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#117289
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How to convert AVI to DVD files?
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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
The audio remained in sync


How did it do that? Did the audio sound lower on the NTSC one (in which case I'd be surprised if it was still AC3), or does it cut out some frames to keep it in sync?

DE
It remains as 5.1 448 kbps AC3 when converting to NTSC. The framerate is changed to 29.97 FPS NTSC (rather than 23.976 FPS flagged to 29.97 FPS) and the audio was obviously adjusted to match, which I don't know the exact process that it used, but it likely did something similar to BeSweet's PAL ---> NTSC audio conversion, which works perfectly.

I've seen ever better tricks, in terms of weird audio/video conversions and maintaining sync. NeroVision Express can take the MPEG-1 file from a PAL SVCD and convert it automatically to an NTSC DVD without losing sync or anything noticeably wrong with it. So that is changing the video framerate from PAL to NTSC and changing the audio, not only to make it match an NTSC video stream, but upping the frequency from 44.1 kHz to 48 kHz as well. DVD-lab can do the same thing though it guides you through a series of steps and the results are a bit erratic in terms of audio sync, but acceptable I guess. Nero does it better, perfectly even; the only advantage of DVD-lab for such a project (SVCD to DVD) is that it doesn't insist on re-encoding the video like Nero always does; since SVCD is roughly DVD compliant in the first place.

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#116926
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How to convert AVI to DVD files?
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Originally posted by: eliasbboy
I've used this program forever, but I never see anybody else mention it. It's free, for now, so grab it quick. All you do is choose the avi or divx file, tell it the output location, and in about an hour you have a VIDEO_TS folder ready for burning without any visible quality drop that I have ever noticed. I have a 52" DLP HD and I have no complaints on the quality whatsoever.

Once you have your VIDEO_TS foled, burn it to dvd, and add any DVD-ROM content you'd like.

Here's the link:

Direct Download

Detailed program Info

I have never heard of that program before so I tried it out, as I am always game for basic freeware that can do stuff that normally costs money. A lot of the time, the freeware becomes my preferred software for certain applications, even if expensive stuff is available (IrfanView, Media Player Classic, and VirtualDub come to mind).

I've done a few short tests with this DivxToDVD program and I am very impressed. I cut out a 1 minute clip from a good quality PAL 700MBx2 2.38:1 (608x256) XviD AVI with AC3 audio to try it out. I left the settings at default (automatic) and the results were amazing, as good as can be done manually with demuxing + MPEG encoder + DVD authoring software. The results were better IMO, than with that other one-click-wonder that isn't free, namely NeroVision Express 3.

By default it kept the 5.1 448 kbps AC3 stream intact without touching it (a nice touch that NeroVision Express refuses to do; only offering the option of 2 channel 192 kbps AC3 encoding, and only if you start with something other than AC3, such as MP3 or WAV), kept the PAL frame rate and gave it an overall PAL aspect ratio, and made it anamorphic (16:9) and had excellent picture quality. I specifically wanted to test it with a PAL AVI so I could try its "force NTSC" function. This worked perfectly as well. The audio remained in sync and the picture quality was great with a smooth frame rate. I also tried the "force 4:3" function which also worked perfectly, giving me a 4:3 letterboxed DVD.

On top of that, when you open a file in this program, it automatically gives you a lot of detailed information about the file, along the lines of GSpot or VirtualDub's "file information" function.

Here are some [lossy JPEG] screenshots:

Original AVI:

http://maxim.skyphix.com/avi.jpg

Anamorphic DVD conversion at default settings:

http://maxim.skyphix.com/anamorphic.jpg

Resized to 16:9 (1.78:1) as viewed in a DVD player:

http://maxim.skyphix.com/anamorphic_resized.jpg

I haven't done a full test on a full length movie but so far, I like this program a lot. Thanks for the link.

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#116735
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How to convert AVI to DVD files?
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Why do I need an mpeg encoder?

When I converted the AVI to DVD files, it made an mpeg too.
What did you use to convert the AVI to "DVD files"? You need an MPEG encoder if you use "AVI2DVD" as mentioned by Doctor M, because that program does not have its own, apparently (judging from what Doctor M said; I have never used it before).
My DVD player also plays mpegs...so I'm a little confused.
Haven't tried playing the film on the dvd player yet though, so it probably won't work.

If you have an MPEG now, all you need to do is author the DVD in order to burn a DVD that will play in a regular DVD player. The only way a simple MPG file burned to a DVD in regular "data disc" mode will play in a DVD player is if it is a special one with a built in file browser, usually advertised as being able to play DivX files. All ordinary DVD players can play MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 files, but the discs have to be in a specific format. This is what the DVD authoring software is for; to take the MPEG-1/2 file and wrap it in a VOB container and create the IFO files all within a VIDEO_TS folder; the IFO files being the instructions that the DVD player reads so it knows what to do with itself.

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#116724
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<strong>The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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I agree with your analysis of "sounds good" and "continuity" when applied to companies and brands. However, I feel this is a different situation. Cowclops is not a real brand or a company. He's an individual, and as such surely has the expectation that his name be attached to his work if he so chooses. I don't discount the contribution TR47 has made to promulgating the original transfer Cowclops did, but if I were Cowclops and now came up with a better transfer and asked that my name be attached, I'd be quite insulted that somebody was arguing to keep my name off simply because some other name "sounds good" and "maintains continuity." I still feel that in this context, those are weak and lazy reasons.
I am not arguing to keep Cowclops' name off. I am arguing against keeping TR47's name off. I could have been more clear in my initial post but from the tone of what I was replying to, it sounded like the association with the name TR47 was to be completely erased. Something like "Cowclops/TR47 v2" or whatever would be fine. It will help ensure that people understand what exactly this set is (not everyone looking for the O-OT reads this forum); after all, there is no transfer that is known by the name of "Cowclops [v1]". On top of that; objectively speaking; this second set is a collaboration between Cowclops and TR47.
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#116601
Topic
How to convert AVI to DVD files?
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The easiest way (not necessarily the highest quality way) is to drop the AVI into Nero Vision Express. Nero is not free however. A higher quality but more time consuming and complicated method of doing it is to use VirtualDub[Mod] (free) to demux the AVI to an AVI video stream and a WAV audio stream; TMPGenc (free) to re-encode the AVI to a DVD compliant MPEG-2 video stream and (optionally) BeSweet (free) to turn the audio into AC3 if you want to save space over the WAV/LPCM (some AVI's already have an AC3 stream). Then you can use a DVD authoring program such as Muxman (free) or DVD Author [GUI] (free) to make the DVD, i.e. the VOB's and IFO's contained in a VIDEO_TS folder. Then you burn with your choice of DVD burning software, which can also be done for free; for example, use DVD-Shrink (free) to make an ISO of your DVD files and DVD Decrypter (free) to burn the ISO (that is my preferred method of burning all DVD files, even though I have Nero).
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#116592
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<strong>The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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Actually, MaximRecoil, my analogies (such as they are) do exactly what I hope they will do. In this case, they riled you up enough to actually provide good reasons to keep 'TR47' associated with the project. Well done! I don't get "riled up" on forums, lol. This is just debate. The forum that I most regularly post at is "The Soapbox" on IMDb.com, which is specifically set aside for arguments and debates. Anyway, if someone replies to me with a false analogy or any other logical fallacy, it becomes a debate/argument; since argumentative analogies (their validity notwithstanding) demand it.
I didn't actually ever mis-read your nick.
I realize that; which is why I replied to that in the context of your analogy; i.e. "In your analogy, the error lies solely with you..."
My point was that your original reasons for hanging onto 'TR47' for a name were pretty weak and lazy. "It sounds good"? You sure didn't like it when I thought 'MaximumRecoil' "sounded good." "People are used to the name"? Also weak as hell. You didn't like me wanting to hang onto 'MaximumRecoil' just because that's what I was "used to".
First of all, I could not care less if anyone misreads my user name. If it became a common enough of an occurance, I would begin to wonder about the education system these days I suppose...

Anyway, "sounds good" and "continuity" are perfectly valid reasons to retain the name; and it would hardly be setting any precedents. Just imagine a new company when choosing their name (or a company choosing the name of a new product). Believe me, "sounds good" is often a priority. Imagine an existing company or product which already has a well established name being sold. Often times, the new owners see the benefits of retaining the old name enough that they are willing to pay extra for the rights to it. Name recognition is a powerful thing; a thing that companies spend years and untold millions of dollars in advertising money just to obtain in the first place. If Coke or Pepsi was sold, do you think any buyer in their right mind would want to ditch the names?

Anyway, my original post on this thread was simply my opinion and to me, a name with a good ring to it and continuity are important, especially when the goal is to get the preserved movies into as many hands as possible. When challenged on this point, I also provided some more objective reasons for the inclusion of the "TR47" name which I didn't feel was necessary initially; as most of them were farmed from direct quotes from this very thread.
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#116521
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<strong>The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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Originally posted by: Karyudo
Originally posted by: MaximumRecoil
I think they should retain the "TR47" name because for one, it sounds good, and secondly, for the sake of continuity.

The first time I read your nick, I thought it was MaximumRecoil. I think everybody should call you MaximumRecoil, because for one it sounds good, and secondly, for the sake of continuity. I got it wrong the first time, but it's too difficult to get it right now because I'm lazy and don't want to make the effort to change.
You aren't particularly good with analogies. My suggestion is that you stop using them. This is the second or third of your invalid analogies that I have seen so far.

Now, I will explain what is wrong with your analogy. Where does the error lie? In your analogy, the error lies solely with you, possibly because of poor reading skills or dyslexia. In such a case, possibly there would be a few others who share your disability, but in general, literate people would not make the error. The name is spelled out and by default, "Maximum" does not = "Maxim" and that can be objectively established.

In the case of TR47, there was no reading error. "TR47" = "TR47". They were called that on purpose for a legitimate reason; after the person who distributed them; because the person who did the transfer was not known. TR47 never claimed to have done the transfer, so anyone assuming that he had done the transfer was doing just that; assuming. In fact, when the TR47 set was becoming openly known to this forum, just as the ban on discussing bootlegs of the OT was being lifted, he specifically mentioned the "creator of the set" as being someone other than himself. That was over a year ago:
TR47
I am ready for the trials!

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Joined: Nov 2003
Fri March 12, 2004 1:50 PM

Yes, that's a good description of what it is. To be honest I'm not terribly knowledgeable about it, I am only going off of the info I was given by the creator of the set I have. He may have said as much earlier than that, judging from the way that no one seemed too shocked at the "revelation" after that particular post.

Also, Cowclops himself has indicated in a post that he has no problems with the name "TR47" being associated with the set; in fact, he suggested as much:
Cowclops
Padawan Learner

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Wed March 16, 2005 12:08 PM

Just as long as it doesn't use "CC." I hate it when people call me CC because "Cowclops" is all one word.

How about you call the original set the TR47 set for consistency reasons and the second set "The Cowclops Set" and somewhere on the case put *Sponsered by TR47*.


And it is not as if "TR47" deserves no credit:
Cowclops
Padawan Learner

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Wed February 23, 2005 11:02 PM

I'm the guy that made BOTH versions. TR47 is just the one who sold a crapload of my first set. He was in fact one of the last people on ebay to buy it from me, so ironically the old set will probably be continued to be called the "TR47" set but he only has anything to do with the newer set. He bought a CLD-97 so I could re capture it with much better picture quality.

And:
TR47
I am ready for the trials!

Posts: 252
Joined: Nov 2003
Thu February 24, 2005 5:04 PM

Cowclops and I agreed that this version would still be called the "TR47" version, not because I made it, but because that is how people have come to know it. It was the best transfer I was able to find and I championed it to help ensure the true versions remain alive in the best possible quality. I engineered a rerelease to fix the flaws and spiff up the set some with menus, a commentary track and better audio/video quality. At this point I am no longer worried about being given credit for doing anything other than getting this version into people's hands. I made it abundantly clear in the past that I did not create this version, but most people still assume I did. I hope this clears this topic up once and for all. Please direct any technical questions directly to Cowclops; I will chime in when a response is warranted. Screen shots should be posted shortly-I will let Cowclops handle that as he has the equipment and software to do so far better than I can.


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#116490
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<strong>The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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Originally posted by: Rikter
Originally posted by: spyder
WooHoo! Can't wait to see the new and improved TR47 set


It's the Cowclops V.2 set NOT the tr47 - he JUST distributes them so his name should be NO where near them.

I made the mistake of naming the first Cowclops set "TR47" as I was under the impression that HE created them as it was him selling them all over the internet and on auctions.

BUT the truth is they are the Cowclops sets and we ALL should give MASTER COWCLOPS all the credit not the guy who sells them.

I think they should retain the "TR47" name because for one, it sounds good, and secondly, for the sake of continuity. People who don't know the story just see "TR47" as an identifier, not necessarily a person. People who know the story already, well; know the story; i.e. they know that Cowclops did the transfer.

Either way, time will tell. People are going to call them what they will call them, regardless of what is "official". Everyone in my town still calls our video store "SeeZee's" (or "Sleazy's") even though it ceased to be "SeeZee Video" when it was sold in '89 and became "Premier Home Video". Why is that? We were used to the name and we liked the name.

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#116282
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<strong>The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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Originally posted by: Cowclops
Its the nature of the disc. Alderaan blowing up is right at a side switch, and they didn't do that great of a job in their own cut, so thats basically what it ended up as.


I may fix it for my copy. I have found a couple of programs that can make cuts on any frame, not just I-frames or key frames. When they save the edit, they bit-for-bit copy everything aside from the edit point, where they re-encode a couple of frames before and after the cut in order to make it work. Without programs like this, the only way to delete that single frame would be to re-encode the whole thing. The two programs I have found that can do this are VideoReDo and TMPGenc MPEG Editor with "Smart Rendering" (which is their official name of the function that I descibed above). That is how I perfectly cut out the 4 second black space in ESB without leaving any black frames or losing any good frames.

I am keeping a copy of the original "TR47" set too, errors and all. It may sound odd, but I see the original "TR47" set as a genuine piece of Star Wars history with an interesting backstory. It set the standard for quite some time and, what is used for comparison screenshots for the elaborate "X0 Project"? The TR47 of course. Plus, the name "TR47" sounds cool, like something out of Star Wars itself.
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#116278
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<strong>The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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Originally posted by: TR47
Interesting... I never really consciously noticed that until you pointed it out, but I always felt the transition was a little odd. I suppose once 2.0 is released everyone will nitpick it also.

For some reason it jumped out at me during my first viewing. I said out loud, "What in the hell was that? Was that an interlaced frame?" Then I paused it and went back frame by frame. My friend watching it with me didn't see a thing; well, not until I paused on the frame of course.

It could just be the way different people see things, whether they notice or not. It also could be that I spent quite a while recently working on a similar problem on a different video and interlacing oddities are burned into my brain, lol.

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#116272
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<strong>The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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Error #1

At 50m31s - the picture does go black for around 4 seconds BEFORE the welding scene appears - THIS was caused by a Laserdisc Side Flip!

Quirk #1


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Originally posted by: TR47
- I have watched my originals more than once and the only errors present are the 3 second gap and one very brief part in ROTJ in which a speeder bike explodes, the bitrate jumps over 10 MBPS (which may cause a stutter in some players)
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There is another error that I noticed when watching ANH last night. At the scene transition between Alderan exploding, and Luke practicing his lightsaber against the remote; there is a frame that got encoded as an interlaced composite of the previous half frame (showing the end of the explosion) and the next half frame (showing Luke with his lightsaber):

http://maxim.skyphix.com/il.jpg
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#115769
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Burning the TR47
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Hard drives go by the equation that 1MB=1024 bytes

DVDs go by the equation that 1MB=1000=bytes.

This is why hard drives have less space than is advertised on the box they come in.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Hard drives also go by the 1000 instead of 1024 thing, which is why "hard drives have less space than is advertised on the box they come in". Your conclusion (though it is correct) doesn't follow from your statement. If "hard drives go by the equation that 1MB=1024 bytes", then hard drives would have the same space as is advertised on the box they come in. But, they don't do that, they consider 1000 bytes to = 1 KB, just like the DVD folks do.

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#115768
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Burning the TR47
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Originally posted by: Mavimao
Is there a DVD-ROM folder that can be deleted?

If not...um...try a different program?

Keep in mind that even though a DVD advertises that it can hold 4.7 gigs, in reality it can only hold about 4.24. Some mathematical issue, I can't recall off the top of my head.

No, the DVD-ROM folder is not there. It is just title 1. About trying different software, I know that it will burn, regardless of what I use and regardless of whether it warns me not to. I just don't want to strain the burn/read mechanism, as can happen with "overburns". What I find strange is that DVD-Shrink decides that 4,463 MB is the maximum for a SL disc (not just this one but always) and Nero thinks that 4,483 is fine for a maximum SL burn.

About the 4.7 GB thing, that is just the hard drive and other media manufacturers doing the "1,000 MB = 1 GB" trick; when in reality, 1024 MB = 1 GB. So a DVDr will hold 4,700,000,000 Bytes; which if you go by the 1000 instead of 1024 game, would be 4,700,000 KB; 4,700 MB; and 4.7 GB. In reality this should be 4,700,000,000 Bytes; 4,589,843.75 KB; 4,482.27 MB (pretty close to Nero's cutoff of 4,483 MB, huh?); and 4.38 GB.

I'm guessing it will be fine since I'm sure many people have burned this exact file-set; I just wanted to make sure.

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#115760
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Burning the TR47
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ANH = 4,436 MB
ESB = 4,469 MB
ROTJ = 4,463 MB

These are the numbers that you get when you open each DVD in DVD-Shrink and select just "title 1". ANH fits a single layer DVDr fine as-is, with room to spare. ESB also fits, coincidentally being the exact size that DVD-Shrink sets as a limit for single layer DVDr's (4,463 MB). ESB is 6 MB too big as far as DVD-Shrink is concerned and wants to levy a 99.8% compression on it. TMPGenc DVD Author also believes that ESB is too large for a SL DVDr. Nero doesn't seem to have any problems with ESB's size, as it sets the limit for SL burning at 4,483 MB for some reason (20 MB higher than DVD-Shrink's limit).

What are you folks' opinions? Is 4,469 MB fine to burn on a SL DVDr? I know I can cut a few frames off the end credits, or let DVD-Shrink apply its compression, but I really didn't want to alter the files (beyond fixing the 4 second black screen which I have already done). I also don't want to force my DVD drive past its boundaries both during burning and full playback, which happens with too much of an "overburn".
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#115832
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ROTS without timestamp?
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If someone had a DVD rip, why did they [only] make a 640x288 XviD out of it? You would have thought they would have posted the entire DVD as a torrent somewhere [as well]. The 3 disc PAL SVCD with the Russian opening crawl that is floating around is much better quality than any 700x2 XviD. Also, what is up with 640x288? 640x272 is correct for a 2.35:1 movie. It is good that it has AC3 audio though which usually means it was left untouched from the DVD (the 192 kbs stereo stream in this case). The same can't be said for the SVCD's of course.
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#114342
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Info: Fixing the ESB TR47 4 second black screen
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Originally posted by: Darth Mallwalker
Soon we'll need a sticky index thread to list all the other threads covering this topic:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=2495
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=2326
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=1307


Seriously though, the third link might help to jog RowMan's memory (scroll down to October 03)
This is interesting; from that third link:
Yeah, I got it down to 1 frame, it's still there, BUT is only as bad as a layer change now, which I can live with. I extracted the whole thing as an MPEG2, then edited it in TMPEGDVD. As it has been noted, unfortunetly you WILL NOT be able to get any closer than 1 frame unless you have access to the original, uncompressed footage, OR go back and recapture the whole movie from LD again. You can cut out exactly on the shot change, but cutting back in gives you the last frame of the gap. Whoever did the encoding (TR47 admits it's not his work, he's just selling them), ended up with that last black frame being an I or P or B frame (I can never remember which is which ), so for the file to work as an MPEG2, it HAS to remain. On the whole, I'd definetly say it was worth the little time it took to fix.

Judging from that (I haven't read all the threads yet), does this mean I am the first one here to come up with a perfect edit of the original ESB TR47 disc? What with all the new stuff out there and "X0" on the horizon, I guess I am a dollar short and a day late though, lol.

Technically he is right about what he says there, but he is not taking into account software that can work around the problem by combining a small amount of re-encoding with copying. If you watch the dialog box as VideoReDo is saving the file, it is saving it in two parts, part 1 = the beginning of the movie up until the point that you started the cut and part 2 = from the point that the cut ended through to the end of the movie. Anyway, as you watch, it says "fast frame copy part 1" or something like that and then for like a second, it changes its dialog to say "encoding" and then it goes to saying "fast frame copy part 2" (it only takes about 10 minutes to save the entire 4.36 GB file on my machine). Apparently it has to re-encode right at the point that it is joining "part 1" and "part 2" together, probably to put an I-frame in the right location. This bit of a workaround that is built into the program allows you to make a cut on any frame and still leave the vast majority of the video stream untouched when you save it. It seems like a fairly unique procedure to me, as everything else seems to mandate that you make edits only on I-frames or else it wants to re-encode the entire thing. With this, only a frame or two gets re-encoded (just a guess judging from the very short time that the dialog says "encoding") and the rest is a bit-for-bit copy.

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#114306
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Don't get technical with me...
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Originally posted by: Darth Mallwalker
I too am a firm believer in bit-setting to DVD-ROM, and I've read many good comments about RICOHJPN/R01's.

I'm about halfway through a spindle of them I picked up at BestBuy wearing a FujiFilm 4x label,
but these days FujiFilm at my local BestBuy are 8x YUDEN000/T02 media.
I once ordered a spindle of RiData from an online dealer whose website claimed they were RICOHJPN/R01
but when they arrived they were RITEK/R03.

MaximRecoil, where do you buy your RICOHJPN/R01's ?
I got some as a spool of 100 from NewEgg.com some time around last November. They were like these. One of the customer reviews states that those are RICOHJPNR01's and another review states that they are Ritek R03's. It is always a hit or miss of course.

This site guarantees the media code:
Products in DVD+R 4X
DVD+R 4X RIDATA SILVER MATTE (RICOHJPN01 CODE)

10 in stock. Rated the best quality media available on many forums, these RICOHJPN coded Ritek Ridata disks are silver matte and come in 50 pc spindles

Well, there were 10 in stock, but I just bought them; so it says "temporarily out of stock" right now. They are getting harder to find because they are officially 4x media and everything is going to 8x and 16x these days. The funny thing is, most people have better results burning the 4x RICOHJPNR01's at 8x than they do burning the official 8x RICOHJPNR02's at 8x.
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#114190
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Info: Fixing the ESB TR47 4 second black screen
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I tried this with TMPGenc DVD Author 1.6.26.73. The most accurate I can get with it still leaves one black frame there. It only lets you set start or stop points on I-frames, and while the proper place to set the start point (the first black frame) happens to be an I-frame, the place where you need to set the end point of the cut is not an I-frame and it won't let you set the edit point there.

Now, if this program deletes everything in the selection up to, and including the end point frame, then you would have to set the end point of the cut at frame number 91066 (00:50:38;16) for it to be an accurate edit resulting in no black frames during that scene transition and no lost frames that are supposed to be there. The closest I-frame where you are actually allowed to set the end frame of the cut is one frame back at 91065 (00:50:38;15). This leaves one black frame between the scene transition.

The way I did the edit, as described in my initial post, used an editor that could cut on any frame, not just I-frames, which resulted in a perfect edit with no black frames in the scene transition.

Now, MeBeJedi says that the Rowman edit is off by one black frame. This is consistent with what I got from trying it with TMPGenc DVD Author. Rowman claims that his edit left behind no black frames. What am I missing here?
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#114138
Topic
Don't get technical with me...
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
The cheapest price I've found is $5 bucks apiece.

"Most common was reports of people getting a noticeable pause during playback on the layer break, rather than the seamless playback of factory pressed DL DVD's."

This is also a function of the player. My old Toshiba does this on all commercial DVDs.

It would probably just be a matter of the DVD player manufacturers optimizing their firmware to work seamlessly with DL DVDr's; or maybe it isn't even a problem still. It has been quite a while since I read anything about it. People seemed to be getting the best results (in regard to backing up commercial DL DVD's onto DL DVDr's) by creating an ISO with DVD Decrypter and then using DVD Decrypter to burn from the MD5 file. Of course, more variables are introduced when you author your own DVD, such as how the authoring software sets the layer break and how the burning software implements it (Nero for example has a unique way of doing this I believe); as well as the everpresent variable of the media and burner and burn routine coded in the burner's firmware for specific media.

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#114118
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Don't get technical with me...
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
My NEC 3250A does bitsetting, but I wanted that moreso for DL media (which I still haven't tried yet. Too many damn projects to get through. )

Yeah, I haven't tried DL media yet either, though I have been wanting to. Is the media still ridiculously expensive? I haven't checked in a while but I think it was like $10 a disc when they first came out late last year. I remember reading a lot of mixed results from people who did try them. Most common was reports of people getting a noticeable pause during playback on the layer break, rather than the seamless playback of factory pressed DL DVD's. Speaking of which, I hope that the X0 project is done on DL media. If it were downloaded by someone who didn't have a DL burner and/or DL media, it would be a simple matter to run it through a transcoder such as DVD-Shrink. As far as through-the-mail distribution goes, it would be best (cheapest) to just burn the IFO and VOB files onto 2 inexpensive DVDr's as data discs and let the recipient do what they will with them, i.e. either make a single full quality DL DVDr from the files or run them through DVD-Shrink to make a single layer DVDr (and most likely save the 2 data discs for when DL media is cheaper).

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Don't get technical with me...
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
True, but that's not the kind of player I have in mind when mastering my DVDs, nor would those be considered "proper DVDs".
Indeed.
I always aim for the highest compatibility possible. For instance, I only -R media. "-R media" tends to be more compatible with stand-alone DVD players but with bitsetting (to DVD-ROM), +R media can be more compatible, even the most compatible. As far as the quality of the burn goes, I haven't seen many burns that are better than RICOHJPNR01 DVD+R's burned with my Liteon 812s@832s; which is why I stick with +R; i.e. because the famous RICOHJPNR01's are +R media and with bitsetting to DVD-ROM (the DVD player will "see" the media as a DVD-ROM, rather than a +R); they tend to be the most compatible. Of course, bitsetting to DVD-ROM only works with +R media; -R media will always be "seen" as -R media by the player:

http://maxim.skyphix.com/ricohjpnr01.PNG

The burns I get with that media and burner combination are unbelievably good, far better than a typical factory pressed DVD in regard to the PI and PO errors. When I posted that scan on the Club CD Freaks forum some time ago before I knew how to interpret it, these were some of the comments:

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General rule:
PI should not exceed 280 errors max.
PO should not exceed 4 errors max.

So your scan is a very nice one. More information on interpreting these scans can be found in our Media Forum and in Interpreting PI/PO error scans. Welcome to the forums MaximRecoil.
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What do those mean exactly? 280 errors max per what?
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Per sample and both your PI max of 9 and average of .52 are extraordinarily low.
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Don't get technical with me...
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Unlike music CDs, you can't just drag-&-drop any file onto the disc and have it play in a DVD player.
That depends on the DVD player. The ones that are advertised as being able to play DivX files will generally play most anything. My brother got a cheap one at Wal-Mart (like this one) that plays most anything such as WMV, MPG, and DivX or XviD AVI's. It has a built in file browser so all you do is drop the files on a DVD or CD in ordinary "data disc" format. Of course, it also plays proper DVD's as well.
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#113964
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.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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Originally posted by: Karyudo
Some films for the X0 Project to tackle next:

The Oh Effect
Mile Oh
Ground Oh
Oh to Sixty
Absolute Oh
Below Oh
Oh Hour
Oh to Hero
Oh Tolerance
The Producers (which stars Oh Mostel, of course)


You have listed titles in which "0" is actually spelled out "zero", you know, leaving no doubt about how it should be stated. In which case, you have missed the point completely.

You see, the project is not written as "X Zero"; it is written as "X0". In a similar manner, my old phone number was not written on paper as 695 Zero, it was written as 6950 and was commonly spoken as six, nine, five, oh. Good luck with your venture to overturn hundreds of years worth of common-speak, lol.

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.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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I think and say "ex oh" while I type "X0". "Ex oh" has a better ring to it. Seeing a "zero" and saying "oh" has a long history. Say this phone number to yourself - 6950. Most people tend to say "six, nine, five, oh". In fact, if you call 411 directory assistance and get a number, when the recording reads it off to you, it will state any zero as "oh".

Also, consider terms such as "00 Buck" and "30-06". Those are stated as "Double-oh Buck" and "Thirty-oh Six" or "Double-ought Buck" and Thirty-ought Six" ("ought" is the obsolete past participle of "owe" which is a homonym for "oh" as in "O").

Also, keep in mind that "zero" ends with the sound "oh" so "X0" could properly be written as "X 'o" which of course would be said as "Ex oh".

"She's real fine, my four oh...er...four zero nine..." LOL
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#113889
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Info: Fixing the ESB TR47 4 second black screen
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Originally posted by: RowMan
Originally posted by: MaximRecoil
That sounds good. I'll have to get ahold of that program and try it out. In what manner can you load the DVD into it? Do you have to join the VOB's first? Also, did you check the audio at the edit point?...


TMPGEnc DVD Author has a feature to "add DVD video." I just loaded the original TR47 version into it from the disc and it transferred the entire contents to the hard drive as an mpg2 file and also kept the chapter points. I have never noticed any audio sync issues with the original or the "re-edit" and I have watched them quite a few times.
I will definitely give it a try. I have never used TMPGEnc DVD Author but it sounds like a really nice program.