Mielr

Mods- this thread is sort of dying here in this forum (it has nothing to do with fan preservations anyhow).

Can it be moved to the general forum?

Thanks.

I've had a HTF account for several years, so I had to go right over and speak my piece. My post:

As someone who has been one of George Lucas' best customers since the 1980s (I've lost count as to how many versions of the original Star Wars Trilogy I've purchased over the years from VHS to LD to DVD),
I feel I have a right as well as an obligation to put in my 2 cents.....

My only real concern about the upcoming blu-rays is why the 1977-1983 trilogy won't be included.

Other than that, I have no concerns nor questions about a set of films which are no longer the same films that changed the course of film history, won multiple Academy Awards, nor inspired my life-long love of film.

It is endlessly frustrating that films like Close Encounters and Blade Runner have blu-ray releases which include MULTIPLE versions of those films, films that while influential, are in no way as universally loved or revered as the '77-'83 Star Wars trilogy. Yet the films of THAT trilogy only exist on DVD (and now blu-ray, apparently) as single, yet ever-evolving, bastardized shadows of their former selves. Never mind the lack of regard for the fans who would prefer to watch the original, ground-breaking versions of these films in this wonderful new Blu-Ray format...

INSANE.

"Hate" is kind of strong, but I don't think they're "okay" either. I think they're badly made films, and I don't see myself voluntarily watching them ever again.

I can ignore the prequels and pretend they don't exist quite nicely, except that Lucas had "prequelized" the OT which is what really pisses me off.

skyjedi2005 said:


I did like the extra Bigg's scene but not the way they edited out Red Leader's remembering Luke's Jedi pilot father.

Jabba scene unnecessary but was nice to see more of Harrison Ford.

LexX said:

Bingowings said:

LexX said: Wedge & Luke scene was nice.

Sorry if I've missed something but which scene are you referring to?

During the celebration where they shake hands, if I remember correctly.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/303111/star-wars-on-blu-ray-fall-2011/1020#post_3840671

Edit: I guess I'm a little late to the purple lightsaber party. ;-)

wildcats2323 said:

Have you ever noticed some inconsistencies in the Star Wars movies?

 

He nailed it here:

"The problem isn’t just that they’ve seen Star Wars, the problem is that they all act as if they are in a Star Wars movie. They act like every word is canonical. Every action and plot device is important. Geeks will pore over details for decades to come. Except that the movies all suck, so we won’t."

Dufusyte said:

Mielr said:

sort of 'outlining' on the faces

If you have Sharpening cranked up on your display (tv) it can create rings and halos around high contrast objects. I'm suggesting this might be caused by a setting on your hardware. Try setting Sharpening = 0 on your tv.

The Aluminum Falcon said:
Mielr, about the ESB crawl, I do see a slight white outline, but I think that's a limitation of the GOUT's resolution combined with slight edge enhancement; however, as previously said, you may have your sharpness on a bit too high, as it's not that noticeable on my TV. About the end scene, yes I see what you mean, I assumed that this was an effect of the low resolution, ESB's natural dark blue tint (which was shown to be present even in theaters by the theatrical bootleg) and some DVNR smearing (which is quite noticeable in some of the final sequences of ESB). The DVNR smearing does cause some residual outlining at times when strong; this is inherent to GOUT sourced projects. However, I never downloaded the V3, so I'm at a loss to explain why it wouldn't be present there. Note that while testing these scene, I did turn my sharpness up and down, but they were still somewhat visible. I'll check my GOUT DVD later to see if I can observe any of these.

I was out of town for a week, so I was unable to really have a good look at the blu discs until last nite. They look great, and I love the menus (and the music choices for the menus!) The multiple soundtracks are fantastic.

I did notice something odd in ESB, however, and it may or may not be something d_j will want to address if he decides to upload them at some point. Anybody who has the blu discs, please have a look and tell me if you see the same thing.....

The first thing I noticed in ESB was that it almost looks like there's a white drop shadow around the yellow letters in the scroll. The rest of the film seems fine, until the medical frigate scene. Check out Luke's face- the color of his skin bleeds off the edges of his face. It almost looks like a color newspaper pic that has one color out of registration. There's also some odd bluish outlining to the closeup of his hand, the side of Leia's face, and the collar of Lando's shirt. I checked V3 and I don't see the same anomalies there, so it must have been something that was introduced afterwards. I also noticed the same sort of 'outlining' on the faces of Imperial officers in a previous scene where Vader is talking to them on the star destroyer (the scene where they're standing near the window), but it's not quite as obvious there.

Again- have a look and tell me if you see it too. It's not a big deal- I just thought d_j might want to have a look at it if he wants to do anything with it in the future. It is odd that it doesn't *seem* to affect the rest of the film, but I may have missed it if it does.

Is there a Safari 4.0 now? I had no idea. ;-)

I'm a fan of DSII- I never found fault with it. It's a classic literary device to have situations from act I repeated in act III- this happens throughout ROTJ, not just with DSII but in many other instances:

1. Returning to Tatooine
2. Luke/Leia swing across scenes
3. Luke twin suns/funeral pyre scenes

There are others, I just can't think of any more off the top of my head.

Trailer for Mark Hamill's new film, "Sushi Girl":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FcykHxBiUqs

I don't know if all the Biggs scenes will be included (it seems likely they will), but personally, I think they made the right choice cutting those. I am, however, interested in a cut of ROTJ that includes the lightsaber construction scene (John Williams also composed music for that scene, which could be easily added), and the extended Endor/bunker scene would be great to see integrated into the film, and maybe also the sandstorm scene (though, the scene of Luke in the cockpit that replaced that scene was probably also a wise decision).

The HARMdinger Glitch? ;-)

Jay said:

Mielr said:

Right side of screen in PMs (which includes the select buttons, and "delete selection" button) still cut off in Safari. :-/

Again, what version of Safari? I just checked and they look fine to me.

The extended Endor bunker scene looks interesting, too - but worth the price of buying the entire boxed set?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUVosalrms

I bought the three soundtrack LPs in the 1980's, four if you count the Utah Symphony "Trilogy" LP which was the only place to get the full "Jabba The Hutt" theme and "Darth Vader's Death" so those are what I listened to for many years, until the Anthology CD set came out. I was disappointed with all the missing music from the LPs, so I was thrilled with the Anthology, which filled in most of the missing music.

I also purchased the Skywalker Symphony CD in the '90s, but I ended up selling it because I was very disappointed with the recordings.

The RCA SE soundtracks filled in even more missing music, but of course the ROTJ sdtk lacks "Lapti Nek" and "Ewok Celebration." So, I still listen to the anthology for those tracks, and a couple other alternate tracks that didn't make it onto the SE CDs.

With classical-type music, I prefer the silent background of the CDs, in spite of whatever sonic limitations they have, so I still prefer them to the LPs.

For SW and ESB I generally listen to the SE soundtracks because they are the most complete. For ROTJ, I've made my own CDs combining mostly the SE tracks with the OOT Anthology tracks to fill-in, and the "Jabba" track from the Utah Symphony Star Wars Trilogy CD (on the Varese Sarabande label).

Overall, my favorite score is ROTJ, my favorite track from it is "Luke and Leia."

I would also vote for the original shot of Jabba with smoke added, if it's a choice between that and the non-original shot of Chewie. :-/

Just curious- how does the whole Lapti Nek scene look amongst the cleaner shots?

dark_jedi said:

I am getting there LOL, but every DAMN time I burn what I hope is the final BD, I find more SHIT frames(and then another fucking disc into the trash!) I have done well over 125 frames so far and I just found 15 more that I want to try and fix, but I already told my Wife, this IS the last batch of frames I am going to mess with, I just want to finish and get these out, either way, just what I have done so far is way better than it was, some are not fixed 100% perfectly, but at least it is way better than what it was.

Star Wars is done, and I have not seen any real bad ones in Jedi yet, I still have to watch that all the way through though, and then obviously I will have to watch Empire all the way through again to.

My goal is to have ALL 3 BD's done by the end of this weekend so I can start shipping these out.

That's some interesting info- thanks for posting.

Lando Lakes said:

Harmy said:

No, it will stay the way it is here. It's a reverse shot of Chewie from later in the scene. I always said I was gonna have to do that in order to remove the stupid added shot of Boba Fett flirting with the SE dancers. I did it exactly like this in the PDE and I think it works really well. In the ROTJ DVD Reconstruction I decided to use the GOUT shot and it stands out like a sore thumb even at DVD resolution, because that particular shot looks like crap in the GOUT. I experimented with only using Jabba from GOUT for the missing part but the quality difference is so huge that it just wouldn't work.

 

Aww...Too bad. Let me respectfully disagree.

Right side of screen in PMs (which includes the select buttons, and "delete selection" button) still cut off in Safari. :-/

I missed this vintage Hamill/Ford interview somehow- their response when asked if they are friends off-set is PRICELESS! :-) A must-watch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heD9tcqXNV4

I've noticed the description too, and I think it's a GOOD thing.

People should know they are NOT watching the original versions of the films. It infuriates me when they try to pass off Star Wars '97 as Star Wars '77.

AFI did some sort of a film festival a few years back, and they were showing a print of SW (1997, of course since GL was also scheduled to speak at the event) but it was listed in the online program as "1977". I sent them an email (as did several other people here, I think) and they ended up changing the listing, by removing "1977" as the year of release.

I decided to tempt fate and restore the commenting functions. I updated the captions and descriptions to mention that the original versions won't be on blu-ray, and to thank the OT.com preservationists for their hard work.

If you guys want to drop in once and a while and help me slap down some of the morons, I'd appreciate it. :-)

My YouTube channel is also "mielr", btw.