Marcos_Edson

Monroville said:

Let's put this into context: what would soldiers in WW2 do after a german tank is successfully taken out from say a planted mine from a soldier crawling underneath?  Get out of their foxholes and expose themselves to the other tanks, or cheer, keep their cover, and then start arming themselves with grenades and planning on repeating the same successful tactic?

I see your point but it seems logic is not supposed to work here... :)

E.g. it seems pretty obvious to me that the best approach against the walkers in Hoth would be not attack them directly but blast the ground on their path to break their balance; and while the rebel shield could repel any bombardment, they still had to open it to allow the transports and scouts to free; if the imperials kept shooting at the shield just enough to prevent it from being open, the rebels would be trapped by their own protection, similar to what happen in Coruscant in one of the Thrawn books... :)

With a large part of the Death Star II still to build, with large portions exposed, I can´t see why making a ship clash on it to open a hole to fly through, that would be the worst place to find relatively safe route to the core... :)

And Lando sacrificing himself (and the rest of the crew and the Falcon)... If proton torpedoes, concussion missiles or whatever warheads they have couldn´t destroy the power generator, I can´t see kamikazing the Falcon doing any better unless yuo don´t mind deus ex machina solutions... :P

I don´t think it´s crazy... :) Stuff like this can be very good or very awful pretty much based on how it´s delivered, I think I would never give the Special Edition too much thought if it was not for some scenes that had only a few seconds or even frames on screen but are enough to make us cringe in horror...

On your idea, I once imagined a scene like that but at the end of ANH, it was prompted by some discussion here on the forums which I think involved the reaction of the Emperor to the destruction of the first Death Star.

I was actually inspired by a post-credits cutscene of Rebel Assault II, this scene would enter just before the Throne Room ceremony and would show Vader, still on his fighter, reporting the Death Star destruction to the Emperor who would dismiss that as a "little setback". Then, after a short external view of the Imperial Palace on Coruscant, we´d see the Emperor contacting Jerjerrod and informing him about Tarkin´s demise and how he expected Jerjerrod to do better. Finally, cut to Jerjerrod as the Emperor ends his transmission and he walks towards a star destroyer window, in the distance we see Endor and the second Death Star in very early stages of construction... :)

HigHurtenflurst said:

There's not a lot about the whole battle makes any sense.  For starters, where's the air cover?  You gotta have air superiority before you send in the ground pounders....  A few Tie fighters would have knocked all those pesky speeders down in no time, and some Tie bombers could have knocked out all the turrets/ground defenses, etc...

It´s funny because in the original X-Wing game, which cutscenes were in part movie stills with some animation added, the advance of AT-ATs on a rebel base does include some Assault Gunboats providing air support (and in a moment those particular fighters have not been introduced in the game storyline yet...).

edit: oh, here it is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jssKiMqKGs

HigHurtenflurst said:

And the space blockade.  Did it actually stop anybody from escaping?  Again, where were the fighters?  Tractor beams?  Anything? What a bunch of clowns.

Well, the novel states some rebel ships were taken down...

I wonder how exactly station 38 looked like, if a small bunker built with rocks and ice, a cave or just a tent with camo patterns... :) I say that because I somehow have a problem with a droid engaged in a spy/search mission shooting at potential objectives and essentially calling undesired attention to itself unless it´s in immediate danger... I think there is another scene in the novel where the probot encounters a wampa and kills it...

Jokke_r said:

Only major problem i have with ESB is when Han suddenly decides to walk out to (as far as he know) a cave inside an asteroid in OUTER SPACE, in a vaccuum, with nothing but a breathing mask, oh and gravity on the asteroid is perfect as well. At least inside the ship they have the excuse of artificial gravity. But then again there's not much one can do to that scene.

One could argue that the asteroid is large enough to exert some gravitational pull, and therefore hold an atmosphere of sorts, albeit a thin one (hence why our heroes need to wear breathing masks).  If this were the case, then I'm sure Han could have verified this on the Falcon's instruments before venturing outside.al physical laws.

Surprisingly, the main reason why they went outside is missing, the mynoks flying around... :) Our heros (Han, at least) don´t seem to be too much surprised to see living creatures deep inside a huge asteroid in deep space, as if asteroids with some gravity, atmosphere and even an ecosystem are common place... :)

That is over kill for that circumstance.

Does not look more overkill to me than having three star destroyers trying to catch the Falcon on Hoth when it fails to jump into hyperspace and almost colliding in the process... :) Or when a little later the whole fleet, Executor included, goes after them into an asteroid field... :) :)

However, Ady could reconstruct that scene visually where the executor appears in some other fashion after she mentions it. One idea would be to have it much further back in the distance, and rapidly getting closer as the Falcon approaches.

"Rapidly getting closer" indeed! :) The thing is not big but "quite" fast! :) :)

I mean, after Leia points it and it is shown in the distance, the Falcon turns in a clear attempt to keep distance but a few moments later the Falcon is 'flying low" near the Executor´s side trench, with fighters still in pursuit; moving the Executor further back while keeping the rest of the sequence doesn´t look that good in the whole picture...

What about the annoying fact that the dubbed track never matches the character's lip movements? If that doesn't break immersion than I don't know what does.

O_o

I´ve been watching dubbed stuff for more than 35 years and lip-synching was never an issue... I can´t even remember someone even bringing that up before... :)

That said, dubbing is a nice addition, as many mentioned before; it just must be well done... Unfortunatelly, in my country, ANH and ANH:SE had the most atrocious dubbing I´ve ever seen in a movie. Aside the voice actors chosen don´t making justice to the original actors in general, two situations have horrified me the most: Han Solo, with the replaced voice and quite poor translation of the lines, looks awfully gay, specially when talking to Luke; the other moment, Obi-Wan´s memorable line "Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?" was simply wiped... instead he repeats some previous line "You must do what you feel is right, of course. She needs your help." All I could thing when I first heard that years ago was W.T.F... ESB and RotJ were a little better but I prefer to watch the movies in English at any time...

Rogue Leader said:

However, further retconning now says that the hand was found in the bowels of Cloud City by an Ugnaught AND that Bespin has no surface and is a gas giant... Idiots... 

Yeah, I remember this Marvel Star Wars story where Lando returns to Bespin to check Cloud City, in this one Bespin has a swamp surface (Dagobah leftovers?) and the imperials and the Ugnaugh tv crew (!) Lando meets use hover crafts... LOL... I guess the only cool thing in this arc was to see the TIE lander used by the Empire...

He was pretty much barbecued in the end of RotS, spent some 99% of the next 20+ years in that suit and in the end got shocked by Palpy´s visual effects... I´d say his voice is fine there as it is... :)

Never noticed the Emperor´s shuttle was so dirty... :P Given the guy surely made his way from Coruscant to Endor on a big ship (the TIE Fighter game even says it´s his personal super star destroyer...), you´d think that the shuttle used for his quick transference from the larger ship to the DSII would be sparkling clean... :)

^ lol...

Ah, the Ewok movies... I remember seeing the first in the theater (I had the firm conviction that at one point the kids say they are from Earth but whatever...). Never bothered to see the second... all the trouble so save the family then all of them but the little girl are killed? Then in recent years GL sticks "Star Wars" on the titles and kind of "canonize" them? eeeeewwwww...

God forbides but given what we see in Phantom Menace, a prequel comedy series centered on Jar Jar is more canon... *_*

You know, there are a few things about the Executor vs. DSII that bothers me... I mean, when the imperial fleet goes to a stop so the DS can fire at the rebel fleet, we can see the DS in the distance; a little later, the rebel fleet approaches the imperial one, apparently yet at the same position as previously, to attack it at point blank range; finally, when the Executor is damaged it "nose dives" on the DS´s surface... Someone already said something about angles being weird in space but hey, both fleets must have jumped to some weird locations to achieve that ending result... :D It almost makes sense to remake the scene so the Executor is destroyed by rebel fire instead of having it crashing on the DS... :D

edited: I just realized that after the shield is down, the rebel fleet might have approached the DS surface to avoid the supelaser and attack the superstructure, with the imperial fleet following... Still, the Executor "nose dive" remains odd... :D

Rogue Leader said:

When DS2's superlaser destroyed the MC80 class star cruiser "Liberty" (the first star cruise destroyed), I think the beam should go right through the ship and it's concussive energy of the hit should vape it's escorts (the frigate and the corvette that are next to it) and maybe some starfighters too. I always thought that only one ship got hit and nothing happens to the ships around it was kinda odd and it would show the crazy power of the superlaser.

I see your point and I´m not against it although I don´t think that having the beam "stopping" after hitting the Liberty looks bad; afterall, the imperials would have adjusted it for a small target... On the other hand, if we think about the estimated size of the DSII and how big those laser beams must be... having such a weapon used on a trivial target as a cruiser looks an awful waste of energy... :D

Having the Liberty´s escorts being destroyed as well makes sense; if not the DS laser itself the explosions of the Liberty alone should destroy the corvette and fighters and at least damage the frigate. Actually, back in the day, shockwave damage by nearby exploding craft was one of the few cool additions to the X-Wing Alliance game... And as a somehow related piece of trivia, if editing a mission and have the DSII fire at a Super Star Destroyer in the game, it would oddly take several shots to destroy it; but if the shot went THROUGH the SSD when firing at another target, the SSD would be destroyed immediately, in a way achieveing the effect suggested in Rogue Leader´s post... :)

Lord__Vader said:

(ADY said he'll remove Hyden and Naboo from ROTJ)

I wouldn´t mind keeping Naboo but removing the Gungan line (wesa free! or whatever) would be great... the way it is that´s the last spoken line in the saga that we hear and sounds like GL shouting us "HEY! LOOK! Jar Jar is alive and well!" :D

fishmanlee said:

Timstuff said:

 for the emperor destroying Endor, I don't really see the point. The only thing down there is a rebel strike force, so the Death Star's superlaser would be better used on taking down another Rebel cruiser.

 um lukes friends are down there! it could be used as a  either part of the original plan or a last ditch effort to turn luke to the dark side

That´s what happens on the novelization... :) It has been a long time but the dialogue goes something like...

Emperor: Commander, if the rebels manage to destroy the shield generator, turn the Death Star and destroy the forest moon.

Jerjerrod: Yes, Your Highness... but we have several troops down there.

Emperor (whispering): Destroy it!

Jerjerrod: Yes, Your Highness!

and Luke finally goes for it... :)

While it has some degree of canon based on the novel, where Palpatine orders Jerjerrod to destroy Endor if the shield falls, I don´t see it working here as it worked in ANH:R... In ANH, my impression is that when Luke´s torpedoes finally hit the DSI core, the whole thing blows in a moment, so showing the super laser about to fire still makes sense.

But in RotJ, to show the tension of the the MIllenium Falcon escape, the explosion is quite slow and Luke and the MF literally escape through the flames; the super laser would simply not be in conditions to build up and fire at all... What might work if not breaking the pace of the film (ESB:SE scape from Cloud City comes to mind... eekkk) would be first having Palpatine giving the order to destroy Endor; then later Jerjerrod giving the firing order, followed by the "commence firing ignition" sequence just before Wedge and the MF arrives at the main reactor and hit it...

A lot of effort to make it work nicely, I´d say just remove the ring when the DSII blows up; I don´t hate it but with the MF still in the scene having the ring overtaking her just looks bad...

And in a side note, while there are a lot of speculation that seems to confirm the DSII size, I find the 900 km number ludricous... :)

Not bad, Tim... :) I was wondering if the first one to make a video like this was inspired by the manga adaptation of ANH, as the artist used this very idea (show the people on the surface, the laser hiting the ground, the escalating destruction before the planet finally explodes...).

I think it's safe to assume that Tarkin would have been kept informed of the Tantive IV's movements and subsequent events, anyway.

Just out of curiosity, in the novelization when Tarkin is informed about the captured Falcon and Mos Eisley, he seems pretty much clueless and goes something like "Mos Eisley? Vader, what is this about?!" :)