Moth3r

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Post: #252941
Topic: Good capture card?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252941/action/topic#252941
Time: 23-Oct-2006 7:17 AM

VirtualVCR is a nice little capturing application, but I've found that is can sometime lose audio sync. VirtualDub is better in this respect.

If your VHS tapes are slightly stretched or have video dropouts, you may still get dropped frames in your capture even if your hardware is fast enough.

I'd recommend using the huffyuv codec for capturing losslessly, then frameserving to CCE with AviSynth. If you're going to be applying some AviSynth noise reduction filters, these can be real system killers, so a fast CPU is essential.

Post: #252934
Topic: The Puggo Edition - webpage and screenshots (Super 8 transfers - Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252934/action/topic#252934
Time: 23-Oct-2006 4:41 AM

Originally posted by: MoveAlong
Isn't Super 8's frame rate 18 fps?

The "Pro Super 8 with sound" format was apparently 24fps. (I asked the same question of boba feta, see:
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=6039&STARTPAGE=2)

Post: #252932
Topic: ** The OCPMovie News & Releases Megathread **
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252932/action/topic#252932
Time: 23-Oct-2006 4:25 AM

But is it uncut?

Post: #252931
Topic: Info: Auto-correction from SE colours to GOUT colours (lots of information)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252931/action/topic#252931
Time: 23-Oct-2006 4:23 AM

ColourLike filter thread @ Doom9:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=96308

Looks very interesting!

Post: #252663
Topic: Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252663/action/topic#252663
Time: 21-Oct-2006 9:56 AM

Originally posted by: Darth Mallwalker
1.014 < ROTJ < 1.015 . . . I'll call it 1.0143

I got 1.015 for RoTJ as well.

Post: #252540
Topic: Need info about IEV Turboscan T2000
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252540/action/topic#252540
Time: 20-Oct-2006 5:28 PM

This is true, which is why I said feed it composite video in my post above. (The connection from the doubler to the capture card should be s-video, of course).

Post: #252536
Topic: The Thief Trilogy
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252536/action/topic#252536
Time: 20-Oct-2006 5:16 PM

Originally posted by: Ingo Sucks
What's a spanner? It's a tool used for tightening nuts (aka a wrench). Unlike, say, a chisel or a hacksaw, it doesn't have a cutting edge. In fact, it's fair to say there are sharper tools in the box.
Originally posted by: Ingo Sucks
...how come you guys are making all these bootleg OOT DVDs and not getting in trouble for it? Hmm?

Because we don't put them up on torrent sites and post links in the forum.

Post: #252461
Topic: The Thief Trilogy
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252461/action/topic#252461
Time: 20-Oct-2006 10:45 AM

Originally posted by: Ingo Sucks
But how come you support downloading movies but enforce downloading games? That doesn't make sense.

You're a spanner.

Post: #252449
Topic: Need info about IEV Turboscan T2000
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252449/action/topic#252449
Time: 20-Oct-2006 9:27 AM

I got the impression that the s-video connections were inputs only. If you can feed it a composite video input and output s-video to your capture card, then you will be able to take advantage of the T-2000's comb filter and noise reduction.

Post: #252444
Topic: Need info about IEV Turboscan T2000
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252444/action/topic#252444
Time: 20-Oct-2006 7:57 AM

Some info here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000208094505/http://www.iev.com/products.htm

What this basically does is take an interlaced video input and converts it to progressive (they use the term IDTV - Improved Definition Television, not to be confused with the current usage of that acronym to mean integrated digital television). The progressive signal is output as RGB through VGA or BNC connectors, for connection to a monitor, projector or other progressive display.

I can't see it would be much use for capturing, because your All-in-Wonder card doesn't have an RGB input.

Post: #252333
Topic: Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252333/action/topic#252333
Time: 19-Oct-2006 5:20 PM

Originally posted by: dumb_kid

Originally posted by: Moth3r
That ESB delay looks a bit suspect. The difference between 0.992 and 0.948 is 44ms, that's just over a frame, which might be noticeable to some people.

I'll take a look this evening.

I was surprised myself... but I matched the two waveforms to the best of my ability at several points across the entire film and got fairly consistent results. It'll be interesting see your results

I've just checked, and found the delay to be 0.948-0.949s.

Maybe I altered the WAV by mistake when I ripped it? I think we need a third opinion.

Post: #252259
Topic: Star Wars Trilogy - Original Theatrical Versions: 2006 DVD Flaw List
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252259/action/topic#252259
Time: 19-Oct-2006 11:53 AM — Edited 18-Jan-2011 3:43 AM

Well the 2006 DVD release has been out over a month now. As is the custom whenever Star Wars gets a release, someone has to make a list of what's wrong with it!
(List collected from various posts on the forum. Please correct any errors I've made. I'm planning on adding screenshots of the flaws at a later stage).

Since this DVD comes from the old definitive collection laserdisc master, many of the flaws mentioned here are equally as relevant.

The DVNR or dirt concealment process that was used in mastering the THX laserdiscs caused a plethora of motion artefacts - trails, detail smearing and ghosting of bright images onto succeeding shots. Since the same master was used for these DVDs, the same effects are visible.
Since the transfer is non-anamorphic, widescreen TV owners will need to select the "zoom" display mode to view in the correct aspect ratio (sometimes also called "cinema" mode). This results in Greedo's subtitles being lost off the bottom of the screen. Although some TVs have a "subtitle zoom" display mode that will fix this, this causes the "letterboxed" portion of the screen to be postioned higher up. Having unsymettrical black bars is aesthetically displeasing.
Greedo's subtitle for the line "it's too late" is missing from the PAL region 2/4 discs.
A distracting left/right wobble - known as "gate weave" - is present on this transfer. This is caused by enlargement of the film sprocket holes over time. For Star Wars, the shot of the original theatrical opening crawl and Star Destroyer flyby is a new transfer (the laserdisc featured the "Episode IV: A New Hope" crawl). It has been reported, by someone who is an authority on visual effects, that a "fake" gate weave has been added to this first element. Perhaps this was in order to match the look of the new element to the natural weave present in the rest of the transfer.
A problem with horizontal field movement during the telecine process caused 'jaggies' in the Definitive Collection transfer. Instead of fixing this properly, i.e. making a sub-pixel horizontal adjustment between the fields, the DVD has been mastered with a vertical blur to mask the jaggie effect.
IVTC errors - the master video will have had 3:2 pulldown applied to produce the NTSC framerate of 29.97fps. For the DVD, the video was inverse telecined (IVTCed) to convert to 23.976fps. Unfortunately there were some cadence errors in the master, resulting in some flickering artefacts on R2D2 in the scene with Ben and Luke after the Sandpeople attack. These artefacts are visible when viewing on a computer or a progressive display.
The image on the DVD is extremely grainy. Opinions vary on this - take your pick:
- artificial "grain" has been deliberately added to the image
- it's a by-product of sharpening applied to the laserdisc masters
- the films have always been grainy, it just looks worse on DVD because this format reproduces more detail
The PAL (region 2/4) DVDs are upscaled from the NTSC masters. Not necessarily a flaw, however this is a very lazy practice in DVD mastering. An equivalent PAL master was used for the 1995 laserdisc releases in France and Germany; this master could have been used for the PAL DVDs.
The German audio track was faulty on some discs. In chapter 13 of ANH when Luke, Han & Chewie wait for the elevator to the detention area, the announcements in the background are missing - as well as the lines "Ich kann in diesem Helm überhaupt nichts sehen (I can't see a thing in this helmet)", "Das wird nicht funktionieren (This is not gonna work)", "Warum hast du das nicht gleich gesagt? (Why didn't you say so before?)" and "Ich habe es gesagt (I did say so before)". A replacement disc with fixed German audio is available from 20th Century Fox Home Entertainmemt by emailing info@tcfhe.de.

Post: #252232
Topic: Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252232/action/topic#252232
Time: 19-Oct-2006 6:25 AM

That ESB delay looks a bit suspect. The difference between 0.992 and 0.948 is 44ms, that's just over a frame, which might be noticeable to some people.

I'll take a look this evening.

Post: #252018
Topic: Ghosting problem
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/252018/action/topic#252018
Time: 18-Oct-2006 3:51 PM

I think this is a common problem with the D704 and CLV discs. I remember Zion's original capture had similar streaking; I'll see if I can find the post.

EDIT: found it - posted by Zion on 21 December 2004. Doesn't look good I'm afraid.

Post: #251746
Topic: Info Wanted: anyone doing a GOUT Edit?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251746/action/topic#251746
Time: 17-Oct-2006 11:42 AM

People are customizing their GOUT DVDs by adding alternative audio and upscaling the video to anamorphic, but as far as I know all the ongoing fan edits (adywan, tellan, etc.) are predominantly based on the 2004 DVDs.

Post: #251701
Topic: The originaltrilogy.com acronym buster
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251701/action/topic#251701
Time: 17-Oct-2006 4:04 AM

Originally posted by: Karyudo
Or "melamine", say. Or even "vaccine".

Or do you propose we start pronouncing it "vaxini"?

Not a valid argument - these words have different roots, they are formed by the addition of the -ine suffix, meaning "a substance derived from".

Melamine comes from melam and amine, amine is a substance derived from ammonia. Vaccine comes from the latin "vacca" meaning cow. The first ever vaccine (for smallpox) was a substance derived from cowpox.

I love these forums, too.

Post: #251537
Topic: The originaltrilogy.com acronym buster
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251537/action/topic#251537
Time: 16-Oct-2006 6:07 AM

I didn't realise that the pronunciation of telecine would be such a bone of contention!

Regardless of your regional accent, the word is made up of the "teli" from television and the "sini" from cinema. My own brand of mild Derbyshire is not exactly The Queen's English, but I do say "sini-mer" (the "er" is a shwa vowel sound like - excuse the example - the ending of enema, or the beginning of ago).

Anyway - potentially another controversial issue - how many bytes are there in a gigabyte?

Post: #251534
Topic: Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251534/action/topic#251534
Time: 16-Oct-2006 5:17 AM

Originally posted by: Belbucus
With Empire, I started where the noise floor began in the waveform (which happened to be roughly a second before the Fox logo cue), thinking that this might be related to the offset required. This did not hold true for Jedi, where there were only a few milliseconds of noise floor at the head. My guess is that they will both need to be adjusted. If you were to receive a WAV file containing the first few seconds of the DVD audio with the correct delay, would you be able to tell us the exact figure to apply? Estimates on the previous file ranged from 1.000s to 1.020s. (Although, TBH I don't think a difference of 20ms is noticeable.)

Originally posted by: Belbucus
Perhaps both. The PCM of Empire is audibly and visibly more dynamic. I also came across at least one example where the actual timbre was different. That's strange, since both tracks are from the same source. So in theory, an AC-3 track properly encoded from your PCM audio could sound better than the actual DVD!
Originally posted by: Belbucus
I’ve never heard a db figure associated with this, I’d be curious as to the source. If it’s a Dolby standard, then it’s likely referenced to 0 db = 85dbc in a properly calibrated theater (or home theater). Dialogue level is a great absolute in setting playback level. I heard it referred to once as “associated level”. While nobody really knows how loud an exploding sail barge is, everybody has very much the same notion as to where a comfortable dialogue level should sit, because it’s something everybody can “associate” with.

This comes from the guides on Dolby's website, but a summary of the procedures can be found on the Doom9 forums.
Originally posted by: Belbucus
I don’t remember making the statement but that’s nothing new. If I did, I would have been wrong. From a glance at the waveform it appears to be the least dynamic of all – including the mono mix. Maybe the thinking at the time was to optimize it for the “pre-home theater” / lower-volume crowd – who knows?

My bad with the dynamic range comment. What you actually said was that you expected the '85 mix to have a wider stereo image and more low frequency content. Does this ring true?

Post: #251532
Topic: Sluggo's Halloween Photoshop PiF Contest
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251532/action/topic#251532
Time: 16-Oct-2006 4:23 AM

Doesn't qualify as a contest entry, but:

WTF?

Post: #251456
Topic: Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251456/action/topic#251456
Time: 15-Oct-2006 6:25 PM

Belbucus - just thought of another question: you said previously you expected the '85 mix would have more dynamic range than the '77 mix. Is this the case?

And I presume it's not as dynamic as the 70mm-derived '93 mix?

Post: #251455
Topic: Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251455/action/topic#251455
Time: 15-Oct-2006 6:23 PM

Dunedain - note we do not talk about the illegal distribution of material available at retail on this forum. Sharing a PCM audio track only available on an obsolete laserdisc is fine. Talking about full DVDs with video copied from a retail release is not.

As far as this forum is concerned, you should make your own custom DVD from the files and guides available.

Post: #251434
Topic: Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251434/action/topic#251434
Time: 15-Oct-2006 4:44 PM

Have you synched Empire and Jedi so that no padding is required at the beginning this time?

On Empire, you say that sonically it is superior to the GOUT audio. Is the sub-standard GOUT audio due to a difference in the transfer or mix, or just the effects of compression to 192kbps AC-3?

FYI, Dolby Digital soundtracks are mastered so that the "normal" listening level of dialogue (where people are speaking in a normal voice) is at -31 dB.

Post: #251387
Topic: Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/251387/action/topic#251387
Time: 15-Oct-2006 9:41 AM

Originally posted by: Dunedain
If anyone can help with getting a dual-layer DVD with this Definitive Collection PCM soundtrack from Belbucus accurately sync'd up in place of the DD 2.0 soundtrack on the 2006 "A New Hope" DVD, and with the foreign language soundtracks and LEGO preview removed, but everything else from the 2006 "A New Hope" DVD (including the original menus) left intact and unaltered, to go along with the official 2006 Star Wars DVD set that I already own, please PM me. Thanks very much for any help!

There is some useful information about ripping and reauthoring in the threads about converting the DVDs to anamorphic widescreen.

Have a look through:
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=6462
and
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=12&threadid=6486

If you need any more help, post a question in the technical help forum.

Post: #250918
Topic: The originaltrilogy.com acronym buster
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250918/action/topic#250918
Time: 12-Oct-2006 10:16 AM — Edited 6-Jan-2020 9:07 AM

I think something like this is long overdue…

Anyway, let me know if I’ve missed anything, and if you think it’s a good idea then I’ll clean up and sticky the thread.

Laserdisc…

LD - Laserdisc
JSC, SC - Japanese Special Collection laserdiscs, released in 1986/87. Info: ANH, TESB, ROTJ.
DC, DefCol - Definitive Collection laserdisc boxed set, released in the US and Japan in 1993. Info: link.
Faces - Last laserdisc release of the OOT, in 1995. The term is used because each cover featured a different “face” on the front. Info: ANH, TESB, ROTJ.
THX - THX Ltd is a company founded by Lucas, providing quality certification for cinema and home entertainment products. (See also LOL.)
DVNR, DNR - Digital (Video) Noise Reduction, also called dirt concealment.
pre-THX - Refers to SW laserdisc releases prior to 1993.
X0 - Pioneer HLD-X0 laserdisc player
XO - Basically means “please flame me Zion”.
XØ - Possibly as a result of the above, Zion developed a fetish for Scandinavian vowels.

DVD…

AC3, AC-3 - Adaptive Transform Coder 3, better known as Dolby Digital, is an audio coding algorithm developed by Dolby Labs.
DD - Dolby Digital, see AC-3. (Sometimes also used with channel configuration, e.g. DD 5.1 or DD 2.0 surround)
VOB - Video Object, one of the filetypes that make up DVD video.
FCP - Final Cut Pro
CCE - Cinema Craft Encoder

Technical…

AD - Audio Description
ADR - dubbing (Additional Dialogue Recording or Automated Dialogue Replacement)
BD - Blu-ray Disc
BR - British Rail, the operator of most of the rail transport in Great Britain between 1948 and 1997. When this abbreviation is used in the context of optical disc formats it’s finger-breaking time.
LD - Laserdisc
DVD - Digital Versatile Disc
VCD - Video Compact Disc
SVCD - Super Video Compact Disc
HD, HDTV - High Definition television (720p, 1080i, 1080p)
SD, SDTV - Standard Definition television (480i, 480p, 576i, 576p)
4K - usually twice the resolution of Full HD - Wiki link
UHD (TV) - usually 3840 × 2160 resolution Wiki link
UHD (Blu Ray) - usually 3840 × 2160 resolution Wiki link
PCM - Pulse-code modulation, method of storing audio in uncompressed digital form.
MP3 - MPEG-1 Audio Layer 3, a digital audio encoding format, designed to give much smaller file sizes than PCM but still sound like a faithful reproduction of the original.
PAL - Phase Alternating Line, television broadcast standard used in Europe and Oceania, also used to describe digital video specs compatible with this system.
NTSC - National Television System Committee, television broadcast standard used in North America and Japan, also used to describe digital video specs compatible with this system.
TC -
(1) - Telecine, process of transferring film onto video. (Note: pronounced “teli-sini” not “teli-seen”)
(2) - Time Code, counter displaying hours, minutes, seconds and frame.
IVTC - Inverse telecine, conversion of 3:2 pulldowned NTSC video at 29.97 frames per second back into progressive video at 23.976 frames per second.

Other…

IRC - Internet Relay Chat. Check out our channel #originaltrilogy on undernet.
COSI - Center of Science and Industry (had a Star Wars exhibit, apparently).
C&D - Cease and desist, a United States legal term essentially meaning “to halt” or “to end”.
PM - Private Message.

Community…

ADM - ADigitalMan
DE - Darth Editous
OCP - Orange Cow Productions, Garrett Gilchrist (ocpmovie).
JD - Jambe Davdar
MBJ - MeBeJedi
TM - Trooperman
bh - babyhum
DJ, d_j - dark_jedi
dfnyc - digitalfreaknyc
LM - Laserman
AWK - Adam Wankenobi
MV - mverta
Hal - Hal 9000
mods - the moderators (the Guardians Of Peace & Justice throughout the site - or those fascist overbearing buzzkilling ****s - & sometimes both 😉

Distribution…

PIF - Pay It Forward. You send out a disc to a person in return for a pledge from that person to send out (usually three) more copies to others, who then in turn each send out 3 more discs, and so on.
B&P - blanks and postage. DVDs are sent out on receipt of blank discs and a nominal contribution to cover shipping costs only.
a.b.sw - The newsgroup alt.binaries.starwars
P2P - peer-to-peer filesharing
BT - Bittorrent

Star Wars…

GL - George Lucas
LFL - Lucasfilm Ltd
PT - Prequel Trilogy
OT - Original Trilogy
OOT, O-OT - Original Original Trilogy, used for a long time to describe the original Star Wars Trilogy as opposed to the Special Editions.
ST - Sequel Trilogy
SE - Special Editions
OUT - Original Unaltered Trilogy, a new marketing term used to describe the OOT.
GOUT - George’s Original Unaltered Trilogy, used to distinguish the official 2006 DVD bonus disk releases from the former fan preservations.
SW - Star Wars
ANH - A New Hope
TESB, ESB - The Empire Strikes Back
ROTJ - Return of the Jedi
TPM - The Phantom Menace
AOTC - Attack of the Clones
ROTS - Revenge of the Sith
TFA - The Force Awakens
TLJ - The Last Jedi
TROS - The Rise Of Skywalker
R1, RO - Rogue One
CW - Clone Wars (refers to 2003 animated series by Genndy Tartakovsky)
TCW - The Clone Wars (refers to the 2008 animated series and also the 2008 theatrical film)
GFFA - Galaxy far far away - referring to the Star Wars universe
CPY - Creepy Puppet Yoda (referring to the Yoda form used in The Phantom Menace - later replaced by CGI Yoda)
KK - Kathleen Kennedy
JJ - JJ Abrams
GE - Gareth Edwards
RJ - Rian Johnson

General Internet… (only the most common shown here)

AFAIK - As far as I know
LLOL - A lot laughing out loud
FAQ - Frequently Asked Question
FTFE, FTFEO - Fixed that for everyone
FTFY - Fixed that for you
FWIW - For what it’s worth
HTH - Hope this helps
IDK - I don’t know
IIRC - If I recall correctly
IMO/IMHO - In my opinion / In my humble opinion
LOL - Laughing Out Loud
OMG - Oh my God
POV - Point of view
PSA - Public service announcement
Q&A - Questions & Answers
QFT - Quoted for truth
RTFM - Read the f@@king manual
STFU - Shut the f@@k up
TBH - To be honest
TIA - Thanks in advance
TL;DR - Too long / lazy; didn’t read. Used to describe a forum post that’s too long, or too difficult to read due to it being typed in all capitals (Dayv) or all lowercase (skyjedi).
TYT - Take your time
WIP - Work in progress
WIR - What I read
WFM - Works for me
WYSI - What you see is - or… When you see it
WYSIWYG - What you see is what you get
YMMD - You made my day
YMMV - Your mileage may vary
WUM - Wind up merchant (a troll, someone who is intentionally trying to bait or illicit a reaction)

Your online search engine of choice may well be of some assistance - along with sites like www.abbreviations.com/ & https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ & https://www.urbandictionary.com/ too.

Post: #250895
Topic: Info: Auto-correction from SE colours to GOUT colours (lots of information)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250895/action/topic#250895
Time: 12-Oct-2006 7:07 AM

Some pretty bad burn marks visible on those frames...