Monroville

TheBoost said:

Monroville said:

REGARDING DARTH GREVIOUS:
regardless of changing him to a rebuilt Maul, could we at least have Obi-Wan kill him by force projecting an object into his guts, as opposed to shooting him with a gun?  Didn't Obi-Wan have a general disdain for guns anyways (ie his conversation with Han in ANH)? 

 

 I think Obi's disdain for guns is evident in the scene, and gives it a little humor. "How uncivilized."

UGH!  I would still ditch the gun; I would rather Obi use his skill in the force to take down an enemy dependent on technology than have Obi ditch the Force to kill him in not just a boring fashion but in a way that negated the entire fight before it.  As in: why didn't he just pack heat and do an Indiana Jones and shoot him to begin with?  The really bad pun-ny one-liner just makes it worse (especially with the way Ewan says it).

In fact, I would be for getting rid of just about ALL the stupid one-liners, as in: Hayden glowering at Ewan is enough to show me he hates him as opposed to him actually having to SAY "I hate you!"  It's as if half the script is needless exposition that tells us what we can already figure out.

corellian77 said:

^ I don't think speederbikes would make for a logical addition to the Battle of Hoth.  Their use makes sense in ROTJ because, given the density of the forest, they are the only real means of transportation (aside from the AT-STs).  On Hoth, however, any Imperial trooper riding a bike would be an easy target for the rebels.  The idea for the Empire here isn't speed, it's defensibility while making a frontal assault (which is where the AT-ATs, with their impenetrable armour, comes in).

WHA?!?!?!

So it makes more sense to have speeder bikes in a dense forest of huge trees that you can run into and kill yourself in less than 10 seconds from starting your bike, as opposed to a snow planet that has nice flat fields to fly around it without running into anything (other than the falling AT-ATs and snowspeeders).  Speeder bikes are also fast and extremely small, making them HARDER targets than the large and slow AT-ATs, which would be a priority to destroy more than speeder bikes.

Granted, I don't think I would want to see speeder bikes just because it could clutter things up (though if someone could do a test to show what it could look like...).  I still like the earlier idea of having snow troopers bailing out of the AT-AT that falls down from Wedge's cable though, as well as maybe showing them repelling out the side of an AT-AT in a later shot (maybe) or debarking in some fashion.

EDIT- looks like I got beat to the punch again.

- someone mentioned in the EMPIRE AND JEDI WISHLIST: what if the Emperor's tower on the DS 2 looked like the Jedi temple?  Well what if the Jedi temple/floating city looked like this (as in: the Emperor's tower is already mocking/copying the design of the Jedi temple)?

Still say put the tower in the center of the dish array regardless.

Bingowings said:

I have a kitchen drawer full of knives which could be used as weapons but that doesn't make Chateau Bingowings a hidden fortress.

You know, it's funny that you mention that (jeez, I had to laugh at that one): I have both CONAN sword replicas (the sharp ones from Marto) and a few helmets!

Don't know if that would make my place a fortress but just imagine the look on that robbers face with me charging down the steps with the 300 helmet on and the CONAN Father's sword.

REGARDING THE ROBOTS:
okay, I can see that, though it may be the thing that works in motion.  I still say get rid of the beady "eyes" on the regular battle droids and replace them with the head you made for the super battle droids (a single red eye going across like Robocop?)  Anything to make them more menacing and less goofy.

I would also consider editing off the "hang dog" ears on the regular battle droids.

REGARDING DARTH GREVIOUS:
regardless of changing him to a rebuilt Maul, could we at least have Obi-Wan kill him by force projecting an object into his guts, as opposed to shooting him with a gun?  Didn't Obi-Wan have a general disdain for guns anyways (ie his conversation with Han in ANH)? 

I would also suggest changing Count Dooku's name to something that didn't correspond to feces (Zhuuku, Zaku, ?)

Bingowings said:

Looking at those battledroids a couple of obvious configurations spring to mind which might add a bit of variety and interest to them from time to time through out the prequels.

Not sure about the top one but I do like the bottom one, in that it would make the droids more consistent.  I would still make the droids silver with the red eyes though (maybe a lighter, more reflective shade than the one you have here, Bingo)

ben_danger said:

i guess a problem with making alderaan/naboo capital would be two things though,

 

a) queen of naboo/alderaan, would that make her leader of the republic? or does naboo just act as a standing area for the senate

b) when naboo gets invaded by trade federation (or proto seperatists) i would expect a greater responce, unless the republic was too afraid to ask, and the jedi were acting more as infiltrators.

 

Padme Organa....hmm, if only we could change her first name to flow better.

(1) She would be queen of Alderaan, but act as a representative of her world as other queens/kings/leaders would when departing to the (in essence) UN building on Coruscant. 

Maybe some editing could be done to show an extra building in the Naboo/Alderaan capital so as to distinguish the palace the Queen lives in and the capital building that laws are made in... or better still, WERE made in. 

It could be that the senate used to be on Alderaan but was moved to Coruscant due to earlier wars that made the Senate vulnerable to attack.  A dilapidated building could be created and placed somewhere in the background in the Naboo/Alderaan city shots, as well as a line or two talking about how things have changed since the Senate moved.  This is supposed to be the dying days of the Republic: to show the once mightly capital to be serene and quiet - lightly populated streets where thousands live where millions used to, electronic ad signs that are off due to shopping areas that have closed down due to most everyone in the capital moving to where the business is, to where it is the capital in name only now...

The Prequels could be just as much a tragedy about what happens to Alderaan (as symbol of the Old Republic) as it is about Padme and Anakin.

(2) this could be further enforced in the Federation's seige of Naboo/Alderaan, and further justify Palpatine's/the Emperor's move to cut Alderaan completely off and form an Empire.  I would get rid of  the "Trade" moniker and set the Federation up as a separate "Republic/Empire" that has been competing with the Republic as we know it - that would give them more power and make the Senate of the Old Republic less likely to interfere, as they are afraid that this alternate Republic could retaliate and destroy what they have left.

As such, I would get rid of the "Seperatist" movement and just replace it with the Federation: ie, Persia versus Greece, Britain versus Nazi Germany, the "Jihad" versus Europe.  The threat needs to be large in order to justify the Emperor's plans and to allow the Emperor to get away with carrying them out.  To make the threat something as big and powerful as a competing Republic would definitely scare the people into creating an empire to fend off or destroy said potential threat.

Again, use history as a guiding point: England, France, Germany and Spain all had empires throughout the past 1000 years, and they competed against each other both politically and militarily.  To justify the Federation attacking and cutting off Alderaan and the Senate on Coruscant to do nothing about it would be like the vandals wiping out Rome as the Eastern Empire (with Constantinople as the capital) watched and did nothing to intervene. 

The Jedi (like the knights Templar) could be considered to be not quite the police, but almost like an entire army or culture of Kane's from KUNG FU the tv show.  They would help out and support the actual police and/or armies of the Republic, but had the power to make their own conscious choice to act in support or not (yet one more reason people may not like the Jedi - maybe more recently they tend to stay out of things and let bad things happen, or the Jedi have a history of being unpredictable in just WHEN they would help and when they would stay out due to their "religious beliefs").

(3) Padme Organa - well, I would say it flows better than Django Fett (or some of the other goofy SW names).  Padme was a more common name (maybe for just those who knew her - friends and family maybe?), so it would be more like Amidala Organa as far as the official name.

Vaderios:
also remember that by the time of A NEW HOPE, it is a good 20 years after ROTS.  If Alderaan had spent what little of its military to fight the Federation seige as well as any other raids upon it after its weakened political state, it wouldn't have had much of a military left.  Even so, as it was posted above, it seemed all they had were a handful of fighters - no match for a Death Star.

ben_danger said:

all good ideas Monroville, though not too keen on coruscant/alderaan change. i would love to see the naboo/alderaan change, and renaming padme organa might not be too difficult as most people who call her 'amidalla' at some point also talk to bail organa, so a simple line swap may work?

Well, I would stick with the Naboo/Alderaan, and make "Alderaan" the capital and Coruscant the "economic hub" ala New York city.

The idea of the Emperor cutting Alderaan off and making the economic center of the new Empire the new capital I think would help to further illustrate the degree of Palpatine's effect on the entire STAR WARS culture, not to mention the visuals would help to further define the change as well (the former capital of the Republic being beautiful like an Italian villa; whereas the Empire's capital is all BLADE RUNNEResque: mechanical, dirty, industrial).

One of many ideas I had regarding the Jedi in the Prequels was to establish that they were more formal and eloquent.  There "dress uniform" should be more colorful or at least color coded to a degree ala belt colors in martial arts, but with entire robes with Jedis.  The true masters would have their unique robes to distinguish not just their mastery with the Force, but their own unique approach and connection to it (ie Wing Chun, Fung Shue, Karate, Aikido, etc - there is no ONE martial arts, but thousands of approaches). 

The whole "brown robes" is a misnomer in that when BEN Kenobi and Yoda were wearing them in ANH and EMPIRE, they are regular clothes worn by those who were in exile simply living the rest of their lives in anonimity.  Thus, the clothing Yoda and all other Jedi wear should be anything BUT drab - even Buddist monks wear bright orange robes.

Also, would it be possible to show groups of Jedi (say far away in the background of the Coruscant city shots) flying in groups or formations?  If they can lift X-wings and other heavy objects (regardless of mass and weight) then they should be able to lift themselves quite effortlessly - at least the more skilled such as the masters.

Also also, the idea of the Jedi temple being a floating city (ala the hawkmen in FLASH GORDON) like this:


http://www.skyscraperlife.com/general-architecture/17548-concept-floating-lilypad-city.html (for more images)



not so much floating on water as in the air: it would also help establish the situation the Jedi are in with the rest of the culture (their heads are "in the clouds", lording it up above society, watching down upon them, who do they think they are?, detached and maybe becoming apathetic after having watched, observed, policed, meddled with, guided and forced the Republic for so long)






- someone mentioned in the EMPIRE AND JEDI WISHLIST: what if the Emperor's tower on the DS 2 looked like the Jedi temple?  Well what if the Jedi temple/floating city looked like this?


In fact, to show the Jedi "temple" to be relatively pastoral like the capital of Alderaan/Naboo, and to have this pastoral city floating above a more dangerously looking, industrialized and ugly looking Coruscant could further visualize the disconnect with the rest of "modern" society and the "old fashioned" and "evangelically religious" Jedi.

Okay folks,

I'm going to create a list ala the ESB:R list I have regarding the Prequel ideas.  I will separate them by movie and scene (just like the ESB:R list) so as to better keep track of ideas and suggestions.

Something else I would like to include is explanations as to the ideas as well (albeit keeping them somewhat breif - a paragraph or so for the big ideas); that way if and when Adywan or anyone else peruses the list, it won't just be a matter of said idea being there, but an explanation so they can get the gist of where the idea is coming from.

For example:
I agree with changing Naboo or Coruscant to Alderaan for multiple reasons:

If you change Naboo to Alderaan:
(1) Naboo is just a stupid name; sounds childish and very MORK AND MINDY -NOT the sci-fi I want STAR WARS to be referencing
(2) would give Leia's homeworld (as glimpsed in A NEW HOPE) some back story as well as some face time.
(3) already establishes Leia's mother as a queen, being that she is PRINCESS Leia (on that note, get rid of the stupid "I was VOTED queen again" bit).  There is nothing saying that Amidala's last name cannot be Organa, and that Bail isn't a brother or relative that the daughter is given to at the end of ROTS.  It could still mess with Vader capturing Leia in ANH, but also remember that Anakin/Vader didn't even know Amidala was pregnant to begin with.
(4) it would mean Tarkin was testing Vader just as much as Leia when targeting the world his former self met his former lover.

If you change Coruscant to Alderaan:
(1) it would give significance to Tarkin destroying Alderaan, as it would suggest Tarkin's own move to replace the Emperor by destroying the former capital of the old republic.
(2) which then goes back to the original script of STAR WARS, whereas Alderaan is indeed the capital of the Empire/Republic.

Even then, there is nothing saying that Naboo/Alderaan (Washington D.C. or more to the point, more like a lot of state capitals which have relatively small cities) could be the capital of the Republic, whereas Coruscant (New York, Singapore or Hong Kong) is the economic hub of the Republic - in fact, that could be another plot point in AOTC or ROTS: that the new Emperor makes Coruscant the new capital to further signify the "cutting off" of Alderaan and the Old Republic, as well as the shift from a more pastoral society and cultural outlook to one of economic and industrial growth, size and menace.

Also remember that the UN building is in New York, not Washington D.C. - which establishes why the Senate would/could be in the economic heart of the Republic as opposed to the capital.

My main point is that the beauty of the Prequels should have been to give us some dread as to showing us things we know are going to end badly, as well as add an extra layer to the original trilogy.  By giving back stories to more than just Luke and Vader it gives the whole universe the same amount of life and motivation.

To have Tarkin destroy the peaceful and defenceless Alderaan showed him to be evil; to have him target the former capital of the Old Republic shows that he has plans bigger than what is seen on screen (it could also imply that Tarkin is tempted by the idea of using the Death Star as his ticket to the throne, which in turn could be where Vader learned how to be devious himself in his plot to overthrow the Emperor with his son by his side - hence the idea for JEDI on the JEDI WISHLIST thread)

Speaking of Tarkin, if there was a way to not just edit in scenes of Peter Cushing from earlier movies (Hammer or otherwise) to fill in the scenes where his character is present, if there was a way to show him in essence rescuing Vader at the Lava planet to explain his loyalty to Tarkin (Tarkin had to have done something that would have built so much loyalty for Vader to essentially serve by HIS side, as opposed to the Emperor's).

vaderios said:

Monroville said:

(3) Making Grevious into Maul would give Maul "more to do" as well as:
(a) make the fight between Grevious/Maul and Obi Wan a little more personal - being that it would mean Obi having to face the guy who killed his master once again
(b) give further explanation to Grevious' lightsabre stuff (as in: he has the skill to operate a lightsabre much less has multiple sabres because he has always been a Sith Lord hunting Jedi between TPM and AOTC)
(c) would serve as a nice lead-up to what is going to happen to Vader (ie the Sith never throw anything away, or unlike the Jedi who believe in an afterlife/reincarnation, the Sith are athiests who believe in the here-and-now and use technology to prolong their physical life as long as possible - all of which would further develop the culture of the Jedi and Sith just by altering Grevious' appearance and name).

After this Explaining im starting like the idea of maul grievous.

How about Grievous has Red lightsabers?

With some dialogue changing and we have a new cool villain.

 

-Angel

 

I would do as suggested by someone earlier and make ALL Jedi lightsabres BLUE (this would match A NEW HOPE in that both Ben's lightsabre and Luke's/Luke's Father's lightsabre was blue as well) and all of the Sith's to be red.

What you could do is make 3 of them blue (maybe do something with the sabre design, so each is destinct) with one of them to look like the split dual red sabre Maul had at the end of his fight with Obi-Wan in TPM (that could be the last sabre Grevious/Maul pulls out - as in the "give away" to Obi-Wan that it is indeed Maul "reincarnated/rebuilt")

EDIT - I'm not saying have Darth Grevious with Mauls' dual sabre but carrying one half of it, since it was split in two by Obi Wan in their first duel.

vaderios said:

Monroville said:

(3) Making Grevious into Maul would give Maul "more to do" as well as:
(a) make the fight between Grevious/Maul and Obi Wan a little more personal - being that it would mean Obi having to face the guy who killed his master once again
(b) give further explanation to Grevious' lightsabre stuff (as in: he has the skill to operate a lightsabre much less has multiple sabres because he has always been a Sith Lord hunting Jedi between TPM and AOTC)
(c) would serve as a nice lead-up to what is going to happen to Vader (ie the Sith never throw anything away, or unlike the Jedi who believe in an afterlife/reincarnation, the Sith are athiests who believe in the here-and-now and use technology to prolong their physical life as long as possible - all of which would further develop the culture of the Jedi and Sith just by altering Grevious' appearance and name).

After this Explaining im starting like the idea of maul grievous.

How about Grievous has Red lightsabers?

With some dialogue changing and we have a new cool villain.

 

-Angel

 

One, I would do as suggested by someone earlier and make ALL Jedi lightsabres BLUE (this would match A NEW HOPE in that both Ben's lightsabre and Luke's/Luke's Father's lightsabre was blue as well) and all of the Sith's to be red.

What you could do is make 3 of them blue (maybe do something with the sabre design, so each is distinct) with one of them to look like the split dual red sabre Maul had at the end of his fight with Obi-Wan in TPM (that could be the last sabre Grevious/Maul pulls out - as in the "give away" to Obi-Wan that it is indeed Maul "reincarnated/rebuilt")

Bingo:
this is okay, as long as we don't get carried away.  The problem is to NOT to make 20 posts re-answering the same question and flooding the threads.  I will post this on the RADICAL PREQUEL thread as well.

Chrille said:

Those who defend the battle usually say that the ewoks were loosing, that it was only Chewie stealing the scout walker that changed the course and brought the battle arround. Fair enough, but the movie does not convey this fact. Before that point, the movie shows plenty of ewoks ambushing storm troopers, but only a measly 1 ewok gets killed. Compare that to the novel, where the ewoks are almost slaughtered, but their great strenght in numbers assures that they keep on coming.

I'm not sure if and how Ady would do it, but ROTJ would benefit greatly from cutting the silliest, most unconvincing parts, and somehow add many more ewok causulties. Not that we need to linger on them, like with Corpsey (yes, that's his name apparantly), but just show it passing. How that would be done is another matter though.

Could you imagine a scene similar to SPARTACUS or GLORY, with droves of Ewok bodies piled all around?

I could see equating the Ewoks to how the Chinese fought in the Korean War: they would have three waves of soldiers attack the Americans.  The first wave had no weapons; the second would carry the guns, but were ordered not to shoot; the third wave would pick up the guns from the dead second wave and overrun the American camps due to, by that time, the guns the Americans were shooting with were warping due to the constant firing and the barrels turning red hot.

Showing explosions with multiple Ewok bodies flying out of them or showing stormtroopers line up and fire a volley into a wave of Ewoks... ah, the possibilites....

TheBoost said:

I get your point here Bingo, but I also feel where Axia is coming from.

Ever get the feeling that a lot of fans would rather the entire movie (all six) just be packed with silent, black cloaked killing machines?

Boba Fett- He does nothing, but be silent and imply violence.  The only thing he actually accomplishes is sneaks after the Falcon, and yet he's practically worshipped. We need to edit ROTJ so that he lives, sells the Death Star plans, and hopefully kills more people.

Maul- Dressed in black, rarely spoke, killed people. He's called a 'wasted character' as if the whole PT should have been based on him.

Greivous- Would have been much better if he was black, didn't talk, and killed more people. Forget that the major plot point of Ep. III is that Grievous is always running away. It's even better if he was actually Darth Maul reincarnated. And killed more.

Ewoks- Less Ewokeese, more eating people.

Chewie- Should be shown to actually rip off peoples arms.

C3P0- Needs claws.

Palpatine- In my edit he's not Chancellor. He just walks into the Senate, kills everyone, and only has one line "I'm the Emperor now, bitches."

Heh, heh, I know where you're coming from.

To me, it's not a matter of just adding in a bunch of "black cloaked killing machines" so much as adding at least a BIT of seriousness to those things that... well,... we just can't take that seriously.

(1) Boba Fett became cool due to the Holiday Special cartoon and all of the comic book appearances before and after EMPIRE, which is how he became a cool character (not to mention all of the cool adventures we kiddie fans put the "action figure" through).  JEDI completely trashed what was done by fans (thus the things you mention WOULD be cool as it would re-align Boba to what most fans wanted to see out of the character)

(2) Darth Maul had the potential to be cool like Boba, but again was wasted in the same movie that introduced him: so no comic book stories or animated features with a few years from introduction to lame death to build him up.

(3) Making Grevious into Maul would give Maul "more to do" as well as:
(a) make the fight between Grevious/Maul and Obi Wan a little more personal - being that it would mean Obi having to face the guy who killed his master once again (as well as put a new spin when Obi fights Vader on the DS in A NEW HOPE)
(b) give further explanation to Grevious' lightsabre stuff (as in: he has the skill to operate a lightsabre much less has multiple sabres because he has always been a Sith Lord hunting Jedi between TPM and AOTC)
(c) would serve as a nice lead-up to what is going to happen to Vader (ie the Sith never throw anything away, or unlike the Jedi who believe in an afterlife/reincarnation, the Sith are athiests who believe in the here-and-now and use technology to prolong their physical life as long as possible - all of which would further develop the culture of the Jedi and Sith just by altering Grevious' appearance and name).

(4) Ewoks.  Could they get any SILLIER?  I mean they DO defeat the GALACTIC EMPIRE and all.... is it too much to ask to give them some teeth to at least explain HOW they are able to defeat the Empire?

(5) ehh... I don't know if the opportunity ever arises other than when he's choking Lando (and what can you do?  Have Chewie pop his head off or squeeze his neck so hard his eyes pop out?)

(6) 3PO with claws... mmmmm

(7) well that would have made things a hell of a lot more simpler, wouldn't it? 

Hmm, in fact, that could be a plot point: Palpatine sets the Senate up as traitors to the Republic by leaking evidence showing them secretly backing the Federation and/or rebellion against the Republic (you know, just like how it's looking like the Democrats/Republicans caused the economic crisis to happen just so we can have the excuse to push the entire country to socialism/fascism?).  Through public support, he has them all executed - anything to align the Prequels with Roman (or current) history would be good in my book.

vaderios said:

Monroville said:

For those who like the Darth Grevious (Maul) idea, what about giving him Maul's eyes in these shots?  Maybe make the close-up match the "gun metal" look as well?

 

The gunmetal grey color will lose its grayness from the surounding environment colors.

 

-Angel

I can see that; maybe give him a polished silver look? 

I also understand that there is the strong possibility of making the robots (and Grevious/Maul) to come across as alternate Cylons (which themselves were in essence based on Herbert's DUNE "prequel" so to speak), which... come to think of it... wouldn't necessarily be a BAD thing, since one of the things I found to be the weak link in the Prequels was the LACK of any reference to those things that inspired Lucas to make STAR WARS to begin with.

I would gladly welcome any reference to other previous works (sci-fi or other, 20th century or even earlier literary works) provided that said ideas were used well.

PS: If this look doesn't work for (Darth) Grevious, then maybe the other robots could get the "cylon" treatment?

vaderios said:

When vader was interrogating leia it says that his red eyes glowing behind the mask. We can use this to Grievous legacy.

-Angel

For those who like the Darth Grevious (Maul) idea, what about giving him Maul's eyes in these shots?  Maybe make the close-up match the "gun metal" look as well?

DuTwan said:

Hey guys just thought i would share my idea of super battle droids with u, normal battle droids are coming soon lol.

Maybe you could give all the droid army red eyes?  Or maybe instead of making these guys blacker, make them "redder" and with the glowing red eyes, ala Max:



anything to make them stand out from the clone troopers - in fact, maybe each company or platoon of robots could have a slightly different color, so when they are being controlled from above, it would be easy to tell each group apart from each other.

Also, has anyone thought of adding a Chris Foss look to anything in the Prequels?

http://www.chrisfoss.net/gallery1.htm
http://www.altanen.dk/Gallery-Main.htm

sketchrob said:

Awesme tho personally ive always been more akin to a gun metal type of color..

 

I agree: it fits with it being a "prototype" to Vader (regardless of whether Grevious becomes a pieced-together Maul or not).

Also, could you make the flesh around his eyes (and for those editors out there, maybe the rest of this body when we see it) pinkish and white, ala Vader without his helmet?

Darth Piccolo said:

here's one when luke is falling, can he make it look less fake

I think that has something to do with:

(1) the speed with which Luke falls
(2) his clothes aren't flapping in the wind.  Maybe one could take other scenes of people falling an incorporate them into EMPIRE (I'm thinking about the end of OPEN YOUR EYES/ ABRE LOS OJOS, when Eduardo Noriega jumps off the building - you never see his face and it is VERY convincing).

Bingowings said:

This change would make the Ewok's less cuddly and set them up as the sort of creatures that could take on the Empire (and also remove a cheap gag at the expense of Chewie's stomach...or give it a more icky undertone).

 

Okay, THATS what I'm talkin about!  The dialogue could be edited slightly and maybe some catini-izing could be done to Han (with the eyebrows - give him a worried/sick look; nothing TOO much, but enough to show they recognize a human (albeit an Imperial human) head.

And you HAVE to keep the flesh hanging out of it for it to really work.

To add to Bingo's comments, remember we've had in STAR WARS so far:
(1) sliced off arm
(2) multiple Jawa bodies (which are then thrown into a fire)
(3) charred skeletons of Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen (with crispy flesh still on them)
(4) torture of Princess Leia (who knows what Vader was doing in there with her)
(5) major droid trauma (R2 getting blasted by a TIE fighter)
(6) and of course, a few billion people getting blown up (from planet and then a few million on the Death Star)
(7) Luke's bloody face after being wacked by Wampa
(8) Luke almost getting eaten by said Wampa
(9) sliced Wampa arm
(10) gratuitous Han and Chewie torture
(11) Luke loses his right hand
(12) Vader's gross exposed head

So at least the originals were known to throw in some grossness just to remind you these aren't completely meant for kids.

On a similar note, anyone thought of maybe adding a slight glow to the Ewok eyes too (not to the extent of say the Jawas, but more like the replicants in BLADE RUNNER)?  I would love to see a shot like the one where they all jump up over the tree log above the storm troopers, but darken them almost to sillouettes, give them that back-eye lighting and change their "YUU-WAA!" high pitched yell to something more gutterall or frightening.

Maybe something "like" this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqnr4hjE0e0

vaderios said:

I see George Lucas's car waiting..

No kidding visible set anyways.

If you look for a microsecond you ll see that the reflection flashes too

 

-Angel

Oh my god... is that a FENCE?!?

adywan said:

well i have had an idea of what to replace Jedi Rocks with in ROTJ

ROTJ Jedi rocks replacement

I love you man, but I should punch you from clear across the pond for that... <:O
Just for that I send you this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYQVyVyeWho

Enjoy... wait a minute... is it me or are her eyes looking in two separate directions?



In the words of Richard Pryor: Cocaine is one HELL of a drug!

I found this when searching for the pic above, and just had to add this in:

There is good entertainment, and then there is bad entertainment. Then there is the so-bad-that-it's-good zone, but the Star Wars Holiday Special occupies a hitherto undiscovered region on the spectrum. It is so bad that it saps one's will to live. It is a malignant hydra with the faces of those we know and love and a body of pure evil. Sections of the original film intercut with this lowband video mess serve only to remind you how far removed this TV 'special' is from the film in quality and budget. George Lucas has said he would like to see every copy of this show burned, but I think the original films would be better served if everyone could see this frightening example of what happens when the right characters fall into the wrong hands.
-Ben Slotover

I'm going to get some heat on this, but can we "stay on target" and not flood this thread with Monty Pythonesque banter back-and-forth for 20 messages about anything OTHER than EMPIRE:REVISITED?

If you like the Prequels, Great!  If you don't, Great!

Ady is going to do his thing eventually, and we will be there to professionally suggest.  The end.  <:D

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BTW, I think it is going to be very hard to salvage the Prequels, even more so than JEDI.  After watching JEDI again recently, I noticed that despite the rather good acting we received with the main cast from the first and second films, the line readings were a little more on the "hokey" side in JEDI - there is something that is not quite natural (the words when Mark, Carrie and Harry speak are too enunciated and slower, like talking to a child), with maybe the exception of Billy D.

The Prequels are even worse - rather than enunciating things to the point of sounding like you are reading a children's story to.. well, a child, the voice work and acting is rather flat or off in just how the emotion is put out (which I think has a lot to do with the excessive green screen usage - nothing for the actors to really react to, which was the case for Christopher Lee - he's said so himself).

So even if the editing and FX work is fixed or finagled, you can't fix the acting or the dialogue, and that is what killed the Prequels, at least for me.

Also refer to Vaderios' lightsabre reflection still images; the video has Luke's face get darker when the sabre lights his right side up (compare the orangish backlight on the right side of Luke's face to when the sabre glow begins).  In Vaderios' similar image, Luke's right side is almost white from the light.

vaderios said:

It make some sense. Credit to corellian77 and his Blueprints

-Angel

You can always move the building to the right and bring it a little closer (so we can see Leia a little better)

Something like this:



make the dome in the center glass, as well as the purple cylinder on the right edge...

here are some other building ideas (for Leia's building or background buildings):


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=564719


http://www.photoeverywhere.co.uk/west/paris/la_defence2948.JPG


http://www.betterphoto.com/uploads/processed/0819/0805082353381cruceta4.jpg
(this one could possibly be used for the Emperor's tower as well)

Sevb32 said:

Excuse the crudeness of this but I am just throwing around ideas.

I like your new building design; I say just double the window size and it could work quite well.

mumbles_ said:

Vaderios:

Then again, some lighting could be added to the hallway, or some Ridley Scott lighting effects.

 

Not exactly sure what you mean by Ridley Scott lighting (lack of lighting? lol) but I think this is a great idea, add some sort of flickering light (or would that be too ghetto?) to give some realism (ex. in the hangar bays) when it's an obvious matte. There is a scene in ROTJ which I had in mind.

Like how in BLADE RUNNER or his earlier films where he used smoke so as to shine light through it to create nice beams of light coming into the room.  A good example would be the Leon interrogation in the beginning of BR.