVD quality, there are new CGI effects (remember I've never seen the SE) and the soundtrack is in Dolby Digital 5.1 (I assume?).

For personal nostalgic viewing I would still chose my own Laserdisc copy, but for demo purposes or for watching with others, I imagine I'd chose this version.
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#99011
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Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
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David, I don't know if you were aware, but some of the edits you have made (motion blur on the TIE attack, fixing lightsabres, jumpcuts, etc.) mirror those detailed by Mike Verta on his site. However, whereas he is attempting to restore the original version, you're sort of making your own Special Edition. (Which is cool, a DVD-quality SE version with Han shooting first and Jabba removed definitely gets my approval. Although I'm dubious about a green R2 unit suddenly appearing in the jawa's droid lineup!)

Anyway, just thought that site might be a useful reference for some of the defects present on the DVD, there may be something there that you've missed.
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#98812
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off topic video related question
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Just a couple of ideas:

1. Goldwave is an audio editor that will load AVIs directly. Not sure if you can re-save the AVI after processing though, but might be worth a look.

2. VirtualDubMod will load OGM files; you may be able to load the first then select "append segment" to join the second to it (but I've not tried it, this option might only work for AVI files).
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#98138
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Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
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Good to know this is a PAL version!

Ideally it would be nice to see a finished version end up in the hands of Ritker or D.O., for distribution through BT/UseNet respectively, that's of course if you don't object to seeing your version become widespread (you didn't misuse anyone's Avid system for your edits, did you? )

IMO when you have finished the DVD, and if you are going to share it, you should start a new "info and feedback" thread to discuss your version. Yes it would be technically breaking forum rules, as it is sourced from the 2004 DVD, but we've got threads somewhere for MagFan's edits of Ep I and II and this is no different. As long as the thread sticks to information and reviews of the DVD and not how to obtain a copy, i.e. no offering for sale and no naming a specific torrent site or newsgroup then I don't consider it could get Jay into trouble - but it is a thin line and he must have the final say.
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#97196
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.: Moth3r's PAL DVD project :.
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I wasn't considering doing an NTSC version.

In theory it'd be easy to change the script to assume 23.976 fps instead of 25 fps and correct the vertical resolution for 16:9 NTSC. However, that picture that Laserman posted (here), showing how the X0 leaves the 925 standing in terms of quality, makes it pointless to do an NTSC version; there will be a better version available soon anyway. (I'd still like to investigate using a 2950 with a SweetSpot card, though, to see how that compares).

Yeah the screencaps look good - not flawless, but acceptable to my eyes - but that's no good if I can't get the audio sync spot on.
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#97041
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.: Moth3r's PAL DVD project :.
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Update:
Now implemented a scratch filter to remove the worst of the "line drops" from the laserdisc transfer. Appears to have worked well, and in watching the new encode it doesn't look like it's adversely affected any other areas of the picture.
Unfortunately the release of this DVD has been delayed becaue I've now noticed that the audio is slightly out of sync in some areas. I didn't notice it before because the two areas I used for samples had the audio spot on. It's only very slightly out but it is noticeable and it bugs me, so it needs fixing.
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#96749
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Info Wanted: Haven't been here in a while and just need an update of site events since
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
... Although it is wayyyyy more convenient (video and audio are kept in sync, much easier connections)... Not so convenient if you're trying to capture a macrovision protected VHS.

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
... Regardless, a variety of NTSC and PAL sources, as well as formats, are being seriously evaluated for each version. There have been a number of surprising findings when comparing versions and players.
Such as? Tell us more...

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#96552
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Info & Offer Of Help: Audio Assist
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Originally posted by: Belbucus
Can anybody identify this DVD version for me and pin down which source the mono tracks were culled from? That'll be the EditDroid DVD, version 1.

Brief details:
The first [version] has a recreated crawl and three sound mixes: mono (from a VHS boot), matrixed Dolby stereo (from the late 90's widescreen laserdisc), and the Definitive Edition mix, which we believe to be a mixdown of the 1977 six-track 70mm mix.

[responding to a comment re. the mono mix, "Thin as hell, of course.."]
Yup. And that's after lots of tinkering in Pro Tools and Sound Forge. Nth generation VHS, what can I say... Would love to find a better source someday.

That bootleg is missing material, sometimes a lot, at every reel change, too. So we filled the gaps with the stereo mix dumped to mono. We made no attempt to otherwise "dumb down" the patches, though, for we wanted anyone who cared to be able to tell what was true to the original mono mix and what was a replacement. Kinda like how art restorers use paints that can be easily removed should a future restorer need to redo the job.
Here's the full thread:
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=1703
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#96538
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Info & Offer Of Help: Audio Assist
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I must say it is encouraging to see an audio restoration specialist getting involved!

Here's the situation as I understand it:
There are two known sources that contain a recording of the mono mix.

1. Bootleg VHS copies of the pre-ANH telecine. Distributed at fan conventions and such, it is unknown how many generations down from the original these copies are. Some gaps exist in the audio at the reel changes. (The mono track on the EditDroid DVD is based on one of these bootlegs.) RevBeastly has lent his VHS copy to MeBeJedi to capture; hopefully we'll see some form of electronic copy available to download soon.

2. VHS recording of a UK TV broadcast from the '80s. I dug out a 1st generation recording of this; the tape is worn at the start and it is incomplete; the start and end are missing and there are gaps where the ad-breaks were. I sampled my tape and made it available in two versions: a 50MB MP3 and a 320MB lossless FLAC file.

Whereas it'd be nice to have a cleaner master available, I think you have to assume that this is all that's available at the moment.