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- #130711
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- <strong>The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/130711/action/topic#130711
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Moth3r
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- #130710
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- .: Moth3r's PAL DVD project :.
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/130710/action/topic#130710
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@dark_jedi: There is no disc art yet. If anyone wants to do something, this is the art on the laserdisc:

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- #130708
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- Looking for VirtualDub filters...
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/130708/action/topic#130708
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- #130579
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- Info Wanted: are there any lossless masters of ld captures?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/130579/action/topic#130579
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- #130260
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- Info Wanted: are there any lossless masters of ld captures?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/130260/action/topic#130260
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The unprocessed captured AVIs are 60-80GB per film - and that's compressed with huffyuv. It'd theoretically take about 7 weeks of solid uploading for me to put these on a.b.sw, and no-one is prepared to do that (not to mention it will piss off the users of the group and probably the uploader's ISP as well).
Some people may offer to copy the files for the price of a hard drive plus shipping - if they still have them. My raw AVIs are now deleted, and I believe Cowclops has deleted his as well.
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- #130246
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- ***The Official FAN CREATED DVD Reviews and Feedback Thread***
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/130246/action/topic#130246
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ADigitalMan's version with trimmed scenes, a few fixes and modified audio.
ocpmovie's version that uses laserdisc footage to replace a lot of the CGI crap.
Darth Editous who has digitally painted out the CGI stuff, and also gone to town removing continuity errors and fixing dodgy SFX.
Anyone seen all three?
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- #130238
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- Dr. M's Reinventing The Wheel Edition (PAL to NTSC+) (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/130238/action/topic#130238
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Originally posted by: Karyudo
...the guy who did the PAL session clearly cropped a bit tighter than the NTSC guy...
This is I think the main reason why the starfields look so much better on the PAL version. ...the guy who did the PAL session clearly cropped a bit tighter than the NTSC guy...
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- #129726
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- Citizen's Aspect Ratio Calculator Tool for your browser
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/129726/action/topic#129726
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Originally posted by: Karyudo
Now, for a real TV, getting the AR "right" is sorta pointless, because a CRT can be (and is) adjusted to mess with the AR, and the edges hidden by a bezel. So the minute differences made by CCIR-compliant calculations sorta make no difference at all, when some doofus at the factory wasn't all that careful, and your TV is actually displaying 4.2:3 already!
I'm sort of with Karyudo on this bit, there's no point in doing the calculations to n-th degree accuracy if the tolerance the display device can be up to 5% out. Now, for a real TV, getting the AR "right" is sorta pointless, because a CRT can be (and is) adjusted to mess with the AR, and the edges hidden by a bezel. So the minute differences made by CCIR-compliant calculations sorta make no difference at all, when some doofus at the factory wasn't all that careful, and your TV is actually displaying 4.2:3 already!
Plus the fact that many people will find this useful for converting downloaded AVIs into DVD, and many AVIs have aspect ratios that are slightly off to begin with to comply with the mod-16 size requirement.
However I think it would be nice to have a checkbox to say "correct values for CCIR compliancy" so that users have the option to use it or not.
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- #129448
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- Dr. M's Reinventing The Wheel Edition (PAL to NTSC+) (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/129448/action/topic#129448
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
Does anyone know the number of actual lines used in a PAL 2.35:1 laserdisc?
324. Does anyone know the number of actual lines used in a PAL 2.35:1 laserdisc?
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- #129366
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- <strong>The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/129366/action/topic#129366
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Originally posted by: MoveAlong
Just read on myspleen that Rik had a private viewing of cowclops2 ESB and the demo disc with other OT fans. They rated 7 transfers and cowclops2 came in #6, as in next to last, ahead of only the quality broth set. This seems hard to believe after months of reading this thread and looking forward to this set. I don't have the discs yet. Any comments, concerns?
Not watched this all the way through, but first impression is that Cowclops V2 is the best anamorphic NTSC version yet. Just read on myspleen that Rik had a private viewing of cowclops2 ESB and the demo disc with other OT fans. They rated 7 transfers and cowclops2 came in #6, as in next to last, ahead of only the quality broth set. This seems hard to believe after months of reading this thread and looking forward to this set. I don't have the discs yet. Any comments, concerns?
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- #129355
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- Dr. M's Reinventing The Wheel Edition (PAL to NTSC+) (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/129355/action/topic#129355
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Actually, I'll try putting your video onto a RW to see what it looks like on a TV.
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- #129348
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- .: Moth3r's PAL DVD project :.
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/129348/action/topic#129348
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Metallaxis should be doing one soon. I've told him how I want the cover to look, and given him a low-res mockup. I'm not particularly experienced with Photoshop (and I'm too lazy) to do it myself.
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- #129342
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- Dr. M's Reinventing The Wheel Edition (PAL to NTSC+) (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/129342/action/topic#129342
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Originally posted by: eros
Pretty pointless project really this.
You're a pretty pointless member. I don't think I've ever seen you post anything constructive.Pretty pointless project really this.
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- #129200
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- Dr. M's Reinventing The Wheel Edition (PAL to NTSC+) (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/129200/action/topic#129200
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
That's a 7-pass vbr, now how do I make CCE go all the way to 11? Pointless IMO, after 2 passes it's a case of dimishing returns. For a laserdisc source, I don't think there's any advantage in doing more than 3 passes. Even for a DVD source, 5-6 passes is considered about the maximum.
Originally posted by: Doctor M
Let me know what you think, and be honest, this IS for posterity. To bright, to yellow, too much border, etc.
Really kicking myself about the colour saturation. It looks so much better with just a little increase (I have to turn the colour up on my TV every time I watch my discs!)That's a 7-pass vbr, now how do I make CCE go all the way to 11? Pointless IMO, after 2 passes it's a case of dimishing returns. For a laserdisc source, I don't think there's any advantage in doing more than 3 passes. Even for a DVD source, 5-6 passes is considered about the maximum.
Originally posted by: Doctor M
Let me know what you think, and be honest, this IS for posterity. To bright, to yellow, too much border, etc.
I think you're wrong to do what you've done with the borders. If it was me, I'd just shrink everything vertically by 16.67% to give 480 lines (with about 360 for the actual video picture).
And just an idea for you: for the halos, you might want to try the FixVHSOversharp Avisynth filter. It looks like it's the sort of thing that the video needs, but I think it's designed for VCD, it might not be developed enough to work with full-resolution DVD video.
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- #129061
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- <strong>The "ADigitalMan Special Editions" DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/129061/action/topic#129061
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ADigitalMan - the audio drop out is hardly noticeable. (I did however notice, when watching on my PC, the famous "halos" which are an issue with the Region 1 DVD release).
I haven't had a chance to watch all the way through yet but it looks like you did a great job with this. I liked what you did with the podrace. The last fan edit I d/led was Magnoliafan's remastered 'Phantom Re-Edit' but due to a bad framerate and poor audio that one got deleted; yours however is a keeper!
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- #128482
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- <strong>The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/128482/action/topic#128482
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Originally posted by: segaflip
Well I am running winrar on ep5 right now. Since i am not in a rush to get this up, seeing how I am still posting ep4, i am using the best compression. That should make it alittle bit smaller and faster to upload/download. I plan on starting to post ep5 around noon Sun same format as ep4.
I was able to compress ep5 from 4.23gb to 3.64gb, only took 2.5hrs. If anyone cares.
Does that mean it's going to take 2.5 hours to un-rar? I'm surprised you managed to compress it that much, as normally DVDs (which are already compressed MPEG-2 video) don't compress very well with ZIP or RAR compression.Well I am running winrar on ep5 right now. Since i am not in a rush to get this up, seeing how I am still posting ep4, i am using the best compression. That should make it alittle bit smaller and faster to upload/download. I plan on starting to post ep5 around noon Sun same format as ep4.
I was able to compress ep5 from 4.23gb to 3.64gb, only took 2.5hrs. If anyone cares.
Persoanlly I prefer no compression, (i.e. use the "store" option), as then if you want to preview the download you can just rename one of the RARs to VOB and play it in PowerDVD.
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- #128204
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- STAR WARS: The Torrents thread
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/128204/action/topic#128204
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Yeah I know you can't mix NTSC and PAL on the same disc...
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- #127675
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- .: Moth3r's PAL DVD project :.
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/127675/action/topic#127675
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http://www.doom9.org/capture/digital_video_color.html
A good thing to know. If you feed a YUY2 file into VirtualDub or TMPGEnc, it will be converted to RGB before it gets there. This conversion will be done by the codec (like huffyuv or an mjpeg codec) if you open the avi directly. It can be done by an explicit ConvertToRGB32() within AviSynth, or it will be done by your operating system if you open the file in AviSynth and output uncompressed YUY2. The reason you may care is that the luma range may be handled differently depending upon the method of conversion. The standard way of converting is to take the normal range of YUY2 (which is 16-235) and expand it to the normal range of RGB (which is 0-255). Huffyuv, the AviSynth conversion routines, and the default OS conversions do this. The down side of this is that any values outside of the normal range will be set to 0 or 255. This is called clamping. A non-standard method of conversion is to keep the 16-235 range for the RGB. The problem with this is that if you don't deal with this correctly, you will get washed out looking video. The major mjpeg codecs (and some DV ones) do this non-standard YUY2->RGB conversion. TMPGEnc and other mpeg encoders have a setting to adjust for this. In VirtualDub, you need to make the adjustment manually, or simply know what you have before you feed it to your encoder.
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- #127560
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- Dr. M's Reinventing The Wheel Edition (PAL to NTSC+) (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/127560/action/topic#127560
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Digging around Google came up with this, but not much else.
So what I'm saying is that the technology for pitch preservation did exist back when these VHS versions were released, so it shouldn't be so much of a surprise that it was used. Just makes you wonder how many other PAL titles have the correct pitch?
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- #127557
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- Star War, Episode III - Backstroke Of The West (part-finished release?)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/127557/action/topic#127557
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I did get my hands on an Asian bootleg pressing of Ep. III, but it was the later one without the timer and with the Russian opening text. The English subtitles on that were not perfect, but nowhere near humourous as the version shown.
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- #127352
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- STAR WARS: the alt.binaries.starwars thread
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/127352/action/topic#127352
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Originally posted by: segaflip
I am currently uploading ADigitalMan's Ep1 fan edit.
Thanks for the upload; is it the version with fixed audio? I am currently uploading ADigitalMan's Ep1 fan edit.
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- #127364
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- The Birthday Thread
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/127364/action/topic#127364
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Same date as Wesley Snipes and J K Rowling, apparently.
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- #127222
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- Dr. M's Reinventing The Wheel Edition (PAL to NTSC+) (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/127222/action/topic#127222
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Top and bottom edges have the least damage (and little can be done about this).
Left and right present the real problem. Because in addition to the lost regions, even more of the frame will be lost once this is view on a TV (because of overscan). The tighter framing in the PAL laserdiscs is well documented, but in addition, some of the image lost from the left and right could be due to the "capture window" effect.
Have you tried to align the audio track to the video yet? Because I'd imagine you'd be unlikely to get a perfect 25fps from your VHS player.
No, but the audio on my DVD is a perfect 25fps, I spent some time matching it up frame-by-frame cutting out the occasional 40ms where necessary. Although it does maybe go out of sync for a little bit during some parts of the final death star battle. Left and right present the real problem. Because in addition to the lost regions, even more of the frame will be lost once this is view on a TV (because of overscan). The tighter framing in the PAL laserdiscs is well documented, but in addition, some of the image lost from the left and right could be due to the "capture window" effect.
Your nuts Doc! What about his nuts?
I've never seen (heard) a PAL release with preserved pitch.
I hadn't either, so this is a bit surprising. Can anyone confirm this is definitely the case?I did a simple saturation boost and put the brightest red in that clip to 75% of maximum I find this very strange - but that's exactly what I did when I captured the video. So in theory, you shouldn't be changing the saturation at using that method.
I've since found that the 75% thing (which equates to a maximum analogue voltage of 100 IRE for NTSC video) isn't a limitation for PAL, so I could have gone higher. Also, it's normally acceptable to go up to 110 IRE or even 120 IRE for the occasional isolated pixel.
:: Edit - check out frame 8098.
The sharpening process Moth3r used produces halos around dark edges,
No, the halos were not caused by the sharpening (see my post dated 18 April). It's actually an analogue oversharp problem, you can see that the halos are on the left hand side only (if it was digital sharpening it would be both sides). But my version is designed for analogue (CRT) displays, where such things are not as noticable, whereas I understand yours is intended for a digital projector?I've since found that the 75% thing (which equates to a maximum analogue voltage of 100 IRE for NTSC video) isn't a limitation for PAL, so I could have gone higher. Also, it's normally acceptable to go up to 110 IRE or even 120 IRE for the occasional isolated pixel.
:: Edit - check out frame 8098.
The sharpening process Moth3r used produces halos around dark edges,
I've never seen (heard) a PAL release with preserved pitch.
Have you tried to align the audio track to the video yet? Because I'd imagine you'd be unlikely to get a perfect 25fps from your VHS player.
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- #126942
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- ***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/126942/action/topic#126942
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- #126824
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- What do you use to master your DVD's?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/126824/action/topic#126824
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For more complicated authoring, I've used DVD-lab PRO, which is pretty easy to use and quite powerful. However I did once have a problem with it not recognising a text file containing timecodes of desired chapter stops.
Scenarist is, of course, the industry standard. I've never used it - the version I had, when I tried to install, turned out to be a trojan (bloody Suprnova
